Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Kyle

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<quoted text>So it is up to you to show me where the 0.5 C warming has been upgraded to a higher number. Otherwise you are just making up conspiracy theories that skeptics are manipulating data.
Done. Note that this is old news:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/levitus-2012-...

"With any luck, the paper will be published in a few months (it was) and we'll have more to say on the subject at that time (they have). In the meantime, Levitus et al. have once again reminded us that although the surface warming may have been dampened in recent years, global warming hasn't magically vanished, and that heat stored in the oceans will eventually come back to haunt us."

You've been shown to be wrong. A rational and honest person would now admit it. Can you?
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B as in B S as in S wrote:
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Yes, and that is the point... IF CO2 is the Primary Driver of CC then it would not be a secondary driver behind other drivers of CC... correct?
Not correct. There's no detectable logic involved in your conclusion.
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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CO2 is at it's highest (400 ppm, a record of sorts) yet temps are not following. Again - that is according to Hansen, Jones and Trenberth. To deny that there has been a pause in Temps when the current instrumental raw data says there has been a pause seems like an odd reversal of appeal to authority.
For a few years now CO2 (the main driver of CC) has NOT been pushing temps "ever upward", which is to say... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."
Depends on what you take the temperature of, nitwit. If you take the temperature of the entire planet, warming has accelerated in the last 15 yrs. If you ignore all but 6.6% of the Earth, you get a slower warming. Even then, all 10 of the warmest years in the last 150+ are since '98.

If you include the oceans, where 93.4% of the warming tends to go, it's clear how screwed we'll be when the Pacific oscillates the other way.

Denier scum.
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What dataset are you using. What are the decades compared too?
Which dataset has 2010 as 0.659 anomaly. The highest of the 4 datasets I have seen has 2010 at 0.56 C. We haven't even reached 2014 so what are you talking about?
Desperate much? LOL!

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Only for morons and deniers. FACT: Science says that warming has accelerated in the last 15 yrs. Only a denier or a moron would ignore the ocean heat gain - 93.4% of the total - after having surely been exposed to the error repeatedly.
The next thing to be introduced by the deniers will be "body temperature" claiming it hasn't risen either. You can at least be assured that none of these ppl will ever end up the next Steve Jobs or Einstein.

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Not correct. There's no detectable logic involved in your conclusion.
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Depends on what you take the temperature of, nitwit. If you take the temperature of the entire planet, warming has accelerated in the last 15 yrs. If you ignore all but 6.6% of the Earth, you get a slower warming. Even then, all 10 of the warmest years in the last 150+ are since '98.
If you include the oceans, where 93.4% of the warming tends to go, it's clear how screwed we'll be when the Pacific oscillates the other way.
Denier scum.
Deniers need no logic or science for that matter. Mostly a waste of time to try to have a discussion with them when they will not allow data from the experts.
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You don't even understand how ignorant your posts have been. That is really the crazy part. If I had posted all the total misunderstanding of the temperature data you posted yesterday, Fair Game would of come out of his hole and whupped my a*s. But since Fair Game is anything but fair, we will just hear crickets.
Ha, and your ignorance of the figures extends much farther back than yesterday.

No misunderstanding, Tim, temporary confusion...brain fart.

Better luck next time.
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What dataset are you using. What are the decades compared too?
Which dataset has 2010 as 0.659 anomaly. The highest of the 4 datasets I have seen has 2010 at 0.56 C. We haven't even reached 2014 so what are you talking about?
NOAA/NCDC.

I believe it's compared to the 1901-2000 record.

We haven't reached 2014? No shit, Sherlock. But we're within the 2004-2014 record, aren't we?

“Let's X Change!!”

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That you weave. The instrumental record you yammer about conveniently leaves out the oceans - the sink for 93.4% of the heat gained.
Denier scum.
prove it, putz!!
or just admit you're lying scum.

that co2 is like a slippery eel.....when you have no explanation for where it went. AND, the responsible party (co2, yeah right) keeps increasing!!

your lies and blind faith would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

grow up, son!! breathe the air.....life is good....in spite of your fear of your own shadow.

LOL

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NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT STATING THEIR POSITION ON RFS2!!!!!!!

did they not mention that in your playbook????

come on kids, you can do better!!!

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Only for morons and deniers. FACT: Science says that warming has accelerated in the last 15 yrs. Only a denier or a moron would ignore the ocean heat gain - 93.4% of the total - after having surely been exposed to the error repeatedly.
kyle, do you always let your opinions block your mind from reality and truth?

stop lying to yourself.

be a man....face the music!

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Desperate much? LOL!
are you?:-/

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The next thing to be introduced by the deniers will be "body temperature" claiming it hasn't risen either. You can at least be assured that none of these ppl will ever end up the next Steve Jobs or Einstein.
really? is that what you think? oh, you're just trying to pull some chains......emotion is your standard....not logic or science. I GET IT!!!!

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Ha, and your ignorance of the figures extends much farther back than yesterday.
No misunderstanding, Tim, temporary confusion...brain fart.
Better luck next time.
still waiting on your response about rfs2!!!!!

i can't believe you don't know what that is....and champion yourself on this thread in being "in the know"!

LOL!!!!!
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When the science of climate change sounds like it's being written by The Onion, it's time to abandon ship. So AGW has now been completely flipped. Those arguing that temperatures would rise at least 0.2 per decade due to the fact that CO2 is the main driver of temperatures and climate are now telling us that nature is going to be the main driver for another 20 years on top of the already 13 years, totally 33 years. That main driver of the climate, CO2, is just hiding out right now, just waiting to blow up in 2040. And you know that whole thing about weather is not climate, we really meant weather is climate. On all of this, we are completely clear. Oh and then after using dying polar bears in every presentation about the catastrophic effects of climate/weather change, the IPCC guy says this: In terms of impact on wildlife, the focus has been made not just on flagship species, such as the polar bear, which, as it turns out, is apparently able to adjust, more or less, this after they told us the polar bear populations were dying off.
What is really scary is caveman and the like. When caveman posted this the other day,
"Let me ask again; are you sure about these numbers? They all show warmth above the average. And, they are from HadCRUT4, NOAA NCDC, NASA GISS, and the WMO? Can you really trust these four organizations, after everything else they have SAID?"
I couldn't understand what he was babbling on and on about because I had just explained how he was wrong on that NOAA prediction. He then blamed the mix up on too much coffee, so I gave him a pass. I take that back. It then hit me, that he thinks any number over the average of the 20th century is proof we are still warming. He truly has no understanding of what the numbers mean, what to compare the numbers to, etc. He truly believes we are lying and that there has been no standstill or even slight cooling and he is going around presenting the Al Gore Dirty Weather Show. People like that are scary.
The IPCC is definitely prepared for a long period of No Warming, possibly due to a solar minimum . Fun Facts posts on here, he's studied solar for quite some time so you might watch for his posts.

As for caveman, anyone who claims they lost track of 10 years of data in one morning b......t , you fill in the blank.
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<quoted text>prove it, putz!!
or just admit you're lying scum.
that co2 is like a slippery eel.....when you have no explanation for where it went. AND, the responsible party (co2, yeah right) keeps increasing!!
your lies and blind faith would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
grow up, son!! breathe the air.....life is good....in spite of your fear of your own shadow.
LOL
With Kyle, the proof is the same post several more times with extra expletives.
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The IPCC is definitely prepared for a long period of No Warming, possibly due to a solar minimum .
Lie. They are prepared for a period of stable or lower AIR temperatures due to climate influences from rising cool water in the Pacific (ENSO, La-Nina). This is a flaw in the use of meteorology data to track AGW (global average surface temperature of which 98% is land and water).
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Done. Note that this is old news:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/levitus-2012-...
"With any luck, the paper will be published in a few months (it was) and we'll have more to say on the subject at that time (they have). In the meantime, Levitus et al. have once again reminded us that although the surface warming may have been dampened in recent years, global warming hasn't magically vanished, and that heat stored in the oceans will eventually come back to haunt us."
You've been shown to be wrong. A rational and honest person would now admit it. Can you?
Here is a news article from 2009:

World will warm faster than predicted in next five years, study warns. New estimate based on the forthcoming upturn in solar activity and El Niño southern oscillation cycles is expected to silence global warming sceptics.

The study comes within days of announcements from climatologists that the world is entering a new El Niño warm spell. This suggests that temperature rises in the next year could be even more marked than Lean and Rind's paper suggests. A particularly hot autumn and winter could add to the pressure on policy makers to reach a meaningful deal at December's climate-change negotiations in Copenhagen.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/j...

When reading the comments section to this article, a poster said this:

“Contrary to the subheading, rapid warming in the next five years certainly will not silence the sceptics-- it's hard to imagine that anything could. They'll just say that it's solar activity, as they've said all along, and El Niño, nothing to do with us, and not worth lifting a finger to do anything about it.”

Funny how it’s the alarmists that keep trying to explain the standstill.
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The IPCC is definitely prepared for a long period of No Warming, possibly due to a solar minimum ..
True. All the talk of natural variations causing the slow down or pause in temperature increases is interesting. When temps were going up, no one talked about natural variations causing it to go up. Now that temps are not going up natural variations are being considered.

Temperatures in my area are lower than in the last 25 years. We had a 73*F high one day in July, and hit a record low of 60*F. Didn't get our first 100*F day until June. Our spring was cool as compared to the last 25 years.
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Cycle 24 as compared to the last three cycles. Cycle 21 began in 1976.

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