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dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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Dear Mr. AKA Bozo,
May I respectfully suggest; that kind of (false) logic only taints the arguments in favor of the AGW Orthodoxy.
Now, if I may, some heretical realist rationale:
1)As you are aware Kristy and I have been VERY clear that we do NOT dispute that the Earth, on average, has been warming.
2)We also accept that CO2 is a GHG.
3)No where in any of our posts have either one of us invoked the musings of Rush as a source of authority.
So, by your own stated standards (Re: your post above) we are not "deniers".
So Mr. AKA Bozo, I trust you now see that we agree with you regarding these facts.(Sorry it took this long to clearly explain our position)
I am glad we had this opportunity to establish these THREE POINTS of common ground among us.
Sincerely,
koolaid
Points one and two are noted. There is warming. CO2 is a contributing factor. Burning fossil fuels releases CO2 into the atmosphere, therefore mnakind is contributing to global warming.

Perhaps your Limpballs musing are subliminal. Or do you really believe in his conspiracy theories?
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Points one and two are noted. There is warming. CO2 is a contributing factor. Burning fossil fuels releases CO2 into the atmosphere, therefore mnakind is contributing to global warming.
Perhaps your Limpballs musing are subliminal. Or do you really believe in his conspiracy theories?
There has been no warming for 15 years. No conspiracy, it's documented.
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Yeah, I know. Crazy, isn't it? Who knew there were still so many secret commies?
You don't even understand how ignorant your posts have been. That is really the crazy part. If I had posted all the total misunderstanding of the temperature data you posted yesterday, Fair Game would of come out of his hole and whupped my a*s. But since Fair Game is anything but fair, we will just hear crickets.

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There has been no warming for 15 years. No conspiracy, it's documented.
Not exactly true. Even with factoring in the 1998 El Nino that help elevate the temperature extraordinarily high, there has been a slight warming. If that data is reduced to account for the El Nino there would be a more decided outcome. However, the past decade has been the warmest since temperatures have been recorded.

However by adjusting the data to fit your conspiracy, you are able to perpetuate it.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Not exactly true. Even with factoring in the 1998 El Nino that help elevate the temperature extraordinarily high, there has been a slight warming. If that data is reduced to account for the El Nino there would be a more decided outcome. However, the past decade has been the warmest since temperatures have been recorded.
However by adjusting the data to fit your conspiracy, you are able to perpetuate it.
How did I adjust the data? I took it straight from GISS. Why do you deny the standstill when the scientists admit it? If there has been warming as you say, how come we haven't moved from the 0.5 C increase over 20th century averages since the late 90s? This past decade's temperatures were all pretty much a tie according to NASA. That's a standstill.

From NASA: Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. The two years differed by less than 0.018 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference is smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years, putting them into a statistical tie. In the new analysis, the next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009,which are statistically tied for third warmest year. STANDSTILL

So it is up to you to show me where the 0.5 C warming has been upgraded to a higher number. Otherwise you are just making up conspiracy theories that skeptics are manipulating data.

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How did I adjust the data? I took it straight from GISS. Why do you deny the standstill when the scientists admit it? If there has been warming as you say, how come we haven't moved from the 0.5 C increase over 20th century averages since the late 90s? This past decade's temperatures were all pretty much a tie according to NASA. That's a standstill.
From NASA: Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. The two years differed by less than 0.018 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference is smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years, putting them into a statistical tie. In the new analysis, the next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009,which are statistically tied for third warmest year. STANDSTILL
So it is up to you to show me where the 0.5 C warming has been upgraded to a higher number. Otherwise you are just making up conspiracy theories that skeptics are manipulating data.
Am I supposed to be impressed? The stock market had a hiccup a few years ago. It even went backwards for a few years. However, the trend is ever upwards. Same with the temperature. Many things affect the global temperature but increasing the CO2 concentration will cause the temperature to go ever upwards. We have been over this many times. There are variations in the global temperature year to year. Many things cause this one of which is the oceans , the great heat sinks, of the world. However, we have seen no cooling trend over just a very few years. Understand, the trend is ever upwards.

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Sorry, I didn't answer your question. The data is adjusted by picking intervals that show a pause or even a decline. However, when the data is analysed over the long time period, the temperature shows a definite warming trend.
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I see we've gotten bogged down in that decadal thing.

OK, let's look at decades:
the anomalies are-
1880–1889 &#8722;0.274 °C (&#8722;0.493 °F)
1890–1899 &#8722;0.254 °C (&#8722;0.457 °F)
1900–1909 &#8722;0.259 °C (&#8722;0.466 °F)
1910–1919 &#8722;0.276 °C (&#8722;0.497 °F)
1920–1929 &#8722;0.175 °C (&#8722;0.315 °F)
1930–1939 &#8722;0.043 °C (&#8722;0.0774 °F)
1940–1949 0.035 °C (0.0630 °F)
1950–1959 &#8722;0.02 °C (&#8722;0.0360 °F)
1960–1969 &#8722;0.014 °C (&#8722;0.0252 °F)
1970–1979 &#8722;0.001 °C (&#8722;0.00180 °F)
1980–1989 0.176 °C (0.317 °F)
1990–1999 0.313 °C (0.563 °F)
2000–2009 0.513 °C (0.923 °F)

Hmmm, seems it's been getting warmer lately.

And if there is cooling, why is 2010 the warmest year on record with the anomaly at 0.659?

If there was a pause, it had two high points in the 2004-2014 record, the aforementioned 2010 and 2005 (0.6523). Not much of a pause, maybe a slowdown in rate?

Got more numbers?
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Am I supposed to be impressed? The stock market had a hiccup a few years ago. It even went backwards for a few years. However, the trend is ever upwards. Same with the temperature. Many things affect the global temperature but increasing the CO2 concentration will cause the temperature to go ever upwards.
Yes, and that is the point... IF CO2 is the Primary Driver of CC then it would not be a secondary driver behind other drivers of CC... correct? CO2 is at it's highest (400 ppm, a record of sorts) yet temps are not following. Again - that is according to Hansen, Jones and Trenberth. To deny that there has been a pause in Temps when the current instrumental raw data says there has been a pause seems like an odd reversal of appeal to authority.

For a few years now CO2 (the main driver of CC) has NOT been pushing temps "ever upward", which is to say... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."
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Sorry, I didn't answer your question. The data is adjusted by picking intervals that show a pause or even a decline. However, when the data is analysed over the long time period, the temperature shows a definite warming trend.
Then show me where the temperatures have increased over the 0.5 C anomaly. You still provide no proof for your statements.

Headline 2009:

Stagnating Temperatures: Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact." "It cannot be denied that this is one of the hottest issues in the scientific community," says Jochem Marotzke, director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg. "We don't really know why this stagnation is taking place at this point."

Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a STANDSTILL.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/sta...

Did these scientists cherry pick? This information did not come from skeptics and we now have 4 more years to add to the standstill and still no warming.
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gcaveman1 wrote:
I see we've gotten bogged down in that decadal thing.
OK, let's look at decades:
the anomalies are-
1880–1889 &#8722;0.274 °C (&#8722;0.493 °F)
1890–1899 &#8722;0.254 °C (&#8722;0.457 °F)
1900–1909 &#8722;0.259 °C (&#8722;0.466 °F)
1910–1919 &#8722;0.276 °C (&#8722;0.497 °F)
1920–1929 &#8722;0.175 °C (&#8722;0.315 °F)
1930–1939 &#8722;0.043 °C (&#8722;0.0774 °F)
1940–1949 0.035 °C (0.0630 °F)
1950–1959 &#8722;0.02 °C (&#8722;0.0360 °F)
1960–1969 &#8722;0.014 °C (&#8722;0.0252 °F)
1970–1979 &#8722;0.001 °C (&#8722;0.00180 °F)
1980–1989 0.176 °C (0.317 °F)
1990–1999 0.313 °C (0.563 °F)
2000–2009 0.513 °C (0.923 °F)
Hmmm, seems it's been getting warmer lately.
And if there is cooling, why is 2010 the warmest year on record with the anomaly at 0.659?
If there was a pause, it had two high points in the 2004-2014 record, the aforementioned 2010 and 2005 (0.6523). Not much of a pause, maybe a slowdown in rate?
Got more numbers?
What dataset are you using. What are the decades compared too?
Which dataset has 2010 as 0.659 anomaly. The highest of the 4 datasets I have seen has 2010 at 0.56 C. We haven't even reached 2014 so what are you talking about?
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kristy wrote:
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"Let me ask again; are you sure about these numbers? They all show warmth above the average. And, they are from HadCRUT4, NOAA NCDC, NASA GISS, and the WMO? Can you really trust these four organizations, after everything else they have SAID?"
I couldn't understand what he was babbling
World Meteorological Organization

In its Statement at the Twelfth Session of the Conference of the Parties to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change presented on November 15, 2006, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) confirms the need to “prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system.” The WMO concurs that “scientific assessments have increasingly reaffirmed that human activities are indeed changing the composition of the atmosphere, in particular through the burning of fossil fuels for energy production and transportation.” The WMO concurs that “the present atmospheric concentration of CO2 was never exceeded over the past 420,000 years;” and that the IPCC “assessments provide the most authoritative, up-to-date scientific advice.”

Americans’ health, security, and economic well-being are tied to climate and weather. In the last 2 years, the United States experienced 25 climate- and weather-related disasters exceeding $1 billion ($115 billion total) in damages and claiming 1,019 lives. The public, businesses, resource managers, and policy leaders are increasingly asking for information to help them understand how and why climate conditions are changing and how they can prepare.
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World Meteorological Organization
In its Statement at the Twelfth Session of the Conference of the Parties to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change presented on November 15, 2006, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) confirms the need to “prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system.” The WMO concurs that “scientific assessments have increasingly reaffirmed that human activities are indeed changing the composition of the atmosphere, in particular through the burning of fossil fuels for energy production and transportation.” The WMO concurs that “the present atmospheric concentration of CO2 was never exceeded over the past 420,000 years;” and that the IPCC “assessments provide the most authoritative, up-to-date scientific advice.”
Americans’ health, security, and economic well-being are tied to climate and weather. In the last 2 years, the United States experienced 25 climate- and weather-related disasters exceeding $1 billion ($115 billion total) in damages and claiming 1,019 lives. The public, businesses, resource managers, and policy leaders are increasingly asking for information to help them understand how and why climate conditions are changing and how they can prepare.
oh my 'caveman', that is funny. every time the wind blows, or it rains, or the sunshines, or it gets cloudy and the wind just doesn't feel right, it is all caused by man. good one 'caveman'. 1,019 lives is not even close to the toll of the titanic, and it was caused by a friggen iceburg. weather isn't changing,'caveman', people are. and that is climate and weather story of the day.

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Yes, and that is the point... IF CO2 is the Primary Driver of CC then it would not be a secondary driver behind other drivers of CC... correct? CO2 is at it's highest (400 ppm, a record of sorts) yet temps are not following. Again - that is according to Hansen, Jones and Trenberth. To deny that there has been a pause in Temps when the current instrumental raw data says there has been a pause seems like an odd reversal of appeal to authority.
For a few years now CO2 (the main driver of CC) has NOT been pushing temps "ever upward", which is to say... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."
what a wicked web they weave.......

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<quoted text>oh my 'caveman', that is funny. every time the wind blows, or it rains, or the sunshines, or it gets cloudy and the wind just doesn't feel right, it is all caused by man. good one 'caveman'. 1,019 lives is not even close to the toll of the titanic, and it was caused by a friggen iceburg. weather isn't changing,'caveman', people are. and that is climate and weather story of the day.
lol. Bravo!

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Scientists were asked if they use the restroom on a daily basis....
Cook concludes 97% think the world is going to shit based off their answers.
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dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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There has been no Carbon Driven GW tipping point in Earth's history as far as I know.
Irrelevant! And I highly suspect that you know it is. There's never been a period where ten million years worth of carbon sequestration is undone on 10 years, either.
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>For man to trigger such an event, CO2 levels in excess of 15 times current levels would be necessary. http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc%5...
I saw absolutely nothing on the page that supports your claim. I also know that the consensus warming level for dangerous tipping points has been 2degC (rumored to be reduced to 1.5degC in the next IPCC report) which we'll hit rather quickly at a small fraction of your insane 6000 ppm.

I'm calling you out on a BIG LIE.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>what a wicked web they weave.......
That you weave. The instrumental record you yammer about conveniently leaves out the oceans - the sink for 93.4% of the heat gained.

Denier scum.
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There has been no warming for 15 years. No conspiracy, it's documented.
Only for morons and deniers. FACT: Science says that warming has accelerated in the last 15 yrs. Only a denier or a moron would ignore the ocean heat gain - 93.4% of the total - after having surely been exposed to the error repeatedly.

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