Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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Sandy

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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There is no 'man made CO2'. God created all the carbon and oxygen (though he may have used supernovas to do it..) There is anthropogenic CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion and this is a problem due to the buildup in the atmosphere and the greenhouse effect increasing the global average surface temperature.
You might try some of that science, but first...
Yes, CO2 is pollution and unnecessary for life on Earth... we have heard this claim many times. There was no reason or logic to back up your pronouncements until now!

Can anyone define the following example of irrational reasoning used to debate a point of argument?

"There is no 'man made CO2'. God created all the carbon and oxygen ..."

"You might try some of that science, but first.."
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OzRitz wrote:
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The solution is simple, every time anyone, anywhere in the world goes fishing they throw a bucket of lime into the water. Problem solved!. All the coral reefs will come back to life, the fish start breeding again and we all live happily ever after.
This will be on par with most of the other denier hand book solutions to a problem when you are not having a problem.
And of course, this will be voluntary, because we wouldn't want the GOVERNMENT to be mandating that we HAVE to throw (through?) a bucket of lime. They might even mandate that everyone has to go fishing!

If the government mandated the throwing of lime-buckets and 10-pound test lines, that would be a tax.
Unless the government offered a SUBSIDY to purchase the lime. Lime producers would like that, they would produce more and that would produce PROFIT. They would bribe their Congressperson to make sure the subsidy was as beneficial as possible to their industry. Bucket manufacturers might see an initial bump up in sales but no long term increase. But the same thing would happen if the government mandated fishing and subsidized it. Sporting goods manufacturers and stores would love it. Even Mom and Pop country stores would benefit from bait sales. Everyone would be happy!

But first, everyone would have to volunteer. When's that ever happened? They would have to realize there was a problem. When's that ever happened? And when has volunteering ever made a PROFIT?

Looks like more government is the best solution, after all!

Tongue firmly in cheek.
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Antarctic ice melting at highest rate in past 1,000 years:

http://www.voanews.com/content/warm-ocean-acc...
litesong

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Antarctic ice melting at highest rate in past 1,000 years:
http://www.voanews.com/content/warm-ocean-acc...
Well.......... that explains..........
The recently collapsed Wilkens Ice Shelf was estimated 10,000 years old.
The recently collapsed Larsen B Ice Shelf was estimated 12.000 years old.

Might as well throw this into the mix also:
In the Arctic the recently collapsed Ellesmere Island Ward Hunt Ice Shelf was estimated 4500 years old.
No Warming

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Retired Farmer wrote:
Antarctic ice melting at highest rate in past 1,000 years:
http://www.voanews.com/content/warm-ocean-acc...
Here is the NASA version of the story, you'll notice the reference to 1000 years is left out. If you look at your link you will also notice the study has not been through the all important peer review.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/ear...
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Retired Farmer wrote:
Antarctic ice melting at highest rate in past 1,000 years:
http://www.voanews.com/content/warm-ocean-acc...
Here is a study that has been peer reviewed and says the Antarctic is expanding.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/gr...

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGE...
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No Warming wrote:
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Here is a study that has been peer reviewed and says the Antarctic is expanding.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/gr...
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGE...
Please show us where it says "the Antarctic is expanding."
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Here is the NASA version of the story, you'll notice the reference to 1000 years is left out. If you look at your link you will also notice the study has not been through the all important peer review.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/ear...
Why do you do this instead of telling the truth?

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2013/...

gives you the peer reviewed paper.

Not only you don't understand the scientific publications but also you choose to deceive the readers by lies and misrepresentations.

Shame on you, no warning.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>See my comment above.
How close to the point of no return from unstoppable warming will your scientists take us before they say their crisis is unavoidable, inevitable, imminent and WILL happen. They have NEVERS said it. Answer the question Doomer!
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take a look at the article:

http://www.livescience.com/11350-top-10-surpr...
SpaceBlues

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mememine69 wrote:
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How close to the point of no return from unstoppable warming will your scientists take us before they say their crisis is unavoidable, inevitable, imminent and WILL happen. They have NEVERS said it. Answer the question Doomer!
Hey, see the post above for a link to answer you.

When are you going to change your song?
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The oceans of the past were quite different than the ones we see today. Ocean temperatures are increasing due to global warming, and these increases are harming marine food webs. Coastal dead zones are also being created by the run-off from fertilizers.

An international team of researchers, led by McGill University, has completed the first global study of changes that occurred during the nitrogen cycle at the end of the last ice age. The nitrogen cycle was a crucial component of ocean chemistry. The findings of this study, published in Nature Geoscience, confirm oceans are good at balancing the nitrogen cycle on a global scale. However, the results also show this balancing act is a slow process that may take centuries, or even millennia. This raises worries about the effects of the scale and speed of changes in the ocean.

“For the first time we can quantify how oceans responded to slow, natural climate warming as the world emerged from the last ice age,” says Prof. Eric Galbraith from McGill University’s Department of Earth and Oceanic Sciences.”And what is clear is that there is a strong climate sensitivity in the ocean nitrogen cycle.”

The researchers say the nitrogen cycle is an essential component of the global metabolism, comparable to the proteins that are essential to human health. The nitrogen in the ocean is kept in balance by marine bacteria through a complicated cycle that keeps the ocean healthy, much like proteins are carried by the blood and circulate through the body. Microscopic organisms at the base of the marine food chain, called phytoplankton, fix nitrogen in the shallow, sunlit waters of the ocean. As the phytoplankton die and sink, nitrogen is eliminated in dark, oxygen-poor pockets of the deep oceans, in a process called dentrification.

The research team gathered sediment from the ocean floor in different areas of the world. The samples were used to confirm that as the ice sheets started melting and the climate warmed up at the end of the last ice age – 18,000 years ago – the marine nitrogen cycle started to accelerate. By about 8,000 years ago, the ocean had stabilized itself in a new, warmer state, in which the overall nitrogen cycle was running faster. The team isn’t sure how long it will take for marine ecosystems to adapt given the dramatic rate of change in the current ocean nitrogen cycle.

“We are changing the planet in ways we are not even aware of,” says Galbraith.“You wouldn’t think that putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would change the amount of nitrogen available to fish in the ocean, but it clearly does. It is important to realize just how interconnected everything is.”

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The world is still on course for an international agreement to tackle global warming in 2015 despite days of bickering in Bonn over how decisions are made under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

A fever-stricken Ms Figueres told the final UNFCCC press conference she was particularly encouraged that governments represented in Bonn were increasingly focusing on the need to become more ambitious for the 2015 global climate change agreement.
"The record greenhouse gas concentrations we now see in the atmosphere are due to past investment patterns and the policies and profit motives behind them. To prevent our atmosphere turning permanently against us requires a continued, faster shift.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/global-w...
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See photograph, taken from the International Space Station, shows a recent bloom in the Black Sea’s eastern half.

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Sandy wrote:
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Yes, CO2 is pollution and unnecessary for life on Earth...
Strawman and non-sequitur. I.e. That was never stated. The issue is the difference between the amount that is necessary for plants (not that much) and the increasing amounts that are changing the thermal balance and warming the surface.
Sandy wrote:
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Can anyone define the following example of irrational reasoning used to debate a point of argument?
If you are going to use 'responsibility' and 'man made' you first have to understand the definition of the terms. I don't speak gibberish even as a second language.
Sandy wrote:
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"You might try some of that science, but first.."
Yes. first you have to educate yourself and start using language as a communication medium, not demagoguery.

“Let's X Change!!”

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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You really are a waste of time....
yeah....being fed boring facts can seem that way.

thanks for playing.

i'll take this post as your concession.
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Well.......... that explains..........
The recently collapsed Wilkens Ice Shelf was estimated 10,000 years old.
The recently collapsed Larsen B Ice Shelf was estimated 12.000 years old.
Might as well throw this into the mix also:
In the Arctic the recently collapsed Ellesmere Island Ward Hunt Ice Shelf was estimated 4500 years old.
... And that explains the alarming sea level rise... Oh wait er, never mind.

“Let's X Change!!”

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warmies are stooopitzzzz.

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Climate change mitigation by controlling man made CO2 emissions is superstition, pseudoscience. Advocating man made catastrophic climate change because of our carbon dioxide production is pseudoscience. Look at the experimental science.

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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>yeah....being fed boring facts can seem that way.
thanks for playing.
i'll take this post as your concession.
I concede to your total lack of reality. A total waste of time.

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