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“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#36930 Jul 11, 2013
My solar water heater panel is at ground level for ease of maintenance.
My "adobe abode" couldn't take the strain.

Am I "for it or agin" what?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#36931 Jul 11, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
My solar water heater panel is at ground level for ease of maintenance.
My "adobe abode" couldn't take the strain.
Am I "for it or agin" what?
Another fossil fuel hypocrite. Taking the advantages of green energy for himself while promoting dirty fuels for everyone else (must have a LOT of fossil fuel stocks)
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#36932 Jul 11, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty good for something that never will or can succeed, huh?
FYI, I've been heating my water for years with passive solar. Last year, the 8 picture windows on the SE side of my new passive solar house kept us warm with only two small space heaters to supplement.
Solar works. Coal is on the way out, and that has little to do with politics, but more with economics.
You live in warm sunny Mississippi. Care to bet on how warm those "8 picture windows on the SE side" would keep your new passive solar house in North Dakota?

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36933 Jul 11, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty good for something that never will or can succeed, huh?
FYI, I've been heating my water for years with passive solar. Last year, the 8 picture windows on the SE side of my new passive solar house kept us warm with only two small space heaters to supplement.
Solar works. Coal is on the way out, and that has little to do with politics, but more with economics.
Space heaters are so dangerous....and trailer trashy.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36934 Jul 11, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
If you read what OzRitz says, you'll see the real motive behind Obama's and the liberals' War on Coal:
"China is pursuing alternative energy more aggressively than we are. They have realized that coal is too expensive, both economically and for the health of its citizens."
They are liars. China is opening a new coal fired power plant every two weeks.
"Once [coal] is phased out coal towns will end up the same way as the rust belt. Either evolve to survive or die, that's basically it. If you don't like this picture it's a bit late to change raw capitalism that gave you this success."
They are socialists. They hate capitalism and free enterprise. They want our coal towns to go the way of the steel mill towns and great industrial centers, the way of Detroit, the way of Chicago.
"If the UN has the balls to make the decision on emissions then rogue states that don't want to comply will not be traded with simple as that. That's the easy answer."
They are internationalists who want to hand our national sovereignty over to the UN. I say get the U.S. out of the UN and kick the UN out of New York!
Please give me a break! I haven't mentioned socialism once. If you want to know why the Steel towns closed or Levi's stopped making jeans in the US you better ask your icon Ronnie Reagan. He was in power when the mass shift to Asia started happening. This is Capitalism at its finest as his administration would put it and it just kept building like a tsunami with companies moving manufacturing off shore. I remember talking to an engineer at Boeing at the time who just lost work because Boeing signed a contract with China to build parts of aircraft there instead of the US. So why weren't you labelling Ronnie and those who followed socialist as well ?

Now you want to complain about the UN ruling the world, well fact is read my first paragraph, that is not socialism losing jobs it is "Capitalism" none of which you voted for. You elect a government to look after your interests but in the broader sense the Country's interest overrides yours. If the Government had no rules, then leaving it to the free market would mean the end goal in capitalism is one big corporation owns everything. The Walmart juggernaut is a typical example of that. Competition gets driven out until there are no choices any more. Then they dictate your loans, how much you pay for goods & services and virtually control your life much much more than any government could hope to. So be careful what you wish for, there is a high price to pay for cheap.
Just because a government may make a rule that has a negative effect on your lil patch of the world doesn't mean it has the same effect on the populous as a whole. Those rules are supposed to be made to protect the country's interest, not "Apple's" or the "John Doe's" of this world and it is NOT socialism it's government doing what you elected them to do.
You tell me what is the point of electing a congress that just says "NO" to everything, may as well just have a dictator running the place more will get done.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36935 Jul 11, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think solar power will or can succeed either technology wise or economically I got one word for you: Solyndra.
I have a whole pile of words for you, Fannie Mae, AIG, Bank of America, Lehman Bros, GM, etc etc etc. All of which made Solyndra look like lose change. Compared to the hit American taxpayers took with a free market that had its rules of operation taken away by that icon Ronnie in the interest of cutting red tape of course. We don't want rules slowing business down, that's socialism. The free market will always the right thing, of course they will!

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36936 Jul 11, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the two-faced old fart who claims
good thing those "friends" who consider you courteous and professional don't see your real side, huh?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36938 Jul 11, 2013
News: For the Coal Man
The United States and China agreed Wednesday to tighten pollution standards on heavy trucks, boost energy efficiency in buildings and take a series of other steps to curb greenhouse-gas emissions in the world’s top two polluting countries.

A working group of officials from the two nations was established in April, with orders from the tops of both governments to intensify cooperation on global warming. Environmental activists say this holds immense potential because of the combined size and influence of the two nations — at a time when countries are struggling to agree on a global strategy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/econom...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#36939 Jul 11, 2013
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Another fossil fuel hypocrite. Taking the advantages of green energy for himself while promoting dirty fuels for everyone else (must have a LOT of fossil fuel stocks)
Show me where I have ever 'promoted' "dirty fuel" outside of your twisted imagination, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?

I never call anyone a liar, but on this occasion, I must make an exception.
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#36940 Jul 12, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
You live in warm sunny Mississippi. Care to bet on how warm those "8 picture windows on the SE side" would keep your new passive solar house in North Dakota?
Must work pretty well:

Below is a brief listing of solar activities supported by the ND Dept. of Commerce/Division of Community Services:

Photovoltaic lighting systems for signs at Cross Ranch State Park, Turtle River State Park, and the State Hospital in Jamestown;
A photovoltaic water pumping system at the Cross Ranch State Park;
A demonstration project on solar thermal and hot water systems for homes assisted by the ND Weatherization program;
Passive solar designs for homes constructed by the Bismarck State College carpentry program; and
Sponsorship of solar race teams from the University of North Dakota and North Dakota State University

I understand they grow tomatoes all year round in Massachusetts, which is about the same latitude. There are passive solar buildings in Alaska, Canada, Germany, Sweden and many other higher latitude locations more northerly than North Dakota.

Why don't you try it? You might like it.

Also, maybe you should try not to comment on something when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36941 Jul 12, 2013
Well, back from my trip out West. I see you boys tried to start Civil War II - or was it World War III?- while I was gone.
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#36942 Jul 12, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Space heaters are so dangerous....and trailer trashy.
I use the oil type, thank you.

I'll have the gas heater installed by winter.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#36943 Jul 12, 2013
cavemonkey wrote:
I use the oil type ...
I was using the oil type in my workshop in the 80s.
cavemonkey wrote:
I'll have the gas heater installed by winter.
Hey, monkey, it's 2013, not 1950.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#36944 Jul 12, 2013
[QUOTE who="ol' king coal was a wornout sole"]You live in warm sunny Mississippi.......passive solar house in North Dakota?[/QUOTE]

"ol' king coal was a wornout sole" has a compass on its nose.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36945 Jul 12, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I use the oil type, thank you.
I'll have the gas heater installed by winter.
natural gas or propane?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36946 Jul 12, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
Well, back from my trip out West. I see you boys tried to start Civil War II - or was it World War III?- while I was gone.
No it was just a squirmish at the borders. The coal industry trying to defend the status quo and keep doing what they always have but we do have a new word for measures against global warming, "socialism"
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36947 Jul 12, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I was using the oil type in my workshop in the 80s.
<quoted text>Hey, monkey, it's 2013, not 1950.
Again, what is your point?

I use the electric type that heats the oil for slow radiation. Not a fire hazard as far as I know. Not an oil burning shop heater; I have a house.

1950? Propane gas, dirt, it's all the rage now. What does 1950 have to do with it?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36948 Jul 12, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
No it was just a squirmish at the borders. The coal industry trying to defend the status quo and keep doing what they always have but we do have a new word for measures against global warming, "socialism"
I've heard of that! Isn't it bad?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36949 Jul 12, 2013
I'm feeling Soso tonight.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36950 Jul 12, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I've heard of that! Isn't it bad?
It's exactly how the right hijacked the science and turned it into a political argument. I saw a post on another forum saying McCain is a RINO. Republican in name only, hell they even branded him a socialist. lol No sense in being rational these days.

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