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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36876 Jul 9, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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Your precious "Pigovian" tax is well named because it's pure hogshit.
Or maybe not. I was at a Tea Party rally not long ago and the speaker used an argument just like your glue factory example to make his case that we are giving too many people too much education at taxpayer expense.
Make up your mind.

Tea Party, LOL. You're behind the times with that one too.

Yes, too much education! LOL! That's the problem! For God's sake, we don't want people to know too much!

Got ignorance?
litesong

Everett, WA

#36877 Jul 9, 2013
[QUOTE who="ol' king coal was a worn out sole of a shoe"]....liberal....poli cies .... middle class people to poverty.[/QUOTE]

In truth, re-pubic-lick-uns transfer the lower middle class into poverty, with their emphasis on giving rich people tax breaks, & breaking unions, which created a large & strong middle class. During the presidency of Reagan, who busted unions, a full 10% of the middle class was transferred into poverty.
litesong

Everett, WA

#36878 Jul 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Did you know that China turns out about 300,000 engineers a year? Where do they all go?
There would be plenty of jobs for engineers in the USA if..... mainly Repulicunts, would get off the budget bullshit ....
1. repairing and improving civil infrastructure
3. funding more research and development of alternative energy and fuels.
re-pubic-lick-uns never fund basic science & research. It takes away from the monies re-pubic-lick-uns send to rich people(other re-pubic-lick-uns?).

As for the 300,000 Chinese engineers, re-pubic-lick-uns always said the communist chinese(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS) education was sub-standard. The re-pubic-lick-uns were lying because they wouldn't know, since re-pubic-lick-uns seldom get engineering, science & mathematics degrees themselves.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36879 Jul 9, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
Your precious "Pigovian" tax is well named because it's pure hogshit.
Or maybe not. I was at a Tea Party rally not long ago and the speaker used an argument just like your glue factory example to make his case that we are giving too many people too much education at taxpayer expense.
I see, another uneducated Tea Party radical. Anti education, anti science, anti tax, anti Social Security, anti government, anti gays, anti abortion, anti arts, anti, anti, anti.....

What do you stand FOR? Don't give me the crap about standing for the Constitution or the American Flag because you do not understand what they mean. You need to get some education. Oh yeah, I forgot. You are for guns.
litesong

Everett, WA

#36880 Jul 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
I also notice you've got a real hard-on for liberals.
I disagree. If re-pubic-lick-uns got hard-ons, their numbers wouldn't be decreasing percentage-wise.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36881 Jul 9, 2013
Where is all the heat going if there is such a thing as global warming?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/gr...

The deep ocean.
Coal is King

Kuttawa, KY

#36882 Jul 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Did you know that China turns out about 300,000 engineers a year? Where do they all go?
China's economy and educational system is about where ours was 100 years ago. This is what Wikipedia says about education in China:

"The Law on Nine-Year Compulsory Education, which took effect on July 1, 1986, established requirements and deadlines for attaining universal education tailored to local conditions and guaranteed school-age children the right to receive at least nine years of education (six-year primary education and three years secondary education). The compulsory education law divided China into three categories: cities and economically developed areas in coastal provinces and a small number of developed areas in the hinterland; towns and villages with medium development; and economically backward areas.

By November 1985 the first category - the larger cities and approximately 20 percent of the counties (mainly in the more developed coastal and southeastern areas of China) had achieved universal 9-year education. By 1990 cities, economically developed areas in coastal provincial-level units, and a small number of developed interior areas (approximately 25 percent of China's population) and areas where junior middle schools were already popularized were targeted to have universal junior-middle-school education. Education planners had envisioned that by the mid-1990s all workers and staff in coastal areas, inland cities, and moderately developed areas (with a combined population of 300 million to 400 million people) would have either compulsory 9-year or vocational education and that 5 percent of the people in these areas would have a college education - building a solid intellectual foundation for China. Further, the planners expected that secondary education and university entrants would also have increased by the year 2000.

The second category targeted under the 9-year compulsory education law consisted of towns and villages with medium-level development (around 50 percent of China's population), where universal education was expected to reach the junior-middle-school level by 1995. Technical and higher education was projected to develop at the same rate.

The third category, economically backward (rural) areas (around 25 percent of China's population ) were to popularize basic education without a timetable and at various levels according to local economic development, though the state would try to support educational development. The state also would assist education in minority nationality areas. In the past, rural areas, which lacked a standardized and universal primary education system, had produced generations of illiterates; only 60 percent of their primary school graduates had met established standards.

Tuition-free primary education is, despite compulsory education laws, still a target rather than a realized goal throughout China. As many families have difficulty paying school fees, some children are forced to leave school earlier than the nine-year goal."
Coal is King

Kuttawa, KY

#36883 Jul 9, 2013
Now read what Wikipedia has to say about education in the U.S.A.:

"In 2005, the proportion of the [U.S.] population having finished high school and the percentage of those having earned bachelor's degrees remained at an all-time high, while the growth in both categories has slowed down over the past two decades. The vast majority of the population, 85.2%, had finished high school and nearly a quarter, 22%, had earned a Bachelor's degree. The percentage of both college and high school graduates continued to increase since 2000."

In sheer numbers, yes China graduates 300,000 new engineers every year. But in proportion to their total population compared to the U.S.A. 300,000 is not that many. Note that only 5 percent of all Chinese are expected to get a college degree of any kind. In the U.S.A. 22 percent of the population has a bachelor's degree. In the U.S.A., over 85 percent of the population finished 12 years of schooling. In China the goal is only 9 years. China also stresses vocational and technical training to produce laborers. College is limited. Our system, on the other hand, operates on the premise that every kid should go to college.

China's economy is growing rapidly. China is building industries that actually make things. They need engineers. They also need laborers and technicians to work in the factories. Their system provides that balanced mix. Our economy, on the other hand, is not building factories. We no longer make everyday goods because our economic structure has priced labor and other costs so high that we cannot compete in the world market.
litesong

Everett, WA

#36884 Jul 9, 2013
[QUOTE who="ol' king coal is a worn out sole of a shoe"]
China's economy is growing rapidly. China is building industries that actually make things. They need engineers...... Our economy, on the other hand, is not building factories. We no longer make everyday goods because our economic structure has priced labor and other costs so high that we cannot compete in the world market.[/QUOTE]

As re-pubic-lick-uns have been saying for decades, because re-pubic-lick-uns can't get science, engineering & mathematics degrees. re-pubic-lick-uns are good at business degrees........ which teach how to position themselves in businesses so they can scrape off their unfair share of company wealth, that engineers, scientists, mathematicians, developers, designers, technologists, blue-collars, secretaries, & minimum wage earners produce.
Coal is King

Kuttawa, KY

#36885 Jul 9, 2013
litesong wrote:
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As re-pubic-lick-uns...
I got news for you, Litesong-pubic-lick-er, I am blue collar.

At a community forum held at Loyola College on October 19, 1998, your hero, then state senator Barack Obama said he favored the government redistribution of wealth. Obama said he planned to mobilize welfare recipients as a voting bloc to elect far-left liberals and enact "progressive" legislation.

I and a growing number of working people just like me have reached the point that we're saying, "Hell no!" We're not going to stand idly by and let anyone tax away what we have worked hard to earn and give it to the welfare parasites. If that means we have to ally ourselves with the bosses, the people who own the places where we work and pay our wages, then we'll do it. They've got the money to pay for waging the fight and there's plenty of us working people that are willing, able, and eager to be the foot soldiers in the fight.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36886 Jul 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the charts I've seen, we have already interrupted the slide down to the next ice age.
Unless we come up with a technological miracle, it'll be a long time before the Earth hits its natural rhythm again.
And they say there are no stupid questions....
so by your own admission....and according to your latest "charts"(btw....are those astrological,son?) man made co2 that MIGHT cause temps to rise will also help in making the next ice age less severe. I'll take that trade off!!! Mankind has always accomplished more in more temperate times throughout history.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36887 Jul 9, 2013
Why do you people hate yourselves and mankind so much. Not everything man does is inherently bad, you know?
Lol
The zaniness of you brown shirts is amazing sometimes!!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36888 Jul 9, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>

I and a growing number of working people just like me have reached the point that we're saying, "Hell no!" We're not going to stand idly by and let anyone tax away what we have worked hard to earn and give it to the welfare parasites. If that means we have to ally ourselves with the bosses, the people who own the places where we work and pay our wages, then we'll do it. They've got the money to pay for waging the fight and there's plenty of us working people that are willing, able, and eager to be the foot soldiers in the fight.
That's just great. I guess that means you will work for poverty wages and abysmal working conditions.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36889 Jul 9, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
re-pubic-lick-uns never fund basic science & research. It takes away from the monies re-pubic-lick-uns send to rich people(other re-pubic-lick-uns?).
As for the 300,000 Chinese engineers, re-pubic-lick-uns always said the communist chinese(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS) education was sub-standard. The re-pubic-lick-uns were lying because they wouldn't know, since re-pubic-lick-uns seldom get engineering, science & mathematics degrees themselves.
This is the coal king ranting on about Obama trying to get a foothold in Africa saying it was a waste of money. Well guess what, some of those 300,000 Chinese engineers are working there building railways, dams, roads, and other important infrastructure. They bring in their own labor and only use the locals for the unskilled stuff. In exchange for resources, no they are not stupid plus every ally they gain gives them more influence in having super power status. But in his mind the coal fields in the south are more important.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36890 Jul 9, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That young man's life is ruined because he believed the liberal's Big Lie about education. From the very first day of first grade he was told that education was the ticket to the good life. They have posters on the doors of school rooms that tell kids if they drop out of high school they will make X amount of money, if they graduate they will make X plus Y more, if they go to college and get a degree they will make so many more times what they will make if they have only a high school diploma. Can't afford to pay for it? "No problem," the smiling liberal says. "Borrow the money and get that magic piece of paper. It's the ticket that you have to have and once you've got it it will pay for itself."
It's a lie, because truth be told the educational system is geared to turn out more graduates at every level and in every field than the economy can produce jobs for them to do.
You have it backwards about Education, no system is perfect but none the less one that gives you the opportunity to progress is a good start. Pre GFC in 2008 most of the brain drain was going into the financial sector because this is where the big money was to be made. However it turned out to be one big fraud and there was a heavy price to pay for that. Had half of those been given the same opportunity to build roads and bridges the country would have been far better off.
Education in itself is not a licence to print money but it gives you the tools to analyse and make sound judgement when needed to not only progress in life but succeed as well. As most of the global warming deniers "the ones with the loudest voices" either in the media or bloggers. Not one of them has a science based degree yet speak like they know something everyone else doesn't. Having the skills to dig holes in the ground is one thing but to work out how this black stuff got there in the first place and where it goes afterwards is quite another.
Coal is King

Kuttawa, KY

#36891 Jul 9, 2013
Right now our economy is teetering on the brink of a collapse. Everything that Obama has done has made it worse. Obamacare is hurting working people where they feel it most, in their pockets. Employers can’t afford the cost, so they are cutting people’s hours. It is not just private employers. Cities and counties can’t afford it and they are cutting hours too. Schools are cutting hours for people like janitors. The people whose hours are being cut are already the lowest paid workers. Some of the people I know who hate Obama the worst are among the poorest working people. Now the “War on Coal” will kill more jobs. Even if “Green Power” does generate new jobs, those jobs won’t materialize quick enough to offset the losses before the 2016 election.

Are working people taking a risk lining up with the Tea Party? Sure. But what choice do we have? Liberals despise our religious and moral beliefs. You’re for your welfare class power base. Working people are expected to work hard and pay the taxes to support them. What’s to become of us when we’re not useful anymore? Your plan is to force us out of work, take away all that we’ve ever worked for, and push us down into the welfare class.

By the time election day rolls around on November 8, 2016, this country is going to be in such terrible shape that people will be ready to vote for anybody who can convince them that he will set things right. No liberal Democrat will be able to do that. Even an old-fashioned “Blue Dog” won’t be able to win. Obama’s legacy will be an albatross hung round their necks.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36892 Jul 9, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Right now our economy is teetering on the brink of a collapse. Everything that Obama has done has made it worse. Obamacare is hurting working people where they feel it most, in their pockets. Employers can’t afford the cost, so they are cutting people’s hours..........
You must get different news down there in the South, or do you just listen to "Rush".

cut n paste:
"Better days might be ahead for the U.S. economy, and the latest sign could come as soon as today with the release of the May consumer credit report. It’s likely to show more consumers have taken out loans for autos and other major purchases. Friday’s jobs report was better than expected. U.S. employers have added an average 202,000 jobs for the past six months, up from 180,000 in the previous six."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2013/07/...

Fact is the US dollar$ is gaining all the time, they are backing off printing as the economy grows in strength. The China boom is slowing and besides as well as China was going they were always going to hit the wall with this one child policy. In ten years or so they will have a massive ageing population and the growth will drop dramatically. So look at the bigger picture

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36893 Jul 9, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Right now our economy is teetering on the brink of a collapse. Everything that Obama has done has made it worse. Obamacare is hurting working people where they feel it most, in their pockets. Employers can’t afford the cost, so they are cutting people’s hours. It is not just private employers. Cities and counties can’t afford it and they are cutting hours too. Schools are cutting hours for people like janitors. The people whose hours are being cut are already the lowest paid workers. Some of the people I know who hate Obama the worst are among the poorest working people. Now the “War on Coal” will kill more jobs. Even if “Green Power” does generate new jobs, those jobs won’t materialize quick enough to offset the losses before the 2016 election.
Are working people taking a risk lining up with the Tea Party? Sure. But what choice do we have? Liberals despise our religious and moral beliefs. You’re for your welfare class power base. Working people are expected to work hard and pay the taxes to support them. What’s to become of us when we’re not useful anymore? Your plan is to force us out of work, take away all that we’ve ever worked for, and push us down into the welfare class.
By the time election day rolls around on November 8, 2016, this country is going to be in such terrible shape that people will be ready to vote for anybody who can convince them that he will set things right. No liberal Democrat will be able to do that. Even an old-fashioned “Blue Dog” won’t be able to win. Obama’s legacy will be an albatross hung round their necks.
Where do you get this stuff. "Liberals despise our religious and moral beliefs." That is just not true. They just don't think that religions should force their beliefs on others(Separation of Church and State). That includes all religions, not just Christianity. A case in point was when the State of Kansas attempted to force the teaching of Creationism in science curriculum. It is religion and not science. It does not belong in the science classroom.

As far as the economy, that was set during the past administration. Excesses by banks and big businesses pushed us over the cliff because the conservatives convinced the country that if we deregulated businesses everything would be wonderful. Right now if the RW fanatics would let up on government spending we would heal faster. The greatest lack of growth is in public jobs. If they kept pace with the private sector, things would look a lot better now. It was not the welfare system that brought us to our knees, no matter what the radical media propagandizes. It was the over speculation by the private sector.

Sorry about the situation that you seem to be in. Things change and progress moves on. Some are always hurt but more are served better in the long run. Coal is an environmentally dirty fuel. Perhaps technology can clean it up so the energy will not cost us so much through environmentally. Until then, we need to slow the use. It is not President Obama's fault. Until the very recent time Republicans understood this. Even President Reagan. Now they are using the misunderstanding of the environmental costs as a political tool. They only want to get elected. They care more about this than doing what is best for mankind.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36894 Jul 9, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the coal king ranting on about Obama trying to get a foothold in Africa saying it was a waste of money. Well guess what, some of those 300,000 Chinese engineers are working there building railways, dams, roads, and other important infrastructure. They bring in their own labor and only use the locals for the unskilled stuff. In exchange for resources, no they are not stupid plus every ally they gain gives them more influence in having super power status. But in his mind the coal fields in the south are more important.
LOL....wow....just wow. you people are so......well.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36895 Jul 9, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>

As far as the economy, that was set during the past administration. Excesses by banks and big businesses pushed us over the cliff because the conservatives convinced the country that if we deregulated businesses everything would be wonderful. Right now if the RW fanatics would let up on government spending we would heal faster. The greatest lack of growth is in public jobs. If they kept pace with the private sector, things would look a lot better now. It was not the welfare system that brought us to our knees, no matter what the radical media propagandizes. It was the over speculation by the private sector.
PLEASE try to substantiate this opinionated paragraph!! I will look forward to nailing your ass to the wall with facts, reality, and data.

You people are so misguided on so many things. And the kicker is....you dumbfuques think you know it all.

Stupid brown shirt sheep.

Back it up. Prove one word. You can blame another party if that makes you feel better......I'll educate you on who and how both political parties messed up. Cowards like you look for someone to point their finger at. Cowards like you are a big part of the problem in America, son.

LOL

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