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kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37258 Jul 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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For a start Beck declared Obama as the new Hitler in disguise and all those that follow the same blind sheep that followed the Nazi party in WW2.
or "The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005
or "Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization...And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did. That's what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing]." –"The Glenn Beck Program," May 1, 2007
There are 100's of other gems like this suggesting he is not of sound mind to be able to broadcast these messages to the masses.
As for an open mind to the science, logic and pure common sense should tell you. Given there are 100 bad things predicted and one good thing, which one would you feel you need to act on ?
Yet this is what deniers base their entire argument on, that one positive against a hundred negative as a reason not to act. So who is really being stupid here.
Good lord, between retired farmer being in shock that he got a form a letter from a senator and you being so offended that Glenn Beck called the president Hitler, it makes one wonder if you are really aware of what happens outside of your bubble. Let’s see, just a partial list of the “unsound people” who called Bush Hitler includes George Soros, Barbara Streisand, RJF Jr., Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Keith Ellison, Keith Olbermann. They called Bush Hitler for starting 2 wars, enacting the Patriot Act, and for torture, Gitmo, recess appointments and using executive orders. Obama comes into presidency keeps the Patriot Act and expands it, has a kill list, keeps Gitmo open, bypasses congress through regulations and executive orders, uses the recess appointments, goes after whistleblowers more than all the Presidents combined, is the least transparent, secretly goes after reporter’s phone records and the Huffington Post even ran a headline called “George W. Obama.” So in reality, Glenn Beck is just agreeing with all those “unsound” people who said Bush was Hitler because Obama is just an extension of Bush.

You always claim that people should have an open mind, but I guess it’s only limited to views you agree with. So good job smearing people you don’t like. It was brilliant posting that Katrina quote. What was really brilliant was not showing everything that was said in relation to the quote and really brilliant not telling everyone where Beck was and what he was doing at the time he said it. Good job.

And another brilliant move of attacking the messenger regarding Al Gore and globalization. Is Glenn Beck like your squirrel to detract from what is being said in the real world or do you just really live in your bubble? Regarding the passage of the climate bill in the house in 2009, Gore said this: But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements. Gore isn’t the only one that has talked of global government, but that’s the one you brought up.

Regarding the 100 bad things, like you said “predicted.” But it’s funny weird that everything that is predicted is end of the world stuff and nothing positive. The warming has come to a standstill, which was never “predicted” by the computer models. We are bombarded that extreme weather is increasing, but no one has shown any quantitative basis or scientific study to back it up. There has been no pattern of increased hurricanes, tornados, fires, droughts, etc. But every tragedy is celebrated as if global warming is the cause. Very strange.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37259 Jul 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just suppose that the temperature difference was not that great between the North Pacific and the jet stream. And just suppose that meant that the winds driven by the jet stream didn't pick up as much moisture. Suppose that meant that less water precipitated out over the Rockies and less snow fell. And suppose that smaller amount of moisture didn't get augmented by picking up moisture from those same mountains. And just suppose that lead to less rain on the Great Plains.
Now what do you suppose might happen?
I don't know why but this is what I thought of when I read your post:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#37260 Jul 19, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
Not one specifies CO2 as a contaminant.<quoted text>"Title: New Sorbents to Control CO2 and Multi-Contaminant Emissions"<quoted text>"... CO2 leaks drive contaminants up ..."
The "contaminats" don't include CO2.<quoted text>No mention of "contaminant" in that article.<quoted text>CO2 "contaminates" mud.
How serious is that?
You "contaminate" by breathing, moving, touching and evacuating waste products.<quoted text>CO2 "contaminates" gas.
If this is you point, everything on the planet can be classed as a contaminant if introduced into the wrong place, so be careful where you play, never forget the playground is next to the waste disposal unit.
Usually if something natural is a pollutant or contaminant, there is an unsafe level limit given, but it seems 350 was pulled out of a hat. Right now in offices and homes the CO2 level is usually 1000.

“We stole the Statue of Liberty”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#37261 Jul 19, 2013
Have we landed
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#37262 Jul 19, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>So I've heard, you have my pity, I hope it doesn't cause you too much pain.
Oh, wow. That stings (NOT). Best you can do? Had to get a ghost writer?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#37263 Jul 19, 2013
Rolo Minion wrote:
Have we landed
Not yet, you'll feel a slight bump when we do.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#37270 Jul 19, 2013
krusty wrote:
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
The greatest & most concentrated massacres on the face of the Earth were caused by atheists. The Beattles knew this & still wrote songs saying otherwise.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#37271 Jul 19, 2013
krusty wrote:
Right now in offices and homes the CO2 level is usually 1000.
But some areas go to 3000ppm & are already affecting human performance. The worst toxic(in truth) topix AGW deniers are demanding raises in atmospheric CO2 beyond 1000 ppms.

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/feature-stories/201...

The worst toxic topix AGW deniers are NOT scientists & never could be scientists, but demand allegiance to their words.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37273 Jul 19, 2013
kristy wrote:
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....... Gore isn’t the only one that has talked of global government, but that’s the one you brought up.
Regarding the 100 bad things, like you said “predicted.” But it’s funny weird that everything that is predicted is end of the world stuff and nothing positive. The warming has come to a standstill, which was never “predicted” by the computer models. We are bombarded that extreme weather is increasing, but no one has shown any quantitative basis or scientific study to back it up. There has been no pattern of increased hurricanes, tornados, fires, droughts, etc. But every tragedy is celebrated as if global warming is the cause. Very strange.
I never brought that up, it was part of Glen Beck quote.
As for the 100 bad things, what is it going to take, wait until New York is under water. Well hang on that's already happened as well. So as far as your concerned we don't do anything until we start to look like Mars.
All the science has done is repeated the message beyond doubt that man is now influencing the world weather by continued emissions. That's no different than in the early days of civilisation science telling you not to flush your toilet into the river you drink from.
Whether its medicine, quantum physics, or sending a space probe to a distant planet. No one argues against those achievements and you know why, because it doesn't concern YOU directly. Global warming does effect you directly and clinging to one positive message in a 100 negative is not going to change the outcome. Your life style has to change and that's the bottom line. So when it comes down to the real reason the science is not accepted by the denier crowd is purely based on protecting a lifestyle of the status quo.
So every off beat theory gains statue without an ounce of credibility like those statements from Beck. Saying that God is punishing us with the weather for believing in global warming. It's God's Wrath for having those socialist ideas. Then the message of climate change is treated like the enemy at the gates.
I mean there is no answer for this stupidity and it's NOT science nor is it having an open mind. It's a sign that there is no mind at all!
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#37274 Jul 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
I never brought that up, it was part of Glen Beck quote.
I still have trouble believing that Glen Beck has ANY audience besides the men in the white coats..
Dont drink the koolaid

Maple Grove, MN

#37275 Jul 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're entitled to your opinion. But facts are facts.
...and for many advocates of Global Warming mitigation... Opinions are Facts. Just ask one to answer the question: Is "Future Carbon Drivem Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Climate Disruption a "Fact"?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37276 Jul 19, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, son, your crowd invents bad news! You 'celebrate' every natural disaster with a "see-see" attitude. YET.....you can't acknowledge the FACT that co2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate.
Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind of lie, son. Straighten up your act.
you can't acknowledge the FACT that co2 mitigation has been shown to change one thing about the climate.

confused again?

Maybe you got lost in the negatives...
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37277 Jul 19, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
Not one specifies CO2 as a contaminant.<quoted text>"Title: New Sorbents to Control CO2 and Multi-Contaminant Emissions"<quoted text>"... CO2 leaks drive contaminants up ..."
The "contaminats" don't include CO2.<quoted text>No mention of "contaminant" in that article.<quoted text>CO2 "contaminates" mud.
How serious is that?
You "contaminate" by breathing, moving, touching and evacuating waste products.<quoted text>CO2 "contaminates" gas.
If this is you point, everything on the planet can be classed as a contaminant if introduced into the wrong place, so be careful where you play, never forget the playground is next to the waste disposal unit.
Damn! That damn thing called logic has eluded you again!

Plus, you've suddenly lost your ability to understand English. Damn!

Whatchu smokin', boy?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37278 Jul 19, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
Yes, I was wrong, but anything can be a contaminant in the wrong place:
Theoretical study of oxygen contaminated silicon quantum dots:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
<quoted text>
See, I tole you so!

Be sure to file that away for future reference.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37279 Jul 19, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know why but this is what I thought of when I read your post:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
I like the Beatles and all but... that song doesn't really address my scenario.

Can you think of another song that might? Or, alternatively, do you have a scientific response?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37280 Jul 19, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
The greatest & most concentrated massacres on the face of the Earth were caused by atheists. The Beattles knew this & still wrote songs saying otherwise.
What?

You're insane! Surely you jest!

Christians and Muslims have killed far more.

Splain yourself.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37281 Jul 19, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
...and for many advocates of Global Warming mitigation... Opinions are Facts. Just ask one to answer the question: Is "Future Carbon Drivem Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Climate Disruption a "Fact"?
Yes.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#37282 Jul 19, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
I still have trouble believing that Glen Beck has ANY audience besides the men in the white coats..
Old men.

Southern rednecks

Northern rednecks.

Valley girls.

He's got plenty of audience.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#37283 Jul 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Old men.
Hey! I'm an old man and I cannot believe he has any audience.
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Southern rednecks
Northern rednecks.
Valley girls.
He's got plenty of audience.
You generalize too much. Most rednecks of all stripes probably are too smart for him. And why would valley girls care?

What is his attraction? He makes NO sense. Cannot deal with the facts. Isn't even very entertaining. Some may find him funny, but they could turn to the Daily Show instead. THEY at least admit that they are out for laughs..
litesong

Monroe, WA

#37284 Jul 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Christians and Muslims have killed far more.
Splain yourself.
RF Rummel's lifetime immersion:
After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, he estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century[7] and that six times as many people have died at the hands of people working for governments than have died in battle.

He argues that there is a relation between political power and democide. Political mass murder grows increasingly common as political power becomes unconstrained.
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I'm talking massacres...... where gov't, having all the power, & exercise their power fully with no enemies with weapons who can oppose them. The massive genocides unleashed by Hitler & Stalin, not even counting enemies killed in equal or uneven combat, is listed as 40-50 million dead in mere decades. Of course, Mao Tze Tung's rivers of blood amounted to 100 million dead BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN & BABIES between the years 1949 to 1970.

Of course, you have read my posts of the unleashed & never headed democides by communists before. You knew what I said was true then. You know what I say is true now. Your post of startled surprise is only an act.

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