Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 60057 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#35312 Apr 23, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
And shortly to lose his shirt to Michael Mann in a libel case of course.
Of course.

Justice is too slow.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35314 Apr 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I get a chuckle out of someone who doesn't know CO2 from H2SO4.
There's an oil and gas boom, supply is increasing. Obviously, carbon bubble economics and peak oil only exist in the minds of the people.
The new supply is even dirtier than the old supply.
But the verbal supply from lyin brian is always a lie.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#35315 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
This is what you said, dickweed: "Green energy doesn't work, fossil fuel does. CO2 doesn't cause die off, acid rain does." BURNING THE FOSSIL FUEL KNOWN AS COAL CAUSES ACID RAIN, Brainless. That is what's known as a "scientific fact," you pathetic MORON.
Burning all coal doesn't cause acid rain; burning high sulfur coal or high sulfur fuel oil causes acid rain. CO2 isn't acid rain.

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tha Professor wrote:
You just CONDEMNED the very fossil fuels you so cheerily worship by ADMITTING they cause acid rain.
Low sulfur coal, low sulfur oil and natural gas don't cause acid rain; I just embraced three fossil fuels.

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tha Professor wrote:
That makes you a FOOL. Now admit it and sit the hell down and shut up.
^^^See how they like to bully and insult?

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35316 Apr 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Burning all coal doesn't cause acid rain; burning high sulfur coal or high sulfur fuel oil causes acid rain. CO2 isn't acid rain.
....EDITED....
Oh, shut up and stop waffling. I busted you, at least have the honesty to admit it, troll.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35317 Apr 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Burning all coal doesn't cause acid rain; burning high sulfur coal or high sulfur fuel oil causes acid rain. CO2 isn't acid rain.
..EDITED....
This is whiny boy's idea of an "answer," notice.

"Burning ALL coal..."

..nowhere did I specify any type of coal, just that burning coal has been linked to acid rain. I know of no type of coal that, burned without scrubbing technology, does NOT put S02 in the atmosphere and thereby cause acid rain, either, which appears to make Brain a LIAR.

"C02 isn't acid rain..."

No one said it was, of course, but Brian. Naturally he's trying to conflate the two in order to excuse his gross error. But burning coal...ALL kinds of coal....does indeed put more C02 into the atmosphere than any other kind of fuel.

Why would anyone do anything but laugh at Brian's silly posturing and trolling?:)
SpaceBlues

United States

#35318 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>To B_gone:
Oh, shut up and stop waffling. I busted you, at least have the honesty to admit it, troll.
LOL. Lyin' Brian?

Gosh it even lies about fossil fuels. Everybody knows that all fossil fuels, coal, oil, natural gas, all of them contain sulfur.

Who's going to teach it sulfur chemistry?

http://www.umac.org/ocp/HowisAcidRainFormed/i...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35319 Apr 24, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Is that you, Teener?
Maybe she's on vacation from the east coast to Kansas.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35320 Apr 24, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. Lyin' Brian?
Gosh it even lies about fossil fuels. Everybody knows that all fossil fuels, coal, oil, natural gas, all of them contain sulfur.
Who's going to teach it sulfur chemistry?
http://www.umac.org/ocp/HowisAcidRainFormed/i...
Who indeed? Even with scrubber technology, pollutants including S02 are still emitted.
COAL IS KING

Paducah, KY

#35321 Apr 24, 2013
I don't deny that more CO2 in the atomosphere will cause the earth's climate to get warmer. That is basic science. I don't deny that burning coal is increasing the amount of CO2. That is common sense. I do question the idea that global warming is bad. It only stands to reason that a warmer world will be able to grow more food because all that frozen land in the far north will become fertile farmland.
COAL IS KING

Paducah, KY

#35322 Apr 24, 2013
Check out this story in the March 1912 edition of Popular Mechanics magazine.

http://books.google.com/books...

They knew about the relationship between coal, increased CO2, and global warming 101 years ago, but they recognized its benefits.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35323 Apr 24, 2013
COAL IS KING wrote:
I don't deny that more CO2 in the atomosphere will cause the earth's climate to get warmer. That is basic science. I don't deny that burning coal is increasing the amount of CO2. That is common sense. I do question the idea that global warming is bad. It only stands to reason that a warmer world will be able to grow more food because all that frozen land in the far north will become fertile farmland.
A couple of problems....warming changes weather patterns, which may leave previously fertile areas colder or in drought status while opening up other areas which weren't open to agriculture. This could be an even trade, but will disrupt societies and politics.

Second, and much more significant, it WILL leave world sea levels higher, possibly MUCH higher depending on how warm it gets. Several feet would flood all low-lying coastal areas leading, again, to massive social and political disruptions.

And there's the distant possibility that RUNAWAY warming could make the Earth uninhabitable, the 'Venus effect.'

Not sure this is something we want to gamble with...
SpaceBlues

United States

#35324 Apr 24, 2013
COAL IS KING wrote:
Check out this story in the March 1912 edition of Popular Mechanics magazine.
http://books.google.com/books...
They knew about the relationship between coal, increased CO2, and global warming 101 years ago, but they recognized its benefits[sic].
And they were wrong.
COAL IS KING

Paducah, KY

#35325 Apr 24, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>And they were wrong.
And just how were they wrong? Specifics, please.
COAL IS KING

Paducah, KY

#35327 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of problems....warming changes weather patterns, which may leave previously fertile areas colder or in drought status while opening up other areas which weren't open to agriculture. This could be an even trade, but will disrupt societies and politics.
Second, and much more significant, it WILL leave world sea levels higher, possibly MUCH higher depending on how warm it gets. Several feet would flood all low-lying coastal areas leading, again, to massive social and political disruptions.
And there's the distant possibility that RUNAWAY warming could make the Earth uninhabitable, the 'Venus effect.'
Not sure this is something we want to gamble with...
Granted there will be tradeoffs, but overall I think the U.S., Europe, and Russia will benefit.

I don't care about the "massive social and political disruptions" in the cesspools of the world. They do a good enough job of that as it is. Climate change won't change that fact much if any, it will just give them an excuse to blame us with the inherent inferiority of their social systems.

Flooding will not be that big a problem for us. Sure, the beaches might go under, but even if all the ice melted (not likely) we wouldn't have "Water World" because there's not enough water locked up in ice to do that. There's only enough to raise sea levels about 200 feet or so. Realistic projections are only saying climate change could raise sea levels 20 feet.

A "Venus effect" is something out of science fiction.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35328 Apr 24, 2013
COAL IS KING wrote:
<quoted text>
Granted there will be tradeoffs, but overall I think the U.S., Europe, and Russia will benefit.
I don't care about the "massive social and political disruptions" in the cesspools of the world. They do a good enough job of that as it is. Climate change won't change that fact much if any, it will just give them an excuse to blame us with the inherent inferiority of their social systems.
Flooding will not be that big a problem for us. Sure, the beaches might go under, but even if all the ice melted (not likely) we wouldn't have "Water World" because there's not enough water locked up in ice to do that. There's only enough to raise sea levels about 200 feet or so. Realistic projections are only saying climate change could raise sea levels 20 feet.
A "Venus effect" is something out of science fiction.
You "think" we will benefit - and we're supposed to take your word over the word of the bulk of the world's scientists? Sorry, pal, that's not good enough for me.

Furthermore, a 20-foot sea rise would CATASTROPHICALLY affect the world, its people, and its politics. But given that you write off the third world, I guess you don't care, huh?

The Venus effect is no such thing; scientists are quite certain that runaway greenhouse effect caused Venus to be the inhospitable world it is today. It's at least a POSSIBILITY, and not one any sane person would accept.

I find it harder and harder to take your comments seriously.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#35329 Apr 24, 2013
COAL IS KING wrote:
<quoted text>
Granted there will be tradeoffs, but overall I think the U.S., Europe, and Russia will benefit.
I don't care about the "massive social and political disruptions" in the cesspools of the world. They do a good enough job of that as it is. Climate change won't change that fact much if any, it will just give them an excuse to blame us with the inherent inferiority of their social systems.
Flooding will not be that big a problem for us. Sure, the beaches might go under, but even if all the ice melted (not likely) we wouldn't have "Water World" because there's not enough water locked up in ice to do that. There's only enough to raise sea levels about 200 feet or so. Realistic projections are only saying climate change could raise sea levels 20 feet.
A "Venus effect" is something out of science fiction.
We have had hundreds of years to adapt to climate conditions and our agricultural system is attuned to it. We understand how things work. Are we willing to gamble that an abrupt change in climate will not disrupt this balance. With increasingly violent storms, hail, heavy rains and winds in some areas and droughts in others will agriculture be able to maintain the ever more productive future that it has for many years to feed the world? Tributary flooding, coastal inundation along with more severe hurricanes will stress the ability of society to contend with the distruction and massive migration that will surely occurr. Are we willing to gamble that this will not happen? I am not understanding how this will be a good thing.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35330 Apr 24, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
We have had hundreds of years to adapt to climate conditions and our agricultural system is attuned to it. We understand how things work. Are we willing to gamble that an abrupt change in climate will not disrupt this balance. With increasingly violent storms, hail, heavy rains and winds in some areas and droughts in others will agriculture be able to maintain the ever more productive future that it has for many years to feed the world? Tributary flooding, coastal inundation along with more severe hurricanes will stress the ability of society to contend with the distruction and massive migration that will surely occurr. Are we willing to gamble that this will not happen? I am not understanding how this will be a good thing.
My god, I agreed with that. Are you feeling OK?:)
Dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#35331 Apr 24, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
We have had hundreds of years to adapt to climate conditions and our agricultural system is attuned to it. We understand how things work. Are we willing to gamble that an abrupt change in climate will not disrupt this balance. With increasingly violent storms, hail, heavy rains and winds in some areas and droughts in others will agriculture be able to maintain the ever more productive future that it has for many years to feed the world? Tributary flooding, coastal inundation along with more severe hurricanes will stress the ability of society to contend with the distruction and massive migration that will surely occurr. Are we willing to gamble that this will not happen? I am not understanding how this will be a good thing.
Experiments suggest that CO2 does not play a factor in such extreme weather events.

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1... (2002)015%3C2395:CICIIT%3E2.0. CO%3B2

"The coefficient of variation of precipitation (i.e., the ratio between the standard deviation and the mean) also tends to increase in most areas, especially where the mean precipitation decreases. However, the changes in variability are less similar between the 19 experiments than the changes in mean temperature and precipitation, at least partly because they have a much lower signal-to-noise ratio."
"
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35332 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
This is whiny boy's idea of an "answer," notice.
"Burning ALL coal..."
..nowhere did I specify any type of coal, just that burning coal has been linked to acid rain. I know of no type of coal that, burned without scrubbing technology, does NOT put S02 in the atmosphere and thereby cause acid rain, either, which appears to make Brain a LIAR.
"C02 isn't acid rain..."
No one said it was, of course, but Brian. Naturally he's trying to conflate the two in order to excuse his gross error. But burning coal...ALL kinds of coal....does indeed put more C02 into the atmosphere than any other kind of fuel.
Why would anyone do anything but laugh at Brian's silly posturing and trolling?:)
Check out the train wreck that is the Kemper County Lignite plant, north of my hometown.

Unproven technology, complicit politicians, cost overruns, rate increases, pollution, emissions, strip mining, and relocation of residents.

It will personally impact me, and thousands of other south Mississippi residents, as my power bill is expected to rise between, no one can say for sure, 16% and 61%! We start getting charged for the electricity before it is even produced! Manufacturers, casinos, and big commercial establishments are EXEMPT! from any rate increases approved by the Public Service Commission!

My neighbor and my sister-in-law's boyfriend both work there and have told me stories of sloppy workmanship and coasting labor. Rework, rework, rework. Sixteen inch pipe out of alignment by 3 inches, having to be torn out and redone. Waste and more waste. People will likely go to jail after it's all over with.

Lyin brian is like our Republican state legislators, sees nothing wrong with all this, it's the cost of doing business and progress and all...doing business on the backs of people that can't afford it; progress toward emitting more GHG's.

mississippi.sierraclub.org/issues/kempercount...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35333 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
The Venus effect is no such thing; It's at least a POSSIBILITY, and not one any sane person would accept.
Yeah, considering Venus has roughly 220,000 times the CO2 in its atmosphere as the Earth does, & the world's industry is working hard for hundreds of years to increase Earth atmosphere's CO2 by 2.......

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