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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#37286 Jul 20, 2013
cavemonkey wrote:
See, I tole you so!
Be sure to file that away for future reference.
I certainly will, under the heading:
"Cavemonkey Wisdom"
Sub heading:
"Everything under the Sun can be a contaminant in the wrong place."

NB: Thermal pollutants excluded.
Retired Farmer

Princeton, KY

#37287 Jul 20, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>I noticed the non response, too. Some people just feel entitled, I suppose.
I have been too busy with things in the real world to worry about answering someone like "kristy" - who appears to be an ignoramous who is immune to facts that do not fit her narrow preconceived notions anyway.

When I get caught up and manage to get hold of copies of the Senate and House versions of the Farm Bill so that I can find out exactly what each one does and does not contain I will write up a response.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37289 Jul 20, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether its medicine, quantum physics, or sending a space probe to a distant planet. No one argues against those achievements and you know why, because it doesn't concern YOU directly. Global warming does effect you directly and clinging to one positive message in a 100 negative is not going to change the outcome. Your life style has to change and that's the bottom line. So when it comes down to the real reason the science is not accepted by the denier crowd is purely based on protecting a lifestyle of the status quo.
So every off beat theory gains statue without an ounce of credibility like those statements from Beck. Saying that God is punishing us with the weather for believing in global warming. It's God's Wrath for having those socialist ideas. Then the message of climate change is treated like the enemy at the gates.
I mean there is no answer for this stupidity and it's NOT science nor is it having an open mind. It's a sign that there is no mind at all!
It was a consensus in medicine that peptic ulcer disease was caused by excess acid in the stomach and treated as such. If we treated medicine like we treated climate science, the debate would be over and we would still be treating PUD incorrectly. In climate science, the debate is over on the "main contributor" of a warming world and there is only way to cure the patient; control CO2. But due to many scientific realizations that the climate science models have not accurately foretasted the future, such as the pause in warming for 16 years, the IPCC's next assessment report does reflect the growing uncertainty. Their new report will show the projections of temperature rises will be lowered. Why? Because there is a realization that CO2 levels do not have such a big effect as once thought due to a growing sense that climate sensitivity may have been overestimated in the past and that the science is just to uncertain. Sounds like global warming is not a "settled" science.

kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37290 Jul 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the Beatles and all but... that song doesn't really address my scenario.
Can you think of another song that might? Or, alternatively, do you have a scientific response?
My thinking on that song choice is that John Lennon wrote about his Utopia and your Utopia seems to be any worst-case scenario. That's what your post sounded like to me. You get mad when anything good happens because of a warming world, even if greening the deserts will help those who live in arid lands. Seems strange to me.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37291 Jul 20, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been too busy with things in the real world to worry about answering someone like "kristy" - who appears to be an ignoramous who is immune to facts that do not fit her narrow preconceived notions anyway.
When I get caught up and manage to get hold of copies of the Senate and House versions of the Farm Bill so that I can find out exactly what each one does and does not contain I will write up a response.
Oh lord...You wrote McConnell and told him the senate needed to compromise, so at that time, you must have known what you wanted the compromise to be. But now that I read your post, did you not read the senate version of the bill before writing McConnell? If you didn't, how can you write and ask for a compromise on bill that you don't even know what it contains?

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#37292 Jul 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
you can't acknowledge the FACT that co2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate.
confused again?
Maybe you got lost in the negatives...
show the forum your factual evidence of what co2 mitigation has done to change the climate.

if your claiming it as a FACT, son, you should be able to provide it very easily.

i'll be waiting!

LOL

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#37293 Jul 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>

Splain yourself.
you're asking the impossible from litesong. don't give him a brain cramp.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#37294 Jul 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Old men.
Southern rednecks
Northern rednecks.
Valley girls.
He's got plenty of audience.
perhaps you could provide a list of those who listen/watch al sharpton?

i can't figure that one out...
litesong

Monroe, WA

#37295 Jul 20, 2013
litesong wrote:
RF Rummel's lifetime immersion:
After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, he estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century[7] and that six times as many people have died at the hands of people working for governments than have died in battle.
He argues that there is a relation between political power and democide. Political mass murder grows increasingly common as political power becomes unconstrained.
//////////
I'm talking massacres...... where gov't, having all the power, & exercise their power fully with no enemies with weapons who can oppose them. The massive genocides unleashed by Hitler & Stalin, not even counting enemies killed in equal or uneven combat, is listed as 40-50 million dead in mere decades. Of course, Mao Tze Tung's rivers of blood amounted to 100 million dead BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES between the years 1949 to 1970.
Of course, you have read my posts of the unleashed & never headed democides by communists before. You knew what I said was true then. You know what I say is true now. Your post of startled surprise is only an act.
"middleofthedownwronggull y" wrote:
you're asking the impossible from litesong. don't give him a brain cramp.
//////////
litesong wrote:
So you don't believe in the concentrated maniacal bloodletting of communist atheistic destructors, who even widely surpassed & escalated the ravishings of Hitler.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#37296 Jul 20, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
"middleofthedownwronggull y" wrote:
you're asking the impossible from litesong. don't give him a brain cramp.
//////////
litesong wrote:
So you don't believe in the concentrated maniacal bloodletting of communist atheistic destructors, who even widely surpassed & escalated the ravishings of Hitler.
hey, dude, take your argument up with the other poster. i'm just saying that you have a problem explaining ANYTHING you claim.

i would respond specifically to your post.....but you seemed to make an interrogative sentence without a question mark. not sure where you're going....don't really care. not sure you know either to be honest.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37315 Jul 20, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>show the forum your factual evidence of what co2 mitigation has done to change the climate.
if your claiming it as a FACT, son, you should be able to provide it very easily.
i'll be waiting!
LOL
You wrote it, Lol, don't you even understand what you wrote?

Fact is, for an experiment that is impossible, observation and logic will do the trick. Too bad you're incapable of either.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37316 Jul 20, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
RF Rummel's lifetime immersion:
After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, he estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century[7] and that six times as many people have died at the hands of people working for governments than have died in battle.
He argues that there is a relation between political power and democide. Political mass murder grows increasingly common as political power becomes unconstrained.
//////////
I'm talking massacres...... where gov't, having all the power, & exercise their power fully with no enemies with weapons who can oppose them. The massive genocides unleashed by Hitler & Stalin, not even counting enemies killed in equal or uneven combat, is listed as 40-50 million dead in mere decades. Of course, Mao Tze Tung's rivers of blood amounted to 100 million dead BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES between the years 1949 to 1970.
Of course, you have read my posts of the unleashed & never headed democides by communists before. You knew what I said was true then. You know what I say is true now. Your post of startled surprise is only an act.
I was taking the whole of history, not the past century.

No, I haven't read all your posts. I know how you feel about the chicomms (never capitalized).

You might be Native-American. You live near Seattle.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37317 Jul 20, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I certainly will, under the heading:
"Cavemonkey Wisdom"
Sub heading:
"Everything under the Sun can be a contaminant in the wrong place."
NB: Thermal pollutants excluded.
Very good, Grasshoppper. Even now, in your youth, do you become wise.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37318 Jul 20, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I certainly will, under the heading:
"Cavemonkey Wisdom"
Sub heading:
"Everything under the Sun can be a contaminant in the wrong place."
NB: Thermal pollutants excluded.
But "thermal pollutant" is gaining ground.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37319 Jul 20, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
My thinking on that song choice is that John Lennon wrote about his Utopia and your Utopia seems to be any worst-case scenario. That's what your post sounded like to me. You get mad when anything good happens because of a warming world, even if greening the deserts will help those who live in arid lands. Seems strange to me.
No, I'll be glad for anything good that comes out of it, but it appears the negative will outweigh the positive.

That's the realistic estimate.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#37320 Jul 20, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote it, Lol, don't you even understand what you wrote?
Fact is, for an experiment that is impossible, observation and logic will do the trick. Too bad you're incapable of either.
apparently i'm much more skilled in that department than you, son.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37321 Jul 20, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a consensus in medicine that peptic ulcer disease was caused by excess acid in the stomach and treated as such. If we treated medicine like we treated climate science, the debate would be over and we would still be treating PUD incorrectly. In climate science, the debate is over on the "main contributor" of a warming world and there is only way to cure the patient; control CO2. But due to many scientific realizations that the climate science models have not accurately foretasted the future, such as the pause in warming for 16 years, the IPCC's next assessment report does reflect the growing uncertainty. Their new report will show the projections of temperature rises will be lowered. Why? Because there is a realization that CO2 levels do not have such a big effect as once thought due to a growing sense that climate sensitivity may have been overestimated in the past and that the science is just to uncertain. Sounds like global warming is not a "settled" science.
I would have to assume by this that when the Atom bomb was invented and you were told "this bomb could destroy a whole city but so far it's only a theory." and then you roll your eyes in disbelief. You would also be one of those "Well lets just try it and see". With climate deniers they are saying exactly the same thing!
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37322 Jul 21, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>apparently i'm much more skilled in that department than you, son.
Not hardly. YOU wrote:

"Actually, son, your crowd invents bad news! You 'celebrate' every natural disaster with a "see-see" attitude. YET.....you can't acknowledge the FACT that co2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate."

Let me translate. What you said was "CO2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate."

Read it real slow again. And maybe again.

"Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind of lie"...ah, if only you were intellectual; you could participate.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#37336 Jul 21, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hardly. YOU wrote:
"Actually, son, your crowd invents bad news! You 'celebrate' every natural disaster with a "see-see" attitude. YET.....you can't acknowledge the FACT that co2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate."
Let me translate. What you said was "CO2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate."
Read it real slow again. And maybe again.
"Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind of lie"...ah, if only you were intellectual; you could participate.
LOL.....and you still don't get it, do you,'genius'?!?!

bwaahahhaahaahaaa

read it and comprehend, son.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37360 Jul 21, 2013
In his latest newsletter, legendary fund manager Jeremy Grantham - who made billions predicting every major stock market bubble of recent decades - warns that cheap resources are history:

"Our global economy, reckless in its use of all resources and natural systems, shows many of the indicators of potential failure that brought down so many civilisations before ours."

Industrial civilisation is currently "completely dependent on the availability of cheap energy." Therefore, resource depletion combined with "the wild cards of rising temperatures, slowly rising sea levels, ocean acidification, and, above all, destabilised weather for farming" could lead to "a rolling collapse of much of civilisation" - unless the world embarks on a "Manhattan project level of commitment" to transition to an alternative energy and agricultural system.

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