Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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Teddy R wrote:
The word used - BY THE SCIENTIST - was "uncertainty."
Uncertainty.
Uncertainty.
Practice saying it - you need it.
The models don't measure up, and your SCIENTISTS (the honest ones) right now are the first saying they don't completely know why.
Admit it. C'mon - you can do it.
Estimates of climate sensitivity have always contained uncertainty- this is clearly stated. Straw man argument.

This new report says that models may be 20% too high over coming decades- not "wildly inaccurate". Exaggeration.

Scientists have always admitted that ocean circulation patterns are hard to model and contain uncertainties. Straw man.

There is a debate in the scientific community about what will happen over the next few years. Some scientists believe the deeper ocean could stop absorbing heat and we might not see reduced warming at all. Straw man and ignoring the complexities of the argument.

There is debate over what will happen in the long term. Some scientists believe the climate sensitivity figure needs to come down by 30%; others put more trust in the paleoclimate data. Straw man and ignoring the complexities of the deabte.

Even the scientists who think the climate sensitivity figure needs to come down still recognise that we are putting so much CO2 into the atmosphere that we need to reduce emissions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/ma...

You consistently ignore what science and scientists say in favour of your own stupid straw man arguments.

You're a ranting ideologue blind to rational evidence.

Your advice is foolish and dangerous to future generations.

You're fired!
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There is no uncertainty: Teddy is FIRED!
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teddy r stupid wrote:
Uncertainty. Uncertainty. Uncertainty.
Certainly,'teddy r stupid' continually betting against the house(without science, mathematics, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa), guarantees he will NOT have money to bet against the house.
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The Useless SpaceCase wrote:
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Fair Game wrote:
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Estimates of climate sensitivity have always contained uncertainty- this is clearly stated. Straw man argument.
No strawman to the REAL argument here - which is a political argument pressing policy agendas, NOT the "scientific" one being flogged as a judas goat. That the current understanding and model performance lacks adequate certainty and credibility to support the radical and precipitous diversions of scarce societal resources being advocated by the warmistas is hard, cold political FACT and CERTAIN REALITY you guys would do better to get over yourselves on, face up to, and quit trying to hand-wave away.

Explain why they're currently off by a factor of two and fix them instead of whining about "deniers" who are simply pointing at your half-naked Emperor.
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>This new report says that models may be 20% too high over coming decades- not "wildly inaccurate". Exaggeration.
"May be?" "Over the coming decades?" Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, aren't we? Whence this fantastic faith in a coming sea change (no pun intended) in the future validity of these models, when you cannot and will not acknowledge their crap performance in the here & now, absent agreement on why they're performing poorly in the near-term, other than to whine "it's hard and complicated?"

Let's start with the clear and present fact the models are out of whack by a factor of two over what is becoming a 2-decadal period, and all we've got is speculative theories why.
Fair Game wrote:
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Estimates of climate sensitivity have always contained uncertainty- this is clearly stated. Straw man argument ... Scientists have always admitted that ocean circulation patterns are hard to model and contain uncertainties. Straw man. There is a debate in the scientific community about what will happen over the next few years. Some scientists believe the deeper ocean could stop absorbing heat and we might not see reduced warming at all. Straw man and ignoring the complexities of the argument.
Perhaps in the "scientific" debate being used as cover and a judas goat for a variety of political agendas - but in that - the REAL world, the REAL argument, no straw man at all - UNCERTAINTY is the central point in the POLITICAL argument that's really at issue here. And the models and now clearly exaggerated jeremiads based on them lack credibility.
Fair Game wrote:
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There is debate over what will happen in the long term. Some scientists believe the climate sensitivity figure needs to come down by 30%; others put more trust in the paleoclimate data. Straw man and ignoring the complexities of the deabte.
Even the scientists who think the climate sensitivity figure needs to come down still recognise that we are putting so much CO2 into the atmosphere that we need to reduce emissions.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/ma...
You consistently ignore what science and scientists say in favour of your own stupid straw man arguments.
You're a ranting ideologue blind to rational evidence.
Your advice is foolish and dangerous to future generations.
You're fired!
Your opinion.

As far as the long-term is concerned, mine is that wealth creation in the world - especially the un- and under-developed world - is going to be FAR more critical to enable them to cope with coming climate change than the dog's breakfast of mostly silly and completely impractical reactionary political agendas being flogged by AGW jihadis in the name of "we must do something now!!"

You want people to listen to the science? Get out of denial yourself, acknowledge the models are sucking right now at matching observed data, and fix them.
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May 21, 2013
 
http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/images...

Hansen noted that in determining responsibility for climate change, the effect of greenhouse gas emissions on climate is determined not by current emissions, but by accumulated emissions over the lifetime of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. By this measure, the U.K. is still the largest single cause of climate change, followed by the U.S. and Germany, even though its current emissions are surpassed by the Peoples Republic of China.[Wikipedia]
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May 21, 2013
 
Teddy 'are' lazy trolls. Rean and learn:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-model...
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May 21, 2013
 
Read, of course.
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SpaceCase wrote:
Teddy 'are' lazy trolls. Rean and learn:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-model...
Article and data 3+ years out of date. Irrelevant. The models have just continued to perform more poorly in predicting actual recorded AGT rise since then. Something's clearly wrong with the AGT surface data and/or the models - and all we have from "the science" (the objective, honest ones) are some plausible speculation on the reasons why.

Why soooooo hard for you to admit this simple fact?

Your evaluation of the LATEST and CURRENT data and model predictive reliability I posted?

(... crickets ...)

I would advise you to read and learn yourself - but that of course would be wasted on a closed-minded believer in model infallibility like you. You have a different agenda - and it has nothing to do with "science" - your agenda here is clearly tied up in issues of your own psychic welfare.

Good luck with that.
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May 21, 2013
 
Global warming occurs during the fourth plague as described in Revelation 16:8,9 in the King James Version of the Bible:“And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.”
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May 21, 2013
 
Teddy R wrote:
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Article and data 3+ years out of date. Irrelevant. The models have just continued to perform more poorly in predicting actual recorded AGT rise since then. Something's clearly wrong with the AGT surface data and/or the models - and all we have from "the science" (the objective, honest ones) are some plausible speculation on the reasons why.
Why soooooo hard for you to admit this simple fact?
Your evaluation of the LATEST and CURRENT data and model predictive reliability I posted?
(... crickets ...)
I would advise you to read and learn yourself - but that of course would be wasted on a closed-minded believer in model infallibility like you. You have a different agenda - and it has nothing to do with "science" - your agenda here is clearly tied up in issues of your own psychic welfare.
Good luck with that.
You are twisty Teddy.

You post without any evidence your fossil fuel propaganda. Read what I post to learn something.

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May 21, 2013
 
Teddy R wrote:
The models have just continued to perform more poorly in predicting actual recorded AGT rise since then.
Boy, those models are terrible. The only thing worse is.... the "sceptic" predictions.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/1_Projec...

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<quoted text>lol...I'm sure you'll have no problem waiting, son. Getting drunk while sitting in front of your pc seems to be your thing.
I'll take that as your admission that you were lying. Thanks!:)

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The Real Truth wrote:
Global warming occurs during the fourth plague as described in Revelation 16:8,9 in the King James Version of the Bible:“And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.”
'Goddammit! It's HOT out here!'

Yeah, I'll admit I've said that...:)

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I'll take that as your admission that you were lying. Thanks!:)
take it however you want, son. Your posts show pretty clearly that your belief system has nothing to do with facts.
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The Chronically Valueless SpaceCase wrote:
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Fair Game wrote:
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Boy, those models are terrible. The only thing worse is.... the "sceptic" predictions.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/1_Projec...
Wow. That's pretty lame desperation.

As OPINION, you're free to your own.

But as a rhetorical argument, your post is tosh, and misdirected. I have posted NOTHING advocating "skeptic" predictions.

You are reduced to putting bullshyte words in my mouth rather than simply acknowledge that what I DID post about the latest reported (in)accuracy of current climate model predictions (off by a factor of 2 vs. recent actual decadal AGT rise data), with attributed source, is simple fact.

That, Sir - is intellectual dishonesty - and DENIAL on your part.

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Teddy 'are' split no-memory trolls.

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