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chisholm

Columbus, OH

#37605 Aug 5, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
Skillfully argued my good man!
Perhaps the most compelling defense of the AGW belief system to date :-)
Almost as clever as your lengthy dissertation above on pots and kettles..
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#37606 Aug 5, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
What broadcast network has reported that banks and corporations control the media? Are you saying Fox is the only outlet that hasn't reported that? Really, you need to get over your obsession with Fox. They are no different than MSNBC except that 55% of Fox programming is opinion while 85% of MSNBC's programming is opinion. You just don't agree with the opinions on Fox, so that equals bad.
Although you offer (as usual) no support for your claimed percentages, I suspect they're backward. MSNBC isn't openly a supporter of a major political party and its extremist wing, as Fox is.

And I suspect that MSNBC = bad to you, so isn't that also a bit hypocritical?:)
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37607 Aug 5, 2013
chisholm wrote:
<quoted text>
Although you offer (as usual) no support for your claimed percentages, I suspect they're backward. MSNBC isn't openly a supporter of a major political party and its extremist wing, as Fox is.
And I suspect that MSNBC = bad to you, so isn't that also a bit hypocritical?:)
It would be hypocritical if I was on here injecting MSNBC in my posts. It is others on here who for some unknown reason keep injecting Fox, Rush, and Beck and also Christianity. I'm only commenting that ideology and bias is from both sides. So it seems ridiculous to me to keep bringing up how Fox is biased without also slamming the other side for the same thing.

But here are the numbers for MSNBC and Fox and CNN from Pew Research and a few other articles that claim the exact opposite of your statement that MSNBC is not an open supporter of a major political party and this coming from democrats.

Pew Research:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/201...

From the Huffington Post, an article from a former MSNBC producer/media critic:

Headline: How Do You Know When President Obama is Lying? MSNBC Won’t Tell You.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-cohen/how-...

From another article:
“Instead of becoming a news outlet capable of acting as a government watchdog, MSNBC is hamstrung by its hiring of liberal pundits, such as Chris Matthews, who gets a “thrill up his leg” when the president speaks and progressive news anchors who spend their time vexing over the appropriate title for Obama.”

http://www.policymic.com/articles/30581/rache...

David Shuster: "When you're too predictably a mouthpiece for the administration and you cast your lot with the president's performance, there's a risk," said David Shuster, who left the network for Current TV when his contract expired in 2011. He pointed to Fox's higher production values as one of the reasons for the conservative network's ongoing ratings dominance lead and the high-brow nature of MSNBC's prime time lineup as one of the reasons for its most recent decline.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-...

MSNBC has long been as bad as Fox News when it comes to ideological bias. But with the hiring of longtime Team Obama loyalists David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs, it’s official: MSNBC is worse. The cable channel that flies under the banner of NBC News is now all but a bona fide organ of state propaganda, an information channel that speaks in the same dominant voice as the folks running the government -- and tries to mask what it is up to.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/...

chisholm

Columbus, OH

#37608 Aug 5, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be hypocritical if I was on here injecting MSNBC in my posts. It is others on here who for some unknown reason keep injecting Fox, Rush, and Beck and also Christianity. I'm only commenting that ideology and bias is from both sides. So it seems ridiculous to me to keep bringing up how Fox is biased without also slamming the other side for the same thing.
But here are the numbers for MSNBC and Fox and CNN from Pew Research and a few other articles that claim the exact opposite of your statement that MSNBC is not an open supporter of a major political party and this coming from democrats.
Pew Research:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/201...
From the Huffington Post, an article from a former MSNBC producer/media critic:
Headline: How Do You Know When President Obama is Lying? MSNBC Won’t Tell You.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-cohen/how-...
From another article:
“Instead of becoming a news outlet capable of acting as a government watchdog, MSNBC is hamstrung by its hiring of liberal pundits, such as Chris Matthews, who gets a “thrill up his leg” when the president speaks and progressive news anchors who spend their time vexing over the appropriate title for Obama.”
http://www.policymic.com/articles/30581/rache...
David Shuster: "When you're too predictably a mouthpiece for the administration and you cast your lot with the president's performance, there's a risk," said David Shuster, who left the network for Current TV when his contract expired in 2011. He pointed to Fox's higher production values as one of the reasons for the conservative network's ongoing ratings dominance lead and the high-brow nature of MSNBC's prime time lineup as one of the reasons for its most recent decline.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-...
MSNBC has long been as bad as Fox News when it comes to ideological bias. But with the hiring of longtime Team Obama loyalists David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs, it’s official: MSNBC is worse. The cable channel that flies under the banner of NBC News is now all but a bona fide organ of state propaganda, an information channel that speaks in the same dominant voice as the folks running the government -- and tries to mask what it is up to.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/...
The post I'm citing mentions MSNBC prominently, I don't care who mentioned them FIRST. You attack MSNBC for the same things you complain others are attacking Fox for - and that's hypocrisy, sorry. This post of yours is also full of attacks on MSNBC, as if they were the problem with the media or the country.

"All but a bona fide organ of government?" Heh...try Fox News contributing to the Republican Governors or putting up graphics which suggest that they both sponsor and cover Tea Party events, hon. You're just doing the typical 'I know you are but what am I??' thing I see from the Righties all the time.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37609 Aug 5, 2013
chisholm wrote:
<quoted text>
The post I'm citing mentions MSNBC prominently, I don't care who mentioned them FIRST. You attack MSNBC for the same things you complain others are attacking Fox for - and that's hypocrisy, sorry. This post of yours is also full of attacks on MSNBC, as if they were the problem with the media or the country.
"All but a bona fide organ of government?" Heh...try Fox News contributing to the Republican Governors or putting up graphics which suggest that they both sponsor and cover Tea Party events, hon. You're just doing the typical 'I know you are but what am I??' thing I see from the Righties all the time.
So let me get this straight, some posters on here claim that the problem with media is that they are controlled by banks and corporations, which leads them to biased reporting. Then to prove it they post the example of Fox News and they claim it is the worst. No other network is identified by name as being a problem. So I post it is not only Fox News, but MSNBC is a major network that has biased reporting. Somehow in your mind, I am hypocritical to responding to their statements. So of course my post mentions MSNBC, only because I am showing the bias goes both ways. I never claimed Fox is not biased. I really don't care what MSNBC airs or what Fox airs. I know who they are and what side they lean to. Both sides are getting their views across, but for some unknown reason, it really makes some of you angry if MSNBC is called out for who they are, the mouthpiece for the democrat party. There's nothing wrong with that, just own up to it. I’m not attacking MSNBC. I didn’t write the articles I posted. I'm not the one who said MSNBC is a bona fide organ of the government. I didn’t do the research that Pew put out. I’m not sure what the difference is between Fox covering Tea Party events and MSNBC Ed Shultz broadcasting with the unions against the governors of Wisconsin and Ohio. Or that Fox gave to the Republican governors and senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC gave to democratic candidates. Who cares? They are who they are.

But back to what you said:“Although you offer (as usual) no support for your claimed percentages, I suspect they're backward. MSNBC isn't openly a supporter of a major political party and its extremist wing, as Fox is.”

You suspected wrong and maybe it is you that really has no clue due to your warped ideology. I haven’t quite figured you out. You hate Fox for being biased, but yet can’t admit that MSNBC is biased. You hate the IMF/World Bank and corporations because they ruin developing nations, but yet you promote international regulations which go through the exact organizations you hate.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37610 Aug 5, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
What broadcast network has reported that banks and corporations control the media? Are you saying Fox is the only outlet that hasn't reported that? Really, you need to get over your obsession with Fox. They are no different than MSNBC except that 55% of Fox programming is opinion while 85% of MSNBC's programming is opinion. You just don't agree with the opinions on Fox, so that equals bad.
There is a HUGE difference between a individual reporters bias on a certain story and a FULL ON network of bias such as Fox. Can you name on story since Obama has been in office that was positive to his administration. They even wanted to take the credit elsewhere for getting Bin Laden. MNSBC have done negative stories on Obama but did target Romney during the election campaign.
In my view to have a media lic you must show ethics of good reporting and the Murdoch organisation has displayed anything but good moral ethics. Just google it and see some of the things he has done and is still doing right now. There is not much point having a newspaper or media organisation that is a 24 hr advertisement for one view of the political spectrum. That's not being informed its full on propaganda. Now you ask yourself is this a fit and proper person to hold a media lic using the same checks and balances that one would have to go through to say get a casino lic for instance.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/07/11/2...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federa...
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37611 Aug 5, 2013
The Earth is warming.

It's real.

It's happening.

It's us.

We can do something about it.

Just returned from the Climate Reality Project Leadership training in Chicago last week. The above is our mantra. Call it religion, if you want. It's the truth.

Anyone who denies the four statements above is either abysmally ignorant, incredibly naive, a bald-faced liar, a pail shill, or all of the above.

Let the games begin....
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37612 Aug 6, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
In my view to have a media lic you must show ethics of good reporting and the Murdoch organisation has displayed anything but good moral ethics. Just google it and see some of the things he has done and is still doing right now. There is not much point having a newspaper or media organisation that is a 24 hr advertisement for one view of the political spectrum. That's not being informed its full on propaganda. Now you ask yourself is this a fit and proper person to hold a media lic using the same checks and balances that one would have to go through to say get a casino lic for instance.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/07/11/2...
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federa...
I would love to have a country where moral ethics were held in high regard. That is my wish, but the reality proves otherwise. If there is one thing we all know is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Corruption is blind and it permeates throughout all of man from personal life to politics to media to science. In no way do I defend Murdoch in his actions. He is immoral. That being said, it is hard to find someone to look up to who is not immoral. There are things I believe in and I hold true to those beliefs, one of those being that the Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us from the absolute power. When I posted the clip of Olbermann calling Bush a fascist, I posted it because I believe that to be true. I believe Bush was grabbing power away from us and placing it into the vast Federal government, thus chipping away at our freedoms. I believe in order for us to retain power, the constitution, especially the first and second amendments are vital to that success. That’s not outdated, that’s a truth. So when Obama comes out as George Bush on steroids, the same people who called Bush a fascist are now defending his actions and it goes both ways; people who were ok with Bush taking away our freedoms are now blasting Obama. Something is wrong with this picture. We are sheep. We follow a party without thinking for ourselves.

I have come to the conclusion that Occupy is right on the banks, the libertarians are right on the wars, and the Tea Party is right on limited government. Now if I could just meld these into a party, I would love that. But instead the sheep keep voting for the same people over and over blindly believing everything they say and expecting different results. We are so screwed that we have perverts running for office who have no shame or embarrassment for their actions and we have people who will vote for them. So I do realize Murdoch is immoral, but that doesn’t mean that what is said by some of the people on Fox is not true, just as what some of the people say on MSNBC is not true. I don’t have a problem with MSNBC or Fox airing their views. What I don’t like is some people telling others not to watch or listen to something with a different view than their own. We squash free thinking and debate when we attack the people sending out information instead of listening to what each is saying. I always teach my children, don’t believe everything you see or hear, research it, then decide.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37613 Aug 6, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
The Earth is warming.
It's real.
It's happening.
It's us.
We can do something about it.
Just returned from the Climate Reality Project Leadership training in Chicago last week. The above is our mantra. Call it religion, if you want. It's the truth.
Anyone who denies the four statements above is either abysmally ignorant, incredibly naive, a bald-faced liar, a pail shill, or all of the above.
Let the games begin....
See what I mean Ozritz...squashing debate. Science has been corrupted.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37614 Aug 6, 2013
I forgot I wanted to post this youtube video that really shows how we are sheep and that it is not really about what we believe in, but instead it's all about the party. This is why we are screwed. I do have to say there were a couple of people in the video, who may have had their eyes opened.

Obama Supporters Hate His Policies.(The video maker did not support Romney or Obama, just to let you know)

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#37615 Aug 6, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
The Earth is warming.
It's real.
It's happening.
It's us.
We can do something about it.
Just returned from the Climate Reality Project Leadership training in Chicago last week. The above is our mantra. Call it religion, if you want. It's the truth.
Anyone who denies the four statements above is either abysmally ignorant, incredibly naive, a bald-faced liar, a pail shill, or all of the above.
Let the games begin....
lol....glad you were inspired by your trip to "climate Mecca"!
What's on your agenda now? Gonna behead some climate change infidels?
Ex-Riversider

Orlando, FL

#37616 Aug 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
See what I mean Ozritz...squashing debate. Science has been corrupted.
LOL- a lot of people believe in Santa Clause- that does not make him real

There is much junk science involved in your global warming theories- and a lot of attempts to compare suspect prior data with suspect current data

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37617 Aug 6, 2013
Ex-Riversider wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL- a lot of people believe in Santa Clause- that does not make him real
There is much junk science involved in your global warming theories- and a lot of attempts to compare suspect prior data with suspect current data
Unfortunately most of the junk is involved in denying AGW.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37618 Aug 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to have a country where moral ethics were held in high regard. That is my wish, but the reality proves otherwise. If there is one thing we all know is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Corruption is blind and it permeates throughout all of man from personal life to politics to media to science. In no way do I defend Murdoch in his actions. He is immoral. That being said, it is hard to find someone to look up to who is not immoral. There are things I believe in and I hold true to those beliefs, one of those being that the Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us from the absolute power. When I posted the clip of Olbermann calling Bush a fascist, I posted it because I believe that to be true. I believe Bush was grabbing power away from us and placing it into the vast Federal government, thus chipping away at our freedoms. I believe in order for us to retain power, the constitution, especially the first and second amendments are vital to that success. That’s not outdated, that’s a truth. So when Obama comes out as George Bush on steroids, the same people who called Bush a fascist are now defending his actions and it goes both ways; people who were ok with Bush taking away our freedoms are now blasting Obama. Something is wrong with this picture. We are sheep. We follow a party without thinking for ourselves.
I have come to the conclusion that Occupy is right on the banks, the libertarians are right on the wars, and the Tea Party is right on limited government. Now if I could just meld these into a party, I would love that. But instead the sheep keep voting for the same people over and over blindly believing everything they say and expecting different results. We are so screwed that we have perverts running for office who have no shame or embarrassment for their actions and we have people who will vote for them. So I do realize Murdoch is immoral, but that doesn’t mean that what is said by some of the people on Fox is not true, just as what some of the people say on MSNBC is not true. I don’t have a problem with MSNBC or Fox airing their views. What I don’t like is some people telling others not to watch or listen to something with a different view than their own. We squash free thinking and debate when we attack the people sending out information instead of listening to what each is saying. I always teach my children, don’t believe everything you see or hear, research it, then decide.
Possibly there is hope for you! The media needs to report the news, not simply controversy to make a buck and influence politics.
Retired Farmer

Eddyville, KY

#37619 Aug 6, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
The Earth is warming.
It's real.
It's happening.
It's us.
We can do something about it.
Just returned from the Climate Reality Project Leadership training in Chicago last week. The above is our mantra. Call it religion, if you want. It's the truth.
Anyone who denies the four statements above is either abysmally ignorant, incredibly naive, a bald-faced liar, a pail shill, or all of the above.
Let the games begin....
I hope that you are right, but I'm afraid you are wrong. Not about the facts, but about whether or not we can or will do anything about it.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37620 Aug 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
See what I mean Ozritz...squashing debate. Science has been corrupted.
The Earth is warming.

It's real.

It's happening.

It's us.

We can do something about it.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37621 Aug 6, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>lol....glad you were inspired by your trip to "climate Mecca"!
What's on your agenda now? Gonna behead some climate change infidels?
The Earth is warming.

It's real.

It's happening.

It's us.

We can do something about it.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37622 Aug 6, 2013
A Republican Case for Climate Action
By WILLIAM D. RUCKELSHAUS, LEE M. THOMAS, WILLIAM K. REILLY and CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN
Published: August 1, 2013, New York Times

EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally.

There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.

The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous. And the window of time remaining to act is growing smaller: delay could mean that warming becomes “locked in.”

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington. Dealing with this political reality, President Obama’s June climate action plan lays out achievable actions that would deliver real progress. He will use his executive powers to require reductions in the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the nation’s power plants and spur increased investment in clean energy technology, which is inarguably the path we must follow to ensure a strong economy along with a livable climate.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37623 Aug 6, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Possibly there is hope for you! The media needs to report the news, not simply controversy to make a buck and influence politics.
But is there hope for you? The thing about power and corruption is that it is inherent in ALL MEN. It doesn’t bypass party lines or scientific lines. By you buying into the media spin that anything skeptic/republican/Tea Party/Fox is bad, you are also part of the problem. You are trying to silence the debate. You don’t see that those you support could ever be corrupt. Every group whether Occupy, libertarian or Tea Party has something of value to add to the debate, but the political class along with the bankers and multinational corporations keeps us in constant fight mode through the media to keep us from banding together.

One thing I found interesting about the video I posted was that when the people found out that they actually supported someone with totally opposite ideology than their own, they then tried to reconcile that in their minds as just voting for the lesser of 2 evils. So my point in the earlier post was that we continue to vote for the same people over and over and then are confused as to why we still have the same problems plus more. That’s because there is no difference between the 2 parties. They are both controlled and beholden to the banks and multinational corporations. It’s not just one side that is immune to the perks and benefits of helping these entities; they all benefit each other.

With climate change science, you can’t say that only one side is able to be corrupted by power and money without also understanding that the other side also has lots of money and power to gain on the global warming “crisis.” The IMF and World Bank are proof of that. Basically Africa is being used as a money laundering scheme; money from us the taxpayers through Africa into the hands of banks and corporations and governments in the name of climate change.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#37624 Aug 6, 2013
kristy wrote:
...edited....But back to what you said:“Although you offer (as usual) no support for your claimed percentages, I suspect they're backward. MSNBC isn't openly a supporter of a major political party and its extremist wing, as Fox is.”
You suspected wrong and maybe it is you that really has no clue due to your warped ideology. I haven’t quite figured you out. You hate Fox for being biased, but yet can’t admit that MSNBC is biased. You hate the IMF/World Bank and corporations because they ruin developing nations, but yet you promote international regulations which go through the exact organizations you hate.
So I'm "wrong" but you can't say how or why. That's pretty much in keeping with the rest of your posts, Kristy.

Fox is biased quite deliberately, and I disapprove of the ideology behind them and of their owner, the vile Rupert Murdoch. I consider them a danger to America. MSNBC and other networks all have their various corporate biases and such, but they don't matter as much to me. I don't see anyone twisting the news or blurring the line between news and commentary the way Fox does.

Not sure what "international regulations" I'm "promoting" which go through the IMF and World Bank. Could you give me your version of this, please?

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