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Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#36759 Jul 3, 2013
Here are some facts for you. According to the Heritage Foundation, Obama's war on coal will:

Destroy more than 500,000 American jobs

A family of four’s annual income drops more than $1,000 per year, and its total income drops by $16,500 over the period of analysis (to 2030)

Aggregate gross domestic product (GDP) decreases by $1.47 trillion

Electricity prices rise by 20 percent

Coal-mining jobs drop 43 percent; and

Natural gas prices rise 42 percent.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013...

And even if CO2 does cause global warming, shutting down American coal fired power plants will do absolutely nothing to reduce it. India and China will go right on burning coal - and their low paid workers will do those unemployed Americans' jobs. At the very moment Obama is trying to destroy American coal, the government of India is going all out to encourage more mining and burning of coal.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#36760 Jul 3, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
According to the Heritage Foundation
Nuff said. Anyone that knows the Heritage Foundation knows they make up 'facts' to suit their audience. In case you missed it, they are INTENDED to influence people with propaganda. That is what they are PAID to do.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36761 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
<quoted text>
You picked a good name for yourself, "tha Professor." You are the personification of why the majority of ordinary Patriotic working Americans despise academic eggheads. University faculties are nothing but asylums for indoctrinated (I won't say educated) idiots, socialist holdouts who still worship at the tomb Lenin, and tree huggers who worship the great mother goddess.
You've already shown your real colors. You want to force the people of Kentucky and West Virginia off our land, out of our homes, and into urban concentration camps. You want to send the National Guard to force us to work as slaves in the mines. You said if a few of us was killed, that much the better.
Well "professor" we'd like to put all of you and all of your kind to work on an "organic" farm shoveling manure.
So, you despise academic eggheads and university faculties. I'm not surprised. I suppose if I were you, people with more intelligence and education would scare me too. And you're still in the grip of the red menace, a fear that's more than 30 years out of date.

You've already shown your true colors. You're an ignorant paranoid idiot who rejects science and history.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36763 Jul 4, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that backwards. It is those like you who hate educated folks because you feel inferior and do not have a clue about what education really is. Education by nature must be liberal. Otherwise, those like you would take us back to the dark ages.
Coal is a dirty polluting form of energy. It needs to remain underground until technology can find a way to utilize it without poisoning the Earth. The only way to do that is through education. It is for certain that ignorance will not solve our problems.
Isn't that the truth?

More education usually does make one more liberal. You see and understand how the world has come to be how it is; what works, what doesn't.

Funding has been cut because Republicunts want an ignorant voter base. They want to cut taxes, no matter what the consequences, up to and including the very destruction of the USA.

Education works; ignorance doesn't.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36764 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Here are some facts for you. According to the Heritage Foundation, Obama's war on coal will:
Destroy more than 500,000 American jobs
A family of four’s annual income drops more than $1,000 per year, and its total income drops by $16,500 over the period of analysis (to 2030)
Aggregate gross domestic product (GDP) decreases by $1.47 trillion
Electricity prices rise by 20 percent
Coal-mining jobs drop 43 percent; and
Natural gas prices rise 42 percent.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013...
And even if CO2 does cause global warming, shutting down American coal fired power plants will do absolutely nothing to reduce it. India and China will go right on burning coal - and their low paid workers will do those unemployed Americans' jobs. At the very moment Obama is trying to destroy American coal, the government of India is going all out to encourage more mining and burning of coal.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news...
The Heritage Foundation? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Why don't you give us some good research from CryBecky or Limburger, too.

LMAO!
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#36765 Jul 4, 2013
Again, typical liberal enviro-nazi responses. My authoritative source is declared illegitimate and ridiculed. Yet you insist that information from your sources, the group of so-called scientists who cite one another’s cherry picked data and conclusions conjured from that data to support their own far-fetched theories, none of which can be tested experimentally, must be accepted as revealed Truth.

I am not denying that CO2 from coal may (and I stress the word may) be contributing to a warming of the climate. Even if it is, stopping the burning of coal in the U.S.A. will have no effect on the outcome. China and India have already made it known to the world that they plan to increase their use of coal several fold in the next decades. At the very time when the two Asian colossuses are increasing their industrial capacity and building up their economies, Obama’s war on coal will devastate ours.

That we can switch to natural gas is a disastrous delusion. The college textbook Modern Physical Geology by Graham R. Thompson and Jonathan Turk (1991) says that natural gas reserves can possibly be depleted as early as the 2070s at the then-current (1991) rate of use (p. 431). Thompson and Turk also say that at the lowest estimate of coal reserves, the U.S. will have a plentiful supply of coal until the year 2200. At the high estimate coal production will not peak and begin to decline until around 2300 (p. 427). John F. Mongillo said in A Student Guide to Energy (2011),“Some energy experts believe that the supplies of natural gas will be depleted by 2040.” Mongillo cited the U.S. Energy Information Agency as his source for the statement,“by 2030 China will account for 71 percent of the world’s consumption of coal.”(p. 10) Jason F. Shogren said in the Encyclopedia of Energy, Natural Resources, and Environmental Economics (2013),“natural gas will be depleted in this century at current consumption rates, but coal reserves can last another 250 years.”(p. 311)

Coal will be king whether you like it or not. It is up to us whether King Coal's kingdom is in the U.S. or in Asia.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#36766 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Again, typical liberal enviro-nazi responses. My authoritative source is declared illegitimate and ridiculed. Yet you insist that information from your sources, the group of so-called scientists ..EDITED....
You don't need to read much further to know that you're dealing with an Energy Company turd...

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#36767 Jul 4, 2013
Nazis, like Communists, would simply run roughshod over the environment in the name of their authoritarian states and the greater good of their ideologies - and particularly their militaries. It's a proven fact.

Right wingers are FAR closer to being Nazis, given their attachment to big business partnered wtih the state, to ultra-patriotism, to the military, to flags and symbols, and to law n' order.

NO leftist or liberal is a fascist or nazi and we have only the greatest disgust for those people and their ideologies.

Just FYI, troll assclown...

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#36768 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Again, typical liberal enviro-nazi responses. My authoritative source is declared illegitimate and ridiculed. Yet you insist that information from your sources, the group of so-called scientists who cite one another’s cherry picked data and conclusions conjured from that data to support their own far-fetched theories, none of which can be tested experimentally, must be accepted as revealed Truth.
I am not denying that CO2 from coal may (and I stress the word may) be contributing to a warming of the climate. Even if it is, stopping the burning of coal in the U.S.A. will have no effect on the outcome. China and India have already made it known to the world that they plan to increase their use of coal several fold in the next decades....
So the solution is to burn more coal in the USA. How will that solve anything? That is like a middle school boy saying, "Everyone else is doing it, why can't I?"

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#36769 Jul 4, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
So the solution is to burn more coal in the USA. How will that solve anything? That is like a middle school boy saying, "Everyone else is doing it, why can't I?"
It's common on the Right. How many times have they responded to criticism of, say, trans fats by saying 'It's a free country, I can eat as many trans-fats as I want! I'm going to pick some up on the way home, in fact!!!'

Not mature adults by any means...
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36770 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Again, typical liberal enviro-nazi responses. My authoritative source is declared illegitimate and ridiculed. Yet you insist that information from your sources, the group of so-called scientists who cite one another’s cherry picked data and conclusions conjured from that data to support their own far-fetched theories, none of which can be tested experimentally, must be accepted as revealed Truth.
I am not denying that CO2 from coal may (and I stress the word may) be contributing to a warming of the climate. Even if it is, stopping the burning of coal in the U.S.A. will have no effect on the outcome. China and India have already made it known to the world that they plan to increase their use of coal several fold in the next decades. At the very time when the two Asian colossuses are increasing their industrial capacity and building up their economies, Obama’s war on coal will devastate ours.
That we can switch to natural gas is a disastrous delusion. The college textbook Modern Physical Geology by Graham R. Thompson and Jonathan Turk (1991) says that natural gas reserves can possibly be depleted as early as the 2070s at the then-current (1991) rate of use (p. 431). Thompson and Turk also say that at the lowest estimate of coal reserves, the U.S. will have a plentiful supply of coal until the year 2200. At the high estimate coal production will not peak and begin to decline until around 2300 (p. 427). John F. Mongillo said in A Student Guide to Energy (2011),“Some energy experts believe that the supplies of natural gas will be depleted by 2040.” Mongillo cited the U.S. Energy Information Agency as his source for the statement,“by 2030 China will account for 71 percent of the world’s consumption of coal.”(p. 10) Jason F. Shogren said in the Encyclopedia of Energy, Natural Resources, and Environmental Economics (2013),“natural gas will be depleted in this century at current consumption rates, but coal reserves can last another 250 years.”(p. 311)
Coal will be king whether you like it or not. It is up to us whether King Coal's kingdom is in the U.S. or in Asia.
I shit in the milk of your authoritative source.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36771 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Again, typical King Coal.
What is the difference between a genuine scientific sceptic (aka an agnostic) and a science denier? It’s simple: sceptics consider the full body of evidence before making up their mind. Deniers already have their mind made up and reject any evidence that conflicts with their pre-conceived views.

Read more: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2...
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36772 Jul 4, 2013
Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.” In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#36773 Jul 4, 2013
All of you are still evading the question: What will happen to our economy if we deny ourselves coal, a proven energy source that we have plenty of, and rival countries go on using it to full capacity?

Are you claiming that what the geology textbook, A Student Guide to Energy, and the Encyclopedia of Energy, Natural Resources, and Environmental Economics say about the depletion of natural gas is false?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36774 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
All of you are still evading the question: What will happen to our economy if we deny ourselves coal, a proven energy source that we have plenty of, and rival countries go on using it to full capacity?
Are you claiming that what the geology textbook, A Student Guide to Energy, and the Encyclopedia of Energy, Natural Resources, and Environmental Economics say about the depletion of natural gas is false?
No one is evading anything.

The truth is, we don't know. This is as new to us enviro-nazis as it is to you denier-scum.

It's a new world. We have to figure out how we can transition from fossils fuel to green. Fossil fuel products are NOT 100% bad. But they actually need to be valued more. What you can do with petroleum products is simply amazing, and we have taken them for granted for so long because they were so cheap.

We know we can get power from the sun and the wind. Why not use that and save all the precious oil and plastic that we can.

Why is this such a complicated problem?

Hint. It isn't.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36775 Jul 4, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
All of you are still evading the question: What will happen to our economy if we deny ourselves coal, a proven energy source that we have plenty of, and rival countries go on using it to full capacity?
Are you claiming that what the geology textbook, A Student Guide to Energy, and the Encyclopedia of Energy, Natural Resources, and Environmental Economics say about the depletion of natural gas is false?
I believe you have that wrong, it just depends on where you want to be in the queue to reap the benefits of a world wide ban on emission polluting practices. Its either at the front or the back. Every country has it coal on their "Hit" list including China. If no break through tech comes along in the next 5-6 yrs to burn it clean, I promise you coal will be phased out and replaced by something else. That's your reality, deny it all you want but the weight of opinion now on all leading countries including the developing ones, that measures have to be taken to limit man's CO2 emissions. All of Europe has started, now China,even India which is going down the Nuke road. So here you will have the USA out on its own like a deer caught in the headlights. Obama is well aware of that, and he is also aware that doing it via congress is like the dark skinned guy speaking out at the local KKK meeting. So he is doing it on his own as best he can manage. In the long run it will be for the good of the country and for the rest of the world. Like all transitions in history it won't be without pain but it sure will be with benefit.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#36776 Jul 4, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Obama is.......aware that doing it via congress is like the dark skinned guy speaking out at the local KKK meeting.
Yeah, re-pubic-lick-uns refresh themselves with tea party members directly from a KKK cross burning. Previously, national re-pubic-lick-uns got direction from KKK southern governors.
Coal is King

Paducah, KY

#36777 Jul 5, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, re-pubic-lick-uns refresh themselves with tea party members directly from a KKK cross burning. Previously, national re-pubic-lick-uns got direction from KKK southern governors.
It is apparent that you failed middle school history. Back in the days of the KKK in the 1920s the South was ruled by Democrats.
CTM

Southbury, CT

#36778 Jul 5, 2013
The past several administrations have let energy, oil,coal, natural gas, sun and wind, run them. Whatever could make a ton of money gets preference despite what damage it will do. It's all money. Oil still making 10 billion $$ a quarter, coal still has a lobby so they have to share, natural gas came around after Boone Pickens pushed and bought its' way in. While cheap it is polluting our water table to no end. Sun and wind get virtually free money from the current administration,aka, Solyndra. I believe if there was any honesty and/or transparency to the energy lobby in its entirety we would have OShinskys batteries running truly efficient electric cars, sun and wind would be government owned and regulated to the point of costing about 10% of current costs, and a car that runs on water would be created or just taken out from under wraps. H2O, Helium and Oxygen, two of the most explosive gasses on earth, do you really think the oil biz wants that? This would require politicians and big business to be honest, so this will probably stay a dream for a long time..

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#36779 Jul 5, 2013
CTM wrote:
The past several administrations have let energy, oil,coal, natural gas, sun and wind, run them. Whatever could make a ton of money gets preference despite what damage it will do. It's all money. Oil still making 10 billion $$ a quarter, coal still has a lobby so they have to share, natural gas came around after Boone Pickens pushed and bought its' way in. While cheap it is polluting our water table to no end. Sun and wind get virtually free money from the current administration,aka, Solyndra. I believe if there was any honesty and/or transparency to the energy lobby in its entirety we would have OShinskys batteries running truly efficient electric cars, sun and wind would be government owned and regulated to the point of costing about 10% of current costs, and a car that runs on water would be created or just taken out from under wraps. H2O, Helium and Oxygen, two of the most explosive gasses on earth, do you really think the oil biz wants that? This would require politicians and big business to be honest, so this will probably stay a dream for a long time..
Much of that may be true, but a car running on water? The physics is just not there. It takes as much (really a little more because of efficiencies) energy to dissociate water into hydrogen and oxygen gas as it will yield on recombining. It is just a pipe dream.

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