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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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You don't know shit about me, ol limey. My main advantage over most of your friends here is that I can read and understand.
Yes, I am a carpenter, and damn proud of it. I can build anything but a silk purse and fix anything but a broken heart. I am as skilled with my hands as I am with my mind. I can create!
My resume' also includes general contractor, sculptor, musician, actor, writer, building designer, and humorist, among other talents.
Like I also can make a rich woman beg, make a good woman steal, make an old woman blush, and make a young girl squeal.
What are you go at, ex-civil servant? Pushing a pen? Shuffling papers? Drinking tea even when it isn't tea time? Are you someone who knows better than others about climate science?
No need to reply, I know the answer.Ö¿Ö
What are you good at, ex-civil servant?
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I can't disagree more with King Coal about education but I see his point about coal. I can't see any point in shutting down our coal fired electric power plants. Other countries are busy building new ones. Two-thirds of the barges that we push down to New Orleans are loaded with coal. Most of the time that's all there is in the tow. It goes to China.

http://www.platts.com/latest-news/coal/Miami/...

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I can't disagree more with King Coal about education but I see his point about coal. I can't see any point in shutting down our coal fired electric power plants. Other countries are busy building new ones. Two-thirds of the barges that we push down to New Orleans are loaded with coal. Most of the time that's all there is in the tow. It goes to China.
http://www.platts.com/latest-news/coal/Miami/...
You guys from the right have made GW into a political issue, its not!
If you want to continue with the capitalist system then you go along with its evolution. Capitalism is great for building countries from nothing but when birth rates slow and growth slows it looks elsewhere to make profits. Hence globalisation evolved which saw the end of most steel works in America, all clothing manufacturing, white goods, household goods, even the computer manufacturing industry moved off shore there are a endless list of business that have closed their doors to manufacture elsewhere. The other thing that capitalism does when growth slows is feed on itself, bigger guys eat the lil guys and it runs through everything. Even the banking system where the big guys have become so big they can't be allowed to fail. Yet here you are saying the fossil fuel business is different. Once that is phased out coal towns will end up the same way as the rust belt. Either evolve to survive or die, that's basically it. If you don't like this picture it's a bit late to change raw capitalism that gave you this success. This is the problem with the republican party of today, they want to bring back "Pleasantville" stuck in the 1950's like ground hog day. It just is not possible with the system that we rely on now to build economies.
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You guys from the right have made GW into a political issue, its not!
If you want to continue with the capitalist system then you go along with its evolution. Capitalism is great for building countries from nothing but when birth rates slow and growth slows it looks elsewhere to make profits. Hence globalisation evolved which saw the end of most steel works in America, all clothing manufacturing, white goods, household goods, even the computer manufacturing industry moved off shore there are a endless list of business that have closed their doors to manufacture elsewhere. The other thing that capitalism does when growth slows is feed on itself, bigger guys eat the lil guys and it runs through everything. Even the banking system where the big guys have become so big they can't be allowed to fail. Yet here you are saying the fossil fuel business is different. Once that is phased out coal towns will end up the same way as the rust belt. Either evolve to survive or die, that's basically it. If you don't like this picture it's a bit late to change raw capitalism that gave you this success. This is the problem with the republican party of today, they want to bring back "Pleasantville" stuck in the 1950's like ground hog day. It just is not possible with the system that we rely on now to build economies.
But what's the difference in CO2 that goes up a smokestack in China and CO2 that goes up a smokestack in the USA? Why do we have to pay the price and China reap the benefits of cheap electricity from coal? It looks like Obama is shutting down our coal fired power plants just to send a message, a message that the Chinese are just going to smile, nod, and ignore.
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And by the way, I'm a Democrat. I had my reservations about Obama on some things, but I voted for him. I thought he would do all that he could to help working people. Now, I feel betrayed.
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Bargeman wrote:
I can't disagree more with King Coal about education but I see his point about coal. I can't see any point in shutting down our coal fired electric power plants. Other countries are busy building new ones. Two-thirds of the barges that we push down to New Orleans are loaded with coal. Most of the time that's all there is in the tow. It goes to China.
http://www.platts.com/latest-news/coal/Miami/...
Our coal plants won't shut down until there's a way to carry their load. No one is going to go without the juice they need.

China is pursuing alternative energy more aggressively than we are. They have realized that coal is too expensive, both economically and for the health of its citizens.

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But what's the difference in CO2 that goes up a smokestack in China and CO2 that goes up a smokestack in the USA? Why do we have to pay the price and China reap the benefits of cheap electricity from coal? It looks like Obama is shutting down our coal fired power plants just to send a message, a message that the Chinese are just going to smile, nod, and ignore.
You need to ask the government that, had the USA signed Kyoto China would not be able to keep the smoke stacks going everywhere. They are in the evolution of change right now, but the fossil fuel lobby plays a powerful part with government. The longer it's left for developing countries to keep a no holds barred on emissions the more pain for the USA and the rest of the West later. The country that does it first will have the economic advantage. China will do it as well, they get the same weather the US does, they are under water right now.
The more extreme weather that happens in the coming years the quicker the policies will change. It's just a pity it had to come to that. We knew the answers long ago. If the UN has the balls to make the decision on emissions then rogue states that don't want to comply will not be traded with simple as that. That's the easy answer.

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Yeah, coal fields and oil won't shut down overnight like flicking a light switch. But tax payers money should not be going to finding new oil fields or coal mines when it would be better directed to finding a way to burn it clean first. That's part of the evolution, trouble is the West cut back on its energy consumption only to shift it to Asia which was a waste of time. The total output only keeps increasing. Mainly driven by Western consumerism and that same consumerism evolving in those developing countries.
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Yeah, coal fields and oil won't shut down overnight like flicking a light switch. But tax payers money should not be going to finding new oil fields or coal mines when it would be better directed to finding a way to burn it clean first. That's part of the evolution, trouble is the West cut back on its energy consumption only to shift it to Asia which was a waste of time. The total output only keeps increasing. Mainly driven by Western consumerism and that same consumerism evolving in those developing countries.
It seems like you and the think-they're-rich-but-ain't Tea Party types that rule the roost here are two sides of the same coin. You are down on "Western consumerism" from an old 60s hippie perspective. They're of the opinion that poor folks should work harder for less money, have a much lower standard of living, and be happy about it. Well, you should both be happy. It's happening, problem is the the poor working folks ain't happy. They're mad as hell. Most of them direct that anger at Obama because, well, he's the president. He's not doing anything to make friends south of the Ohio River either. Next after Social Security the TVA and rural electrification was FDR's greatest legacy, and now Obama is proposing to sell it to a private power company! That makes it seem like he's trying to punish the south. Everything that he does seems like he's deliberately pushing the poor whites in rural areas into the arms of the "free market" types who want to turn the clock back to where were were 100 years ago.

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It seems like you and the think-they're-rich-but-ain't Tea Party types that rule the roost here are two sides of the same coin. You are down on "Western consumerism" from an old 60s hippie perspective. They're of the opinion that poor folks should work harder for less money, have a much lower standard of living, and be happy about it. Well, you should both be happy. It's happening, problem is the the poor working folks ain't happy. They're mad as hell. Most of them direct that anger at Obama because, well, he's the president. He's not doing anything to make friends south of the Ohio River either. Next after Social Security the TVA and rural electrification was FDR's greatest legacy, and now Obama is proposing to sell it to a private power company! That makes it seem like he's trying to punish the south. Everything that he does seems like he's deliberately pushing the poor whites in rural areas into the arms of the "free market" types who want to turn the clock back to where were were 100 years ago.
Man you really went off on a tangent with that one. If you have a congress that can't agree on the time of day then it's not going to function that well is it ? Capitalism is what built the US but it can also be its downfall if not controlled. Consumerism is not just about rich ppl spending money its about everyone spending, that's how an economy prospers. So Tea Party types want NO control, its everyone for themselves. Which is kinda ironic as most right wing tea party types in the south are dependant on social security the very thing they say they are against. Climate change is just like any other evolution in mankind's history. When we got sick of living in caves we started inventing $hit and that caused quantum shifts in how we do things. From the auto mobile replacing the horse to landing man on the moon. It all gave us other tools to move in many directions, arguing against climate change is no different than someone trying to stop the industrial revolution. It has to happen, yet you want to label government ruling over the fossil fuel industry as going backwards. I don't think so

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My resume' also includes general contractor, sculptor, musician, actor, writer, building designer, and humorist, among other talents.
Like I also can make a rich woman beg, make a good woman steal, make an old woman blush, and make a young girl squeal.
Thanks for admitting to having no experience in climatology.
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What are you go at, ex-civil servant? Pushing a pen? Shuffling papers?
Never did get round to doing office work, it was all manual, but I must have been good at it to manage to retire myself in 1988, aged 47.Ö¿Ö
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If you read what OzRitz says, you'll see the real motive behind Obama's and the liberals' War on Coal:

"China is pursuing alternative energy more aggressively than we are. They have realized that coal is too expensive, both economically and for the health of its citizens."

They are liars. China is opening a new coal fired power plant every two weeks.

"Once [coal] is phased out coal towns will end up the same way as the rust belt. Either evolve to survive or die, that's basically it. If you don't like this picture it's a bit late to change raw capitalism that gave you this success."

They are socialists. They hate capitalism and free enterprise. They want our coal towns to go the way of the steel mill towns and great industrial centers, the way of Detroit, the way of Chicago.

"If the UN has the balls to make the decision on emissions then rogue states that don't want to comply will not be traded with simple as that. That's the easy answer."

They are internationalists who want to hand our national sovereignty over to the UN. I say get the U.S. out of the UN and kick the UN out of New York!
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Man you really went off on a tangent with that one. If you have a congress that can't agree on the time of day then it's not going to function that well is it ? Capitalism is what built the US but it can also be its downfall if not controlled. Consumerism is not just about rich ppl spending money its about everyone spending, that's how an economy prospers. So Tea Party types want NO control, its everyone for themselves. Which is kinda ironic as most right wing tea party types in the south are dependant on social security the very thing they say they are against. Climate change is just like any other evolution in mankind's history. When we got sick of living in caves we started inventing $hit and that caused quantum shifts in how we do things. From the auto mobile replacing the horse to landing man on the moon. It all gave us other tools to move in many directions, arguing against climate change is no different than someone trying to stop the industrial revolution. It has to happen, yet you want to label government ruling over the fossil fuel industry as going backwards. I don't think so
OBAMA! destroying the country, becoming a dictator...LOL!

The President, any president, is only one man. They seem to have forgotten the construction of our democratic system. You know, that checks and balances part?

Obama began by offering a hand of friendship when he took office. It pretty much got chopped off. Ever since then he's been fighting with his remaining hand and some have interpreted that as weakness. This Congress, and especially its Republican side, has the lowest rating of any in history. They are obstructionist to the point of endangering the health of the American economy, even the country's security. They are traitors, every one.

Hundred of dissertations have been written on all the things that have gotten America to this point; on credit, media, consumerism, race, resources; far too complicated to be covered here. Suffice it to say that a change is coming, we have brought it on, and we can make it hard or we can make it...less hard.
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And by the way, I'm a Democrat, voted for him(Obama). I feel betrayed.
...... as opposed to re-pubic-lick-uns, which are true to their masters(richer re-pubic-lick-un CEOs).
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If you read what OzRitz says, you'll see the real motive behind Obama's and the liberals' War on Coal:
"China is pursuing alternative energy more aggressively than we are. They have realized that coal is too expensive, both economically and for the health of its citizens."
They are liars. China is opening a new coal fired power plant every two weeks.
"Once [coal] is phased out coal towns will end up the same way as the rust belt. Either evolve to survive or die, that's basically it. If you don't like this picture it's a bit late to change raw capitalism that gave you this success."
They are socialists. They hate capitalism and free enterprise. They want our coal towns to go the way of the steel mill towns and great industrial centers, the way of Detroit, the way of Chicago.
"If the UN has the balls to make the decision on emissions then rogue states that don't want to comply will not be traded with simple as that. That's the easy answer."
They are internationalists who want to hand our national sovereignty over to the UN. I say get the U.S. out of the UN and kick the UN out of New York!
That was me, not Oritz, on the coal plants. It's true that the Chi-Comms have been building coal plants but as I said and you're to blinded by ideology to read, they are pursuing alternatives more aggressively than we are.

For you to say that the President, or his side, is intentionally destroying a section of the country is really beyond comment, other than pointing out what a dumass you are.

This is the kind of stuff we used to promote when I was in the John Birch Society, at age 14. Fortunately, I grew out of it. Apparently, you haven't.
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I must have been good at it......
You are many times better, at being a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
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[QUOTE who="OzRitz" Capitalism is what built the US......[/QUOTE]

Nah..... Seeing the worst of euros, unions saw the need for equitable pie sizes, & worked & suffered to make it so. Other aspects, based on fairness & Christian principles toward the disenfranchised, expanded the ideals that we are in this life together.

However, many americans didn't believe such, killing Native Tribes, enslaving blacks, continued suppression of women, & not give political & sustaining rights to the poor.

We have fought wars & even our most savage war was the Civil War.

Capitalism may have helped pick up pieces, after the savageries we have visited upon ourselves & the Peoples of the World, but it is Fairness that has made america, despite the many who want Fairness rubbed into the ground & buried.
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That was me, not Oritz, on the coal plants. It's true that the Chi-Comms have been building coal plants but as I said and you're to blinded by ideology to read, they are pursuing alternatives more aggressively than we are.
For you to say that the President, or his side, is intentionally destroying a section of the country is really beyond comment, other than pointing out what a dumass you are.
This is the kind of stuff we used to promote when I was in the John Birch Society, at age 14. Fortunately, I grew out of it. Apparently, you haven't.
If you think solar power will or can succeed either technology wise or economically I got one word for you: Solyndra.

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If you think solar power will or can succeed either technology wise or economically I got one word for you: Solyndra.
Only one?
What about Sun Concept, Ampulse, Evergreen and a few other smaller outfits?
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If you think solar power will or can succeed either technology wise or economically I got one word for you: Solyndra.
You need to get your head out of Fox's ass.

One word for you: Germany.

Here's more words:

America’s solar market has broken through the clouds to shine as only the fourth nation to pass the 10 gigawatts (GW) installed solar capacity milestone.

Fast-growing solar photovoltaic (PV) deployment levels since 2010 pushed the US into the ultra-exclusive 10 GW club, reports NPD Solarbuzz in the latest North America PV Market Quarterly report.

“The US has now joined an elite group of maturing solar PV markets,” said Christopher Sunsong of NPD Solarbuzz.“Only Germany, Italy, and China have more installed PV capacity than the US.”

Solar PV has become one of America’s fastest-growing energy sources in recent years. NPD reports the solar PV market has expanded at a compound annual growth rate of 50% since 2007, and 83% of the 10 GW capacity was installed within the past 14 quarters. During the first half of 2013, more than 1.8 GW of new solar PV capacity was installed in the US.

-Clean Technica

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