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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38129 Aug 18, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Because when you average them out, it's not not that big of an increase, if at all. Obviously it couldn't have been that big, because we are still at 0.7 C. Revisions are okay as long as you own up to them. Taking old ones off the site and then not indicating past mistakes doesn't allow for accountability. They can just claim they always anticipated a pause, when in fact they didn't. If they had, they would not have had to revise their predictions 2 times. The 3rd revision wasn't even announced. It was found by a blogger.
"it's not not that big of an increase"
But an increase, nonetheless. Negates any claims that the Earth is cooling.

I would have to check to see if there was all the cloak-and-dagger surreptitiousness you claim. And that would be sorta pointless too, since maybe 95% of everything that's been posted on the Web can still be found if one looks hard enough.

Not like WUWT or Heartland ever removed anything without announcing it honestly.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38130 Aug 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The report is bogus; Exxon/Mobil and their customers have a right to advocate against higher energy taxes, intrusive regulations and wasteful government spending on renewable energy.
Exxon has a right to lobby against whatever they want; I suppose they even have the right to lie.

We have the right and the duty to call out their lies and point out their corrupting influence.

As all of here know you fairly well, we know that lies don't bother you at all.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#38131 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"it's not not that big of an increase"
But an increase, nonetheless. Negates any claims that the Earth is cooling.
There is no sense to the claim that "it isn't that big an increase". The ice ages are only a change of 3C to 5C in the GLOBAL AVERAGE surface temperature. A warming of 2C can lead to massive changes in sea level and desertification. So, ON THE APPROPRIATE SCALE, the current warming of about 1C is a MAJOR DISRUPTION (as we have seen from the attendant climate change).
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38132 Aug 18, 2013
Change doesn't have to be painful. Lifestyles might not have to change that much. How hard can it be if termites have figured it out?

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With heat waves gripping much of the planet, electricity grid operators are sweating even more than their customers. Air-conditioning uses a tremendous amount of energy, but a new group of designers think they can solve that problem by mimicking Mother Nature's craftiness.

Janine Benyus, a biologist, innovation consultant, and author of the book Biomimicry: Innovation Inspired by Nature, told National Geographic that copying the way plants and animals solve natural problems can provide many benefits, from environmental sustainability to economic efficiency.(See "Nature Yields New Ideas for Energy and Efficiency.")

"With biomimicry we're able to apply fresh thinking to traditional manufacturing, to undo the toxic and energy-intensive mistakes of the past," said Benyus, who is part of a group that hopes to lead a new revolution in design by imitating nature. "I wish we had been at the design table at the Industrial Revolution."

In natural systems, nothing is wasted, since everything can be used by something else. Instead of using large inputs of energy and toxic chemicals to make things and ship them across the globe, nature makes what it needs where it needs it, with water-based chemistry.

These designs suggest some of what could be learned by applying the lessons of biomimicry to the problem of air-conditioning in particular.(See "In Search of Green Air-Conditioning.")

Ventilation Inspired by Termites

Perhaps the most famous example of biomimicry when it comes to heating and cooling is ventilation inspired by termites. A few years ago, scientists observed that big termite mounds in Africa stay remarkably cool inside, even in blistering heat. The insects accomplish that feat with a clever system of air pockets, which drive natural ventilation through convection.

Architect Mick Pearce and engineering firm Arup borrowed that idea to build Eastgate Centre, a large office and shopping center in Zimbabwe that is cooled with the outside air. The system uses only 10 percent as much energy as conventional air-conditioning to drive fans that keep the air circulating.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38133 Aug 18, 2013
BERLIN, Aug 15 (Reuters)- The areas of the world hit by heatwaves are set to double in size by 2020 and continue to grow in coming decades, as heat-trapping greenhouse gases warm the global climate, scientists in Germany and Spain said on Thursday.

The projections, based on new computer models and reviewing what the scientists said was an "exceptional number of extreme heatwaves" in the past decade, are more alarming than the conclusions of the U.N. panel of climate scientists last year.

That report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - the U.N. body that collates scientific research from around the world - merely said of heatwaves: "It is very likely that the length, frequency, and/or intensity of warm spells or heatwaves will increase over most land areas" this century.

Monthly heat extremes in summer - such as the heatwaves in Australia this year, parts of the United States in 2012 or Russia in 2010 - now affect five percent of the world's land area, the report said.

"This is projected to double by 2020 and quadruple by 2040," the scientists wrote of their new study in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

The tropics would be most affected by increased heatwaves, followed by areas including the Mediterranean, Middle East, parts of western Europe, central Asia and the United States.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38134 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
BERLIN, Aug 15 (Reuters)- The areas of the world hit by heatwaves are set to double in size by 2020 and continue to grow in coming decades, as heat-trapping greenhouse gases warm the global climate, scientists in Germany and Spain said on Thursday.
The projections, based on new computer models and reviewing what the scientists said was an "exceptional number of extreme heatwaves" in the past decade, are more alarming than the conclusions of the U.N. panel of climate scientists last year.
That report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - the U.N. body that collates scientific research from around the world - merely said of heatwaves: "It is very likely that the length, frequency, and/or intensity of warm spells or heatwaves will increase over most land areas" this century.
Monthly heat extremes in summer - such as the heatwaves in Australia this year, parts of the United States in 2012 or Russia in 2010 - now affect five percent of the world's land area, the report said.
"This is projected to double by 2020 and quadruple by 2040," the scientists wrote of their new study in the journal Environmental Research Letters.
The tropics would be most affected by increased heatwaves, followed by areas including the Mediterranean, Middle East, parts of western Europe, central Asia and the United States.
Then flooding or droughts and fires or melting glaciers and rising sea levels and more in the rest as well. Simultaneously and/or stochastically.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#38135 Aug 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The report is bogus; Exxon/Mobil and their customers have a right to advocate against higher energy taxes, intrusive regulations and wasteful government spending on renewable energy.
So they did it.

We won't take your word for it. After all, you have been here many years as an ff shill, duh.

However:

International and national efforts to mitigate climate change are making little headway. In response to this slow progress and because of concerns about the local impacts of climate change, states, communities, colleges, churches, businesses, and other entities are addressing climate change directly by developing local mitigation plans.

Now, be happy, huh.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#38136 Aug 18, 2013
Heat records tumble as Alaska bakes.
Another event to dismiss from the usual suspects.

Extract from News item:
"Alaska residents have been enjoying an unusually warm, sunny summer, but the pleasant weather has come at a cost: choking smoke from an extended wildfire season, flooding rivers due to fast-melting snow and glacial ice, and fish covered in algae. "

"Still, climate scientists are currently investigating whether reduced Arctic sea ice has wider-ranging weather impacts, said Christopher Krenz, a Juneau, Alaska-based scientist at the environmental group Oceana. The hypothesis concerns the jet stream, created by the contrast between temperatures at polar regions and the equator, Krenz said. When polar regions warm, the jet stream weakens and its patterns are disrupted, according to the theory, he said."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt...
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#38137 Aug 18, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you are making progress, finally. For a time deniers disputed that the globe was warming. Now they are saying that it is but man has nothing to do with it because Rush Limbaugh says...
Dear Mr. AKA Bozo,
May I respectfully suggest; that kind of (false) logic only taints the arguments in favor of the AGW Orthodoxy.

Now, if I may, some heretical realist rationale:
1)As you are aware Kristy and I have been VERY clear that we do NOT dispute that the Earth, on average, has been warming.

2)We also accept that CO2 is a GHG.

3)No where in any of our posts have either one of us invoked the musings of Rush as a source of authority.

So, by your own stated standards (Re: your post above) we are not "deniers".

So Mr. AKA Bozo, I trust you now see that we agree with you regarding these facts.(Sorry it took this long to clearly explain our position)

I am glad we had this opportunity to establish these THREE POINTS of common ground among us.
Sincerely,
koolaid
No Warming

Waverly, OH

#38138 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me ask again; are you sure about these numbers? They all show warmth above the average. And, they are from HadCRUT4, NOAA NCDC, NASA GISS, and the WMO?
Can you really trust these four organizations, after everything else they have SAID?
Whether I trust them or not they are the official keepers of the record. Considering they all affirm AGW, I suspect if they were to fudge the numbers it would be on the upside.
No Warming

Waverly, OH

#38139 Aug 18, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Heat records tumble as Alaska bakes.
Another event to dismiss from the usual suspects.
Extract from News item:
"Alaska residents have been enjoying an unusually warm, sunny summer, but the pleasant weather has come at a cost: choking smoke from an extended wildfire season, flooding rivers due to fast-melting snow and glacial ice, and fish covered in algae. "
"Still, climate scientists are currently investigating whether reduced Arctic sea ice has wider-ranging weather impacts, said Christopher Krenz, a Juneau, Alaska-based scientist at the environmental group Oceana. The hypothesis concerns the jet stream, created by the contrast between temperatures at polar regions and the equator, Krenz said. When polar regions warm, the jet stream weakens and its patterns are disrupted, according to the theory, he said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt...
So if someone points out 15 years of GLOBAL temperature data that's cherry picking, yet 2 warm months in Alaska demonstrate AGW.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38140 Aug 18, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Heat records tumble as Alaska bakes.
Another event to dismiss from the usual suspects.
Extract from News item:
"Alaska residents have been enjoying an unusually warm, sunny summer, but the pleasant weather has come at a cost: choking smoke from an extended wildfire season, flooding rivers due to fast-melting snow and glacial ice, and fish covered in algae. "
"Still, climate scientists are currently investigating whether reduced Arctic sea ice has wider-ranging weather impacts, said Christopher Krenz, a Juneau, Alaska-based scientist at the environmental group Oceana. The hypothesis concerns the jet stream, created by the contrast between temperatures at polar regions and the equator, Krenz said. When polar regions warm, the jet stream weakens and its patterns are disrupted, according to the theory, he said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt...
I saw a photo layout on that story, of chicks in bikinis layin' out on a beach north of Anchorage.

I tell ya, it was the best evidence I saw that day of global warming. I mean, it was the best-looking evidence I saw that day.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#38141 Aug 18, 2013
The evidence keeps mounting daily and the ignorant will keep shrinking at the same rate as tide of change rises.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23812...
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38142 Aug 18, 2013
No Warming wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether I trust them or not they are the official keepers of the record. Considering they all affirm AGW, I suspect if they were to fudge the numbers it would be on the upside.
I suspect that if one did fudge the numbers the others would call them out.

Meaning the only other possibility is that these hundreds, probably thousands of people are all in on the hoax together, and therefore the numbers cannot be believed.

Is that what you were trying to say?

And these 1000's of people, educated, working stiffs who want to hold onto their jobs, all go along with the hoax? Not a single dissatisfied worker among them, no one with an ax to grind, no honest whistleblower willing to blow the whole thing open with all the hidden evidence will come forward, who will pull an Assuage? All these folks,(hell, I understand some of Ďem is even in jolly olde England) you mean nobody would say a goddam word?

Oh wait, you said they were the OFFICIAL keepers of the record. But isnít that usually who we listen to, in most every other human endeavor?

I bet you just donít know what to do!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38143 Aug 18, 2013
Ok, get this, I just heard a good one.

All the employees of NOAA, NASA, HADCRUT, AND NCDC,
all the employees; the atmospheric scientists, the biologists, the meteorologists, the fluid dynamics specialists, the graduate students, the lab workers, the interns, the instrument technicians, the pilots, the statisticians, the physicists, the engineers, even, probably, the fuggin' janitors..........

ARE LYING!

They are pulling off THE GREATEST HOAX EVER PERPETRATED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

20,000 people
one lie
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#38144 Aug 18, 2013
Isn't that hilarious?

I left out the climatologists and the caterers....
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#38145 Aug 18, 2013
No Warming wrote:
<quoted text>
So if someone points out 15 years of GLOBAL temperature data
Global average AIR temperature (at 2 meters), NOT global average surface temperature. So not entirely relevant. The issue with the 'proxy measure' is that it has a lot of false artifacts from various climate cycles. So it needs to be filtered over thirty years to be considered valid.
No Warming wrote:
<quoted text>
yet 2 warm months in Alaska demonstrate AGW.
Nope. That is seasonal climate, not AGW. AGW is the global average surface temperature. SPECIFICALLY. It can be measured by thermometers, and is a separate issue from regional (Alaska) climate, Seaonal anomalies (two months) or even climate change (the response to AGW in terms of climate).

You really don't understand any of this, do you?
No Warming

Waverly, OH

#38147 Aug 18, 2013
Nice game, you're the one questioning if they can be trusted. Of course you're also the one who believes earth has warmed .3C since 2004 so it fits.
No Warming

Waverly, OH

#38148 Aug 18, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Global average AIR temperature (at 2 meters), NOT global average surface temperature. So not entirely relevant. The issue with the 'proxy measure' is that it has a lot of false artifacts from various climate cycles. So it needs to be filtered over thirty years to be considered valid.
<quoted text>
Nope. That is seasonal climate, not AGW. AGW is the global average surface temperature. SPECIFICALLY. It can be measured by thermometers, and is a separate issue from regional (Alaska) climate, Seaonal anomalies (two months) or even climate change (the response to AGW in terms of climate).
You really don't understand any of this, do you?
Write NASA and explain it them.
No Warming

Waverly, OH

#38149 Aug 18, 2013
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