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There are 54493 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36650 Jun 23, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
What I can't understand how did the global warming argument get tied into left and right politics. I have seen some posters from the right in politics who agree with the man made warming concept but get attacked from the right for even mentioning it.
It's not in much of the world. The US is nearly unique in the degree of anti-reality adopted by a major party. I speak as a US citizen - and as one whose conservatism has been denied because I don't reject such realities as climate science, biological evolution, etc.

US politics is pretty f__ked up right now. If the R's don't pull their collective heads out, we could be in for a generation of one party government.
Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36651 Jun 23, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a monstrosity born of the inter-species marriage between the Libertarians and the Christian Right. The Libertarians compromiesd (at least temporarily) their ideas about individual liberty and adopted the Christian Right's "moral" issues in return for the Christian Right adopting Libertarians' Social Darwinist economic philospohy. Issues dear to each side were bundled into a package. Wealthy Libertarians whose fortunes are based in the coal and oil industries stuffed their opposition to any effort to move away from coal and oil into the bargain. It then became part of the Christian Right's religious obligation to uphold those ideas. Because the package is endowed with a religious quality, rejecting any part of the package is equated with rejecting all of it.
The Democrats did the same thing, but with their package containing the antithesis of what is in the Libertarian - Christian Right Republican package. Their package also does not have the religious element that the Republican package does, so individuals have a lot more freedom to pick and choose on issues; for this, against that.
Quite profound. Too bad that those who most need to understand it are least likely to even acknowledge it.
No Warming

Waverly, OH

#36653 Jun 24, 2013
So since NASA and NOAA records indicate there's been No Warming for 16 years I would need the Pope to confirm that. I'd bring the issue up with the Monsignor except he doesn't have much of a sense of humor, get out of your box and get real folks.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#36654 Jun 24, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a monstrosity born of the inter-species marriage between the Libertarians and the Christian Right. The Libertarians compromiesd (at least temporarily) their ideas about individual liberty and adopted the Christian Right's "moral" issues in return for the Christian Right adopting Libertarians' Social Darwinist economic philospohy. Issues dear to each side were bundled into a package. Wealthy Libertarians whose fortunes are based in the coal and oil industries stuffed their opposition to any effort to move away from coal and oil into the bargain. It then became part of the Christian Right's religious obligation to uphold those ideas. Because the package is endowed with a religious quality, rejecting any part of the package is equated with rejecting all of it.
The Democrats did the same thing, but with their package containing the antithesis of what is in the Libertarian - Christian Right Republican package. Their package also does not have the religious element that the Republican package does, so individuals have a lot more freedom to pick and choose on issues; for this, against that.
So, you are saying that the Republicans adopted the extremist positions of the Libertarians. A move away from their historic moderate position of States Rights and individual choice. I am a lifelong Republican who has abandoned the Party because of their fanatical extremism.(Anyone who is not an extremist is labeled a liberal.)----I am proud to be a liberal by this definition.

I think the Republican Party was not able to adapt to the rapid changes the country is going through and was marginalized after Reagan. Reagan was simply an attempt to grasp at the past. When this failed, the Party was in disarray. To regain support, the Party had to search for new votes. They found them in the religious right and the prejudices and fear of the Libertarians. This along with a concerted effort to demonize the government, which was progressive and not well understood by many, the old fears of Communism and Socialism were brought into play. Also science, which supported many of the changes had to be bypassed. To do this, science had to be demonized or discredited to the extent that it was marginalized as a player in decisions.

Somehow this extremism has paralyzed the country to the extent that there cannot be a civil debate about global warming.

Living in Kansas, this is parallel to the extremist position of the Kansas BOA demanding that Creationism be taught in the science classroom. I have noted that the current Kansas BOA has rejected this extremist position and encourages both global warming and evolution studies in the classroom. Perhaps there is hope for the future.

The Republican Party will either shake off the Tea Parties disorganized extremism or cease to be a viable alternative. I believe it will by necessity move back towards the center and offer a viable choice between Parties.
Retired Farmer

Marion, KY

#36655 Jun 24, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you are saying that the Republicans adopted the extremist positions of the Libertarians. A move away from their historic moderate position of States Rights and individual choice. I am a lifelong Republican who has abandoned the Party because of their fanatical extremism.(Anyone who is not an extremist is labeled a liberal.)----I am proud to be a liberal by this definition.
I think the Republican Party was not able to adapt to the rapid changes the country is going through and was marginalized after Reagan. Reagan was simply an attempt to grasp at the past. When this failed, the Party was in disarray. To regain support, the Party had to search for new votes. They found them in the religious right and the prejudices and fear of the Libertarians. This along with a concerted effort to demonize the government, which was progressive and not well understood by many, the old fears of Communism and Socialism were brought into play. Also science, which supported many of the changes had to be bypassed. To do this, science had to be demonized or discredited to the extent that it was marginalized as a player in decisions.
Somehow this extremism has paralyzed the country to the extent that there cannot be a civil debate about global warming.
Living in Kansas, this is parallel to the extremist position of the Kansas BOA demanding that Creationism be taught in the science classroom. I have noted that the current Kansas BOA has rejected this extremist position and encourages both global warming and evolution studies in the classroom. Perhaps there is hope for the future.
The Republican Party will either shake off the Tea Parties disorganized extremism or cease to be a viable alternative. I believe it will by necessity move back towards the center and offer a viable choice between Parties.
You have pretty well nailed what has happened to the Republican party. In short, it got hijacked by the Libertarian-Christian Right coalition.

I too was a Republican (one that believed in the ideals of Lincoln, Theodeore Roosevelt, and Eisenhower) for my entire adult life. Then, suddenly, I was actually told by a local county-level Republican party official, a Bible thumping religious bigot, that I was no longer welcome in the party because I supported repeal of Prohibition in the "dry" county where I lived. The same fellow is an ardent climate change denier, and pretty much classifies anyone who disagrees with him about it as some sort of anti-Christian, pagan nature worshipper.

I don't think the old Republican Party will or can shake off the Tea Party / Libertarian-Christian Right hijackers. It will, I think, become a regional party confined to the South and Plains/West Bible Belt -- if it survives at all. By the same token, the Democrats will probably become a European-style social democratic party.

I look for a new Center Party to emerge, one that is slightly right of center made up of disaffected former "RINO" center-right Republicans and old style conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#36656 Jun 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Of course nobody suggests regulating human metabolism; it's just that the same gas you want to regulate happens to be the gas we exhale. We'll just have to trust you that carbon dioxide regulation won't got too far. Like we trust the NSA and IRS...
Yes, if it wasn't for me, you might be prevented from exhaling every other day, Brainless. Remember that and be grateful...LOL

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#36657 Jun 24, 2013
No Warming wrote:
So since NASA and NOAA records indicate there's been No Warming for 16 years ..EDITED....
When the post starts off so wrong, it's unlikely to get better...

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#36658 Jun 24, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
You have pretty well nailed what has happened to the Republican party. In short, it got hijacked by the Libertarian-Christian Right coalition.
I too was a Republican (one that believed in the ideals of Lincoln, Theodeore Roosevelt, and Eisenhower) for my entire adult life. Then, suddenly, I was actually told by a local county-level Republican party official, a Bible thumping religious bigot, that I was no longer welcome in the party because I supported repeal of Prohibition in the "dry" county where I lived. The same fellow is an ardent climate change denier, and pretty much classifies anyone who disagrees with him about it as some sort of anti-Christian, pagan nature worshipper.
I don't think the old Republican Party will or can shake off the Tea Party / Libertarian-Christian Right hijackers. It will, I think, become a regional party confined to the South and Plains/West Bible Belt -- if it survives at all. By the same token, the Democrats will probably become a European-style social democratic party.
I look for a new Center Party to emerge, one that is slightly right of center made up of disaffected former "RINO" center-right Republicans and old style conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats.
I am not so sure. With the amount of money it takes to gain a foothold, the third party idea is at best a hope. Even the Tea Party had to meld with an established Party to become a player.

The vested interests have control of the reins (or should that be reigns?). Until the populous begins to think for themselves instead of what their favorite media tells them what the "facts" are, the industrial-financial complex will control the government. I see that slowly changing, but wonder if it will be too late to overcome. The emerging influence of the non-white population may be able to break through the white male complex that has brought us to the point we are today.
Teddy R

Mclean, VA

#36659 Jun 24, 2013
So CO2 turns out to be a red herring and not the global AGW Doomsday Device after all.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/1c273ab0-dbe4-...

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#36660 Jun 24, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
So CO2 turns out to be a red herring and not the global AGW Doomsday Device after all.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/1c273ab0-dbe4-...
Don't think I'll sign up there to read more Denier gibberish, Teddy boy...sorry.:)
Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36661 Jun 24, 2013
No Warming wrote:
So since NASA and NOAA records indicate there's been No Warming for 16 years I would need the Pope to confirm that. I'd bring the issue up with the Monsignor except he doesn't have much of a sense of humor, get out of your box and get real folks.
Big Lie! All of the 10 warmest years have been since 1998. It isn't mathematically possible for both that and your denialist talking point to both be true.
Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36662 Jun 24, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
You have pretty well nailed what has happened to the Republican party. In short, it got hijacked by the Libertarian-Christian Right coalition.
I too was a Republican (one that believed in the ideals of Lincoln, Theodeore Roosevelt, and Eisenhower) for my entire adult life.
Count me as another. I no longer consider myself a Republican. I didn't leave the party; the party left me when it left its senses.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36663 Jun 24, 2013
Well there is still hope if all you ex-Republicans especially those living in the south might convince some others to come back to the fold. Instead of following a path that leads to nowhere.
In my view I think the Tea party was the squeaky wheel in this quantum shift to the right. The ole saying about the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. Well they spoke the loudest and obtained influence they didn't deserve. Surely the majority of Americans cannot hold those views, because its a train wreck waiting to happen.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#36664 Jun 24, 2013
ALL YOU THINK IS THAT BIGGER COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA STANDING UP TO YOU ABOUT SNOWDEN.
There is too much radicalism out there. They say Clinton AND BUSH GAVE CHINA THE RADAR and weapon science technology and economy too, yet they never say they presidents are traitors but Snowden. You all know that Snowden has never built and won't be able to build China because he has no such aircraft blueprints.
It comes to this time of absurdity as Clinton and Bush had built up China already to talk about Snowdon now and relationship .
AS THE RADICALISM AND EXTREMISM POINT OUT, THE justice is being questioned in the US, that some people are wrongly convicted, in addition to producing situations of fabricAting AND presenting false or no evidences, to impose against justice. The example is that, when there is one Bush who had no evidence but lied about WMD-Iraq, indicates there are some such people out there BY USING FALSEHOOD OF MAKING UP STORIES.
IF they ARE the POLICEMEN AND FBI AND CIA and Judges , they should be able to do their jobs AS those PROFESSIONS WITH NO ERRORS. But ultimately it is not, since the radicalism of unstable minds has victimized and harmed a lot of innocent and good people.
YOu say y0u want to target terrorists and traitors while they do the same to you, but you should know your profession of targeting the accuracy--i.e., if it is a man you want, you don't go (Maybe to women's washrooms) to get women as that is far from precision accuracy but demonstrates the extreme craze of queer views which are peculiarly ridiculous.
As people are not hired in these professions to do for you, you have done a lot of wrong by making damages to the public and harmful effects to lots of innocents when you do so.
There are all rationalization reasons that too many doubts exist of what they are doing out there regarding facts and truth and justice.
Because they want those who they think they are their traitors, terrorists or criminals, there is every single reason NOT to detain and hinder anyone to obstruct rights of freedom liberty of world public and truth of the justice, including the matters of extradition, since THERE ARE wrongs of what they say. How on earth by spying on world people is needed to make security and target traitors, while world people have nothing to do with anything, by those acting unlawfulness as outlaw(s) in the first place?
There are all reasons that the people of world have different beliefs and differences in views based on facts, but not CORRUPTION AND WHAT is CALLED AS A RELATIONSHIP,for THE truth aspects of human race should be ascertained in the grace of righteousness.
They can think that only bigger countries like China they had built up can sponsor Snowden's asylum, or stand up to it, yet they never ask why they had to build it up by Clinton and Bush to face with it.
They say Russia is a better stronger country that can handle Snowden case because Russia needs a relationship, but they are just too naive, not to know the world people do not think alike.
They say everything is too good out there , but just ask themselves how many have been damaged and harmed and burnt by those corruption people and bad liars, extremists, and radical, fake fabricators and deceits?
How do you know there are no other better and vital societies, in which people are doing much better in terms of justice and freedom righteous rights of well-deserved justice and economics than you, when these societies have less extremists?
You may also think China and Russia are against you in Snowden story, but you never know there are many countrymen (of different countries) with much stronger sentiments and stands disapproving you elsewhere around the globe than China and Russia.
BUT, HOW DO YOU KNOW the WORLD AFTER ALL, when the world would SIMPLY reject the way of your doing things with radicalism by violating the justice truth by calling extradition, which is regarded as unaccepted?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#36665 Jun 24, 2013
JBH wrote:
ALL YOU THINK IS THAT BIGGER COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA STANDING UP TO YOU ABOUT SNOWDEN.
Oddly, the US was built on the idea that the government should be scared of the public (i.e Snowden) while PRISM is designed to make the public fear the government.

Support whistle blowers when they expose totalitarian control freaks.
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#36666 Jun 25, 2013
From the Pikeville, KY, Topix Forum this morning:

“Today, Tuesday the 25th 2013 marks the end of the coal industry in the United States. He plans to sidestep congress and by executive order finish off the coal industry he helped cripple. The executive orders to the EPA will ensure all coal fired plants will not meet emissions standards.

Mark this day on your calendar the final nails will be driven in the coal industry's coffin. He just killed every coal related job in Southern Appalachia. Better figure how you are going to raise your kids and pay a power bill that will triple or quadruple if you live in Ky. or W.Va.

If anyone is old enough to remember the late 50's and 60's in Eastern Ky. you will remember the gut wrenching poverty of the area. The times when there were no jobs but low wage coal mining and everyone was moving north to seek employment and a better life. When the coal boom ended in the early 80's and coal fell to below $20 a ton we experienced another great migration to the south for those that sought work and a better life for their kids.

I would say that we will see another great exodus from the coal fields as mines close and the coal industry collapses but now there is nowhere to go. The national economy and job market is crippled and the higher cost of energy will make it worse, especially in the southern states that depend on coal for power generation.

From the time when Robert Kennedy filmed and showed the nation the abject poverty the people of Southern Appalachia were living in to the time of Lyndon Johnsons Great Society Program and his War On Poverty millions were poured into this region to better the life of Eastern Kentuckians. The ARC and a hos of other programs to cut roads into the region and bring us up to par with the rest of the country. We just took a giant step backwards today! From the time of John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson a whole generations work to save this region has just been destroyed by the stroke of a dictator's pen. Ironic, a democratic president saved this region and a so called democratic president just destroyed it.

Cap and trade, cap industrial growth and trade what few jobs we have left to communist China! Change we can believe in! I believe this heartless bastard just changed life in Appalachia for the worse! East Kentucky Hard times, get used to it. Get used to just scrapping by the best way you can and hope a few older people are left around to show you how to do it.”

What do you envirofreaks have to say to the many hundreds of thousands of coal miners are going to lose their jobs because of this?
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#36667 Jun 25, 2013
More from the Pikeville, KY, Topix:

“Time to kill more American jobs in favor of windmills and solar farms. So, Obama will make an end-run around Congress to mandate his liberal agenda as law without a single vote ever being cast. America, is this really what you wanted?”

“Czar Obama side stepped congress just as easy as he sidesteps the constitution. No checks and balance for a guy that thinks he is god. His ordering the EPA to enforce emissions standards that won't allow the burning of coal has just today finished off the coal industry and this region. Change you can believe in! How do you like it now...Better start looking for another way to make a living if you depend on coal.”

“The would-be tyrannical despot Emperor O. is on a mission to divert focuses away from the myriad scandals plaguing his Administration so he needs to wheel out a tried and true hot button issue to cause confusing conflict and enough chaos for the desired diversion. Enter Environmentalism. His recent not-so-well-received speech in Germany about the Global Warming myth and his recent directives to the EPA to resume targeting and harassing coal producers/users without any oversight from Congress is a usual Obama high and mighty tactic where he disregards Laws as well as Checks & Balances to ramrod his will through over the concerns or desires of anyone else.”
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#36668 Jun 25, 2013
A selection of posts from the Pineville, KY, Topix forum:

“People better be fighting for Coal or we will all pay the consequences.Coal isnt like other industries because it benefits so many other industries and people who never even realize it. Coal has helped insure many different jobs such as lawyers, doctors, dentists, teachers, local businesses and services for many years. If things keep going as they are with the bad leadership in Washington then we will all be on assistance from the government and without anyone working. How long do you think that assistance will last? Not Long. This country needs jobs. It needs COAL!”

“Coal was meant to be mined ! Let them mine it ! Other countries are mining coal .if this was a worldwide campaign to stop coal then why just us ? The "green wind blowers" are making money from Obama then just drifting from town to town. Obama is going to weaken the American dollar so much it will take every dime a man has to buy bread. That is what is coming to . There isn't going to be a workforce to keep up this country much longer . Obama is will take our weapons, our energy, our economy then leave this country. I think he has set us up for the greatest fall in American History ! If you think Hillary Clinton is different -she is not ! Clinton sold out and her husband caused our banks to fall because of deregulation ! She said one that Obama had no experience she was right then she sold out . She seems brainwashed and Clinton he never told the truth did he ? Clinton is "the great embellisher" !”

“I Appreciate the energy God gave us inside those mountains. The mountains can be mined for the energy we need and still be beautiful. You need to also realize the danger that lurks on these mountains -The dope growers they are the real environmental demise of our society.”

“This is so wrong what Obama is doing . This game Obama is playing is destroying Ky . He has devastated our state and our people . People who dont know the value that coal was to our economy will soon find out how much coal really meant to everyone ! This is hurting families all over our great state . Coal miners pay their taxes and supported our country .Its time we get a President who supports those who work and make America strong again. You cannot give to those truly in need if no one is working ! That's the real math! By the time Obama gets out of office we will all be in need. Obama is the worst president in history!”

“Whatever he has done ? He has taken our jobs ! Our electric bills are going up ! He has challenged everything this country was founded on.He has increased the national debt ! He has attacked the healthcare industry and the energy industry ! He has played the race card and he is part white himself ! He has no business sense ! Its not GW that is running this country -THIS IS OBAMAS DAMN MESS ! OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY AND IN MY OPINION HE IS TRULY UNAMERICAN !He devalued the founding fathers of this country ! He doesnt believe in work ethics or support business owners ! He thinks the working people is the enemy. If someone is lazy they do not deserve what a working man has. We need a president who believes that you should earn a living !”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36669 Jun 25, 2013
96% of the carbon dioxide emitted comes from humans, animals. water vapor, solar activity, etc. What's Obama gonna do bout curbing that?
How can Mars, Neptune and Pluto be experiencing global warming when they have no CO2 emissions for autos, factories, etc?
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#36670 Jun 25, 2013
--Sample of posts from Richlands, VA, Topix forum:

“Hope you dumbass liberals will be happy when there are no jobs here since the whole economy is based on coal.”

“Check the news, our wonderful president is going to sign an order by passing congress. This will be the final blow to coal. Get ready for higher power bills. Lots of businesses will fold. Way to go all you hard core democrats and republicans. Voting independent from now on!”

--A post from Prestonburg, KY:

“Thanks to Obama and all who voted for him for helping me lose my job, my house and how I feed my family. I would like to thank the U.M.W.A who supported Obama, and all of the Blacks who get Checks every month that voted for Obama. Obama got 98% of the Black vote! Thanks A lot !”

--A post from Sod, WV:

“Lol Obama said he was goin to shut down the coal fired power plants by regulating them!! Forcing them to switch to natural gas... Ok he appointed Lisa Jackson to the epa who is clearly against coal Now who's the dumb one?? So here's what's going to happen the coal fired plants are over regulated and now switching to gas, then like everything else supply and demand goes up for gas thus raising electric bills through the roof and as for the union used to be a great thing but unfortunately the baby boom generation killed it striking because the $hit is above the blue water in the porta potty stealing soap and strike because there's none the way the union is now psshut you can have it!!!!”

--A Post from Bancroft, WV:

“they said when we hit the natural gas we will be turning it to gasoline so the price would go down. but once again the poor man pay's while the stock broker's and big business get richer. wake up people and C the whole picture because you and me are going to live by a necular or gas fired power plant. we the people need to impeach oboma. he has to go before he has time to finish off what little we still have. a lot of my friends are already layed off. let's save the one's who still have a job.”

--A post from Williamson, WV:

“We are in real trouble my man is a miner and thank god he hasnt lost his job yet. i hope he don't. i will pray for all u miners who lost there job nothing is goin to change unless we change it luckily he can't get voted in for anymore time in office i hope the next prez isn't as selfish and stupid as obama. for those who are wondering yes i work as well does my man i do not draw a check for anything but for what hours i work i'm not a lazy bum”

--A post from Charleston, WV:
“Ok now on killing our steel market if you kill coal how shall we get the heat to make steel because natural gas don't burn hot enough to melt steel! We gotta have coal it's in the asphalt you drive on, it's in the car you drive, it's used to purify the water you drink!”

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