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There are 54358 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Mar 09

Penrose, CO

#37389 Jul 22, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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That is some of the most twisted and sick thinking I have heard outside of the 'Race' debates.
Really, third world peoples may not benefit from the advantages of a dam's energy and flood mitigation capabilities.... But new cooking stoves??? Now we're talking!
There is a "simple solution" but let us not distract from this opportunity to savory your profundity:
"No, past analogies do not give any indication that global warming scientists are incorrect. Also, if you think the third world countries can jump into the fossil fuel world, you are sadly mistaken. The hydro power is renewable but flooding their fertile lands with a dam and also preventing the fertility gained by flooding for the necessary nutrients downstream might not be the best thing for them. Food is more important to them than energy. There is no simple solution. However more efficient cooking stoves would be a great thing for them. They waste fuel in inefficient stoves and also vent harmful smoke and fumes into their living areas today"
-Patriot AKA Bozo
'
You need to study the situation before you jump in with both feet. You may find that you are all wet!

Since: Mar 09

Penrose, CO

#37390 Jul 22, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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Never mind the environmentalists. Egypt will never allow that dam to be built. The Nile River is Egypt's life and they'll go to war it if that's what it takes to stop it being dammed upstream.

Thank you. There are some things that we can agree on! Nothing is ever simple.

Since: Mar 09

Penrose, CO

#37391 Jul 22, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
That is some of the most twisted and sick thinking I have heard outside of the 'Race' debates.
Really, third world peoples may not benefit from the advantages of a dam's energy and flood mitigation capabilities.... But new cooking stoves??? Now we're talking!
There is a "simple solution" but let us not distract from this opportunity to savory your profundity:
"No, past analogies do not give any indication that global warming scientists are incorrect. Also, if you think the third world countries can jump into the fossil fuel world, you are sadly mistaken. The hydro power is renewable but flooding their fertile lands with a dam and also preventing the fertility gained by flooding for the necessary nutrients downstream might not be the best thing for them. Food is more important to them than energy. There is no simple solution. However more efficient cooking stoves would be a great thing for them. They waste fuel in inefficient stoves and also vent harmful smoke and fumes into their living areas today"
-Patriot AKA Bozo
'
Some of those folks would be very happy with even a good cooking pot! How is electricity going to help them?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#37392 Jul 23, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Wow .. do you bake a lot?
Are you a baker from Bakersville? Bon soir, lol.
no, but you do. one lie after another.

psssst.lame!!
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37393 Jul 23, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
I exactly understood what you tried to say. No, past analogies do not give any indication that global warming scientists are incorrect. Also, if you think the third world countries can jump into the fossil fuel world, you are sadly mistaken. The hydro power is renewable but flooding their fertile lands with a dam and also preventing the fertility gained by flooding for the necessary nutrients downstream might not be the best thing for them. Food is more important to them than energy. There is no simple solution. However more efficient cooking stoves would be a great thing for them. They waste fuel in inefficient stoves and also vent harmful smoke and fumes into their living areas today.
You live in a country with over 2500 hydroelectric dams and you want to tell people in Africa that having power is not necessarily the best thing for them. No wonder we are hated all over the world and seen as elitists. By the way, the dam that is starting construction in 2015 is at the Inga Falls on the Congo River. Due to the Congo River's flow being so strong and so constant, enormous power can be extracted without a large dam to store water, so thus it floods little land, saving rainforests and reducing the need to move people. When it's completed, it will be the largest hydroelectric dam in the world and the most genuinely low-carbon source of energy.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37394 Jul 23, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
That is some of the most twisted and sick thinking I have heard outside of the 'Race' debates.
Couldn't have said it better myself...people like Bozo would like to keep them on the plantation. The slave owner knows whats best for the poor of Africa while living with all the luxuries that our hydroelectric dams provide.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37395 Jul 23, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
Never mind the environmentalists. Egypt will never allow that dam to be built. The Nile River is Egypt's life and they'll go to war it if that's what it takes to stop it being dammed upstream.
The dam is on the Congo River at Inga Falls. It won't affect the Nile. The dam is to start construction in 2015 and is supported by the African Development Bank and the World Bank.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37396 Jul 23, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of those folks would be very happy with even a good cooking pot! How is electricity going to help them?
Oh lord....slave owner mentality at work again. So I don't know, how would electricity help them?. I mean there's no evidence that electricity changes civilizations. I mean we are still using wood and dung to cook with and washing our clothes on the rivers. If just someone would give us a clean burning cooking stove, our lives would be complete.

Since: Mar 09

Penrose, CO

#37397 Jul 23, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh lord....slave owner mentality at work again. So I don't know, how would electricity help them?. I mean there's no evidence that electricity changes civilizations. I mean we are still using wood and dung to cook with and washing our clothes on the rivers. If just someone would give us a clean burning cooking stove, our lives would be complete.
And of course those folks could go out and buy an electric skillet and a crockpot to cook in. Perhaps a flat screen TV, a washer and dryer, and an electric can opener. Good grief, many hardly can afford a decent cooking pot. There are no big solutions. Try to think for a change!
Coal is King

Gilbertsville, KY

#37398 Jul 23, 2013
kristy wrote:
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By the way, the dam that is starting construction in 2015 is at the Inga Falls on the Congo River. Due to the Congo River's flow being so strong and so constant, enormous power can be extracted without a large dam to store water, so thus it floods little land, saving rainforests and reducing the need to move people. When it's completed, it will be the largest hydroelectric dam in the world and the most genuinely low-carbon source of energy.
My mistake. I thought you were talking about the new dam that Ethiopia is building on the Nile.

Congo? Yep, it's a real promising place:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/opinion/con...

Inga Falls dam will end up like every other development project in Africa has. Most likely the dam will never be finished and the money will end up in the local African dictator's Swiss bank account.
GEEWIZ

Lexington, KY

#37399 Jul 23, 2013
Burn that COAL good 4 cheap dependable electric.use that green energy and b broke and in the dark.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#37400 Jul 23, 2013
cheezwhiz wrote:
Burn that COAL good.......
"cheezwhiz" lives in KY, where regional downwinders from coal plants have the highest cancer rates in the the nation.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37401 Jul 23, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
And of course those folks could go out and buy an electric skillet and a crockpot to cook in. Perhaps a flat screen TV, a washer and dryer, and an electric can opener. Good grief, many hardly can afford a decent cooking pot. There are no big solutions. Try to think for a change!
Which came first? The electricity or the manufacturing jobs? Which came first? The electricity or the crockpot?
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37402 Jul 23, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
My mistake. I thought you were talking about the new dam that Ethiopia is building on the Nile.
Congo? Yep, it's a real promising place:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/opinion/con...
Inga Falls dam will end up like every other development project in Africa has. Most likely the dam will never be finished and the money will end up in the local African dictator's Swiss bank account.
Not disagreeing with you about the corruption and civil wars. One of the main problems in Africa is their open-ended aid from all over the world. This really needs to stop. We seem to keep rewarding corruption. But at the same time, Africa does need a major energy source to make it attractive to new businesses but it's a catch 22, because the corruption and civil wars make it unattractive. The Inga Dam is being backed by the World Bank and other sources, so I would hope there would be some oversight of the project. South Africa has already agreed to buy half of the power from the first stage which in turn will help finance the completion of the dam.
Coal is King

Gilbertsville, KY

#37403 Jul 23, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Not disagreeing with you about the corruption and civil wars. One of the main problems in Africa is their open-ended aid from all over the world. This really needs to stop. We seem to keep rewarding corruption. But at the same time, Africa does need a major energy source to make it attractive to new businesses but it's a catch 22, because the corruption and civil wars make it unattractive. The Inga Dam is being backed by the World Bank and other sources, so I would hope there would be some oversight of the project. South Africa has already agreed to buy half of the power from the first stage which in turn will help finance the completion of the dam.
Nothing will ever "make Africa attractive to new businesses". As to the World Bank and "some oversight of the project" the only oversight that ever worked in Africa was European colonial rule. Even then Africa proved to be a bottomless sinkhole. Africa is a hopeless case. Write it off.

Since: Mar 09

Penrose, CO

#37404 Jul 23, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Which came first? The electricity or the manufacturing jobs? Which came first? The electricity or the crockpot?
Manufacturing jobs for sure. I believe the industrial revolution started with steam power provided by burning wood and coal.

Not sure the crockpot but am sure who is the crackpot.

Give it up. A big dam is not going to fix Africa.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37405 Jul 23, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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Nothing will ever "make Africa attractive to new businesses". As to the World Bank and "some oversight of the project" the only oversight that ever worked in Africa was European colonial rule. Even then Africa proved to be a bottomless sinkhole. Africa is a hopeless case. Write it off.
Anyway the Chinese bubble is about ready to burst, much earlier than I thought it was. So very soon they won't be buying all that black gold you guys are digging up. They have complete cities that are ghost towns, and lots of other indicators that predict their growth rate to drop by at least half.
Coal is King

Gilbertsville, KY

#37406 Jul 23, 2013
I don't like it that we are selling our coal - coal that we soon won't be allowed to burn ourselves - to China. It's like selling scrap metal to Japan was in the 1930s. They turned that scrap iron into a navy and shot it back at us.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37407 Jul 23, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing will ever "make Africa attractive to new businesses". As to the World Bank and "some oversight of the project" the only oversight that ever worked in Africa was European colonial rule. Even then Africa proved to be a bottomless sinkhole. Africa is a hopeless case. Write it off.
I believe you are right.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37408 Jul 23, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Manufacturing jobs for sure. I believe the industrial revolution started with steam power provided by burning wood and coal.
Not sure the crockpot but am sure who is the crackpot.
Give it up. A big dam is not going to fix Africa.
Well no coal plants allowed anymore and burning of wood is a no/no. So clean energy is the only thing allowed. They really don't have the option for steam power. So in their situation, the dam would be one of the few options left to provide a sufficient amount of power to the continent. But I agree with Coal is King. We should just let them do whatever they want and butt out. There is nothing we can do about the civil wars and corruption. Sending money to them is only perpetuating the system of corruption. Almost nothing gets to the people. So if they want to build a dam, go for it. Who are we to tell them what to do?

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