Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Which merely makes them sound hypothethese - but they remain for the moment hypotheses nonetheless.
Er, no pops.

That would make them observations.

Science really isn't your thing.

Tried gardening?

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Your argument is with the author of the article and his sources, not me.
And you're still running from it.
Weak, Perfesser.
Um, no, that's clearly YOUR loud hoofbeats running away from your own article as fast as you can, I'd say.

LOL! Idiot...:)

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Which merely makes them sound hypothethese - but they remain for the moment hypotheses nonetheless.
You wouldn't know a hypothesis from the hole in your arse. LOL!
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Snowing like he11 here.
A year ago the warm spring was PROOF Global Warming was indeed here to stay.
OK by those rules the COLD 2013 spring PROVES Global Cooling has arrived.
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the COLD 2013 spring PROVES Global Cooling has arrived.
Arctic temperatures above the 80th parallel have been above normal for ~180+ out of the last 230 days. That proves that global warming has arrived.

Actually, that is y u r cold. Extra energy AGW warm fronts push hard into the Arctic, warming the NP. Simultaneously, Arctic cold fronts are pushed south, onto populated southern areas. Arctic cold fronts can be pushed as far south as Mexico, Central America, China & India.
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i hoodwinked u wrote:
Snowing like he11 here.
Temperatures are in the minus mid-twenties degC. on the north shores of Hudson Bay. You should be cold. However, temperatures from the southern tip of Greenland to northern Russia are above freezing & as high as +17degC.(+63degF).

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Updates on the carbon economy. Report from UK
Hundreds of billions of dollars in fossil fuel investments would be stranded, triggering a potential economic crisis, if companies continue to invest in fossil fuels while governments introduce stronger policies to limit global warming, a new report says. the joint study from UK-based Climate Tracker Initiative and the Grantham Institute finds that $674 billion was spent on exploring and developing new fossil fuel reserves around the world in 2012.
But the groups found the greenhouse gas emissions associated with current and planned fossil fuel development will easily eclipse what can be emitted to limit global warming to 2 degrees the target agreed by countries at United Nations climate talks.
The Grantham Institute's Lord Nicholas Stern who wrote the the landmark 2006 Stern Review on the costs of climate change for the UK government writes that the findings show a "gross inconsistency between current valuations of fossil fuel assets and the path governments have committed to take in order to manage the huge risks of climate change".
The report warns the inconsistency could lead to a financial "carbon bubble".
"Smart investors can already see that most fossil fuel reserves are essentially unburnable because of the need to reduce emissions in line with the global agreement [on climate change]," he said.
The report estimates the plant's proven fossil fuel reserves, including those owned by state owned companies, have potential emissions of 2860 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide.
Companies listed on the stock exchange represent about a quarter of those potential emissions, at 762 billion tonnes. But if all future development flagged by global resource companies goes ahead then those emissions will double to 1541 billion tonnes.
Modelling used by the groups indicates that to have a 50 to 80 per cent chance of keeping global warming to 2 degrees, emissions to 2050 will have to be capped at 1075 to 900 billion tonnes.
Climate Tracker says the difference reflects a stark contradiction between capital markets and climate change policy, and fossil fuel investment continues unabated without recognising potential future constraints on its use.
It says once fossil fuels from state owned projects is factored in, private firms will need to leave unused 60 to 80 per cent of the coal, oil and gas they are developing if the 2 degree target is to be met. Climate Tracker's research director James Leaton said: "The message we want to get out there is that with every dollar you put into developing more you are making the problem worse. We really want shareholders to push companies to give more scrutiny on where they are spending their money," Mr Leaton said. The report says financial regulators and investors should reassess their definitions of risk to account for the "carbon bubble", and push for greater transparency around the financial exposure of companies and markets to future constraints on greenhouse gas emissions. An Australian analysis of the "unburnable carbon" by Citibank, released earlier this month, found investments worth about 14 per cent of the value of the Australian Stock Exchange was exposed to future limits on fossil fuel emissions. But the report, by Citibank analyst Elaine Prior, said it was more likely the world will have greater fossil fuel use, and subsequently a greater degree of warming, than it was to keep global warming to 2 degrees.
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Interesting photos of Greenland. Photos of the melting icepack were first available in 2000 AD.

So all this fear of ice melt is based on 12 years of history?

Are you kidding?
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i hoodwink u wrote:
......12 years of history?
Greenland ice loss pre-dated 2000.

Your history is a lack of science & mathematics in your hi skule DEE-plooomaa. Of course, you have no science or mathematics degrees from University. Might not have a degree, at all. You do have a hi skule DEE-plooomaa?

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Snowing like he11 here.
A year ago the warm spring was PROOF Global Warming was indeed here to stay.
OK by those rules the COLD 2013 spring PROVES Global Cooling has arrived.
The St. Paul Troll brings the same brilliant, incisive commentary to Climate science that he's always brought to politics.

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No you haven't.
Temperatures are within the range of the models- no reason to doubt the models.
The chance of temperatures being where they are is about the same as throwing a double six in dice. Throw a couple of double sixes in a row and I'll start to believe the dice are bent.
Not impressed by the dangers? Well, fools are hardly ever concerned with risks, especially old fools who can leave other to suffer the consequences of their arrogance.
Let's quit fencing.

Here's an attempt for a straight, non-propagandized, non-cherry-picked data scientific answer from you:

1) Take the model predictions made 17 +/- years ago of what GAT would be today - the whole range band from most likely out to 3-sigma high and low. What were those values?

2) What are recorded GAT data currently saying?

3) How many sigma adrift from the "most likely" model prediction for current temps are those values now falling to the low side? What is the corresponding confidence value, assuming short-term deviations are normally distributed about the model predicted long-term mean trend?

It';s that simple. Straight data, no booolsheet, please. Then amybe we'll have the basis of a truly rational, scientific conversation about what that means.
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Er, no pops.
That would make them observations.
Science really isn't your thing.
Tried gardening?
No, lame dodge, that would make them observations you are hypothesizing explain the delta between model predictions and actual observations.

Case not made.

Intellectually honest science really isn't your thing, is it?

Tried rhetoric and politics?
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Troll. Ignore.

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No, lame dodge, that would make them observations you are hypothesizing explain the delta between model predictions and actual observations.
Case not made.
Intellectually honest science really isn't your thing, is it?
Tried rhetoric and politics?
Sorry, you're wrong, they are observations, and in this case they agree with the models.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/gr...

Of course, if you know better, feel free to publish in the scientific literature.

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Let's quit fencing.
Here's an attempt for a straight, non-propagandized, non-cherry-picked data scientific answer from you:
1) Take the model predictions made 17 +/- years ago of what GAT would be today - the whole range band from most likely out to 3-sigma high and low. What were those values?
2) What are recorded GAT data currently saying?
3) How many sigma adrift from the "most likely" model prediction for current temps are those values now falling to the low side? What is the corresponding confidence value, assuming short-term deviations are normally distributed about the model predicted long-term mean trend?
It';s that simple. Straight data, no booolsheet, please. Then amybe we'll have the basis of a truly rational, scientific conversation about what that means.
I gave you a straight answer: the chance of observing the temperatures we did was about the same as a double six in dice.

An improbable event, but hardly one that's going to make you think the dice are bent.

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Curious you don't go after REAL trolls, then, innit DoucheBot?:)
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Not withstanding:

Snowing like he11 here.

A year ago the warm spring was PROOF Global

Warming was indeed here to stay.

OK by those rules the COLD 2013 spring PROVES Global Cooling has arrived.

The truth hurts don't it?
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i hoodwinked u wrote:
Snowing like he11 here.
Arctic temperatures above the 80th parallel have been above normal for ~180+ out of the last 230 days. That proves that global warming has arrived.

Actually, that is y u r cold. Extra energy AGW warm fronts push hard into the Arctic, warming the NP. Simultaneously, Arctic cold fronts are pushed south, onto populated southern areas. Arctic cold fronts can be pushed as far south as Mexico, Central America, China & India.

Temperatures are in the minus mid-twenties degC. on the north shores of Hudson Bay. You should be cold. However, temperatures from the southern tip of Greenland to northern Russia are above freezing & as high as +20degC.(+68degF).

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