Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 59545 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35079 Apr 12, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> There are a whole lot more trees now in America than a hundred years ago. In fact new growth is out pacing harvesting by up to 42% a year in places. Fossil fuel use is way down and what is being burned is far cleaner than 100 years ago too. Now why doesn't your science factor in these truths?
It's called *global* warming dude. Number of trees up in the US? That's good, but what about the rest of the world?

Global fossil fuel use is up. Yes, it's cleaner, but that's other pollutants, not CO2. CO2 is way up and increasing.(Cleaner emissions are due to *regulations* by the way.)

http://www.carbonbrief.org/media/106046/scree...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35080 Apr 12, 2013
flack wrote:
57% of human emitted CO2 is removed by the biosphere and oceans.
You think that's a good thing?

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acid...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35081 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This is evidence global warming is faith based pseudoscience.
A troll wants to cause a commotion and get people ranting and raving because they want their presence on a forum or comments thread to be the main focus. They want the spotlight and attention on them.

To do this they will disrupt the flow of conversation, provoke fellow commenters and/or post abusive statements to inflame a response.

Often they will play devils advocate, vigorously defending statements or positions they know to be illogical or untrue in an attempt to get people riled up.
http://www.insidersedge.co.uk/lifestyletips/h...

One of the favourite tools of the troll is of course to turn truth on its head: it's AGW denial that's faith based pseudoscience.

All of the world's scientific academies have looked at the evidence and come to the conclusion that AGW is real and we need to do something about it.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#35082 Apr 12, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<[URL deleted] One of the favourite tools of the troll is of course to turn truth on its head: it's AGW denial that's faith based pseudoscience. All of the world's scientific academies have looked at the evidence and come to the conclusion that AGW is real and we need to do something about it.
They haven't all concluded we need to do the same thing, there is disagreement. Some believe there's nothing to be done about climate; the experimental branch of man made greenhouse gas climate theory.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#35083 Apr 12, 2013
The green troll gives troll lessons for free.
SpaceBlues

United States

#35084 Apr 12, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> There are a whole lot more trees now in America than a hundred years ago. In fact new growth is out pacing harvesting by up to 42% a year in places. Fossil fuel use is way down and what is being burned is far cleaner than 100 years ago too. Now why doesn't your science factor in these truths?
Nonsense.

Why don't you provide evidence to your nonsense? You can't because you have none.

Let's take the US trees. Are you telling me there were not trees where there are now highways, pipelines, airports, housing for about 330 million people, supermarkets, schools, hospitals, facilities for the biggest army in the world, ports, factories, refineries, mines, sewage ponds, electricity transmission lines, stadiums of all kinds, shopping centers, large farms, large ranches, animal slaughter conglomerates, harvest silos, animal grazing fields, warehouses, garbage dump sites, grass lawns, supermarkets, truck stops, parking lots, police stations of all kinds, the most and largest prisons in the world, detention centers, zoos, play grounds, rodeo grounds, film studios, opera houses, theaters, concert halls, track fields, rest homes, pharmacies, border facilities, new government buildings of all kinds, bus depots, golf courses, tennis courts, ball fields, telescope sites, museums, business buildings, court buildings, city buildings, dams, fish ponds, swimming pools, city-water and distribution systems, end-to-end railroads, shipyards, boat hangers, plane hangers, NASA/space facilities, immigration facilities, garages, car repair shops, tree farms, helicopter pads, the biggest mail system in the world, tv stations, rental car agencies, car lots, electronic factories, Apple, MS, ski facilities, ski hills, telecommunication facilities, sink holes, lumber yards, movie theaters, sewage lines, telephone towers, restaurants, fast food eateries, cafetarias, Walmart, Topix headquarters,..?
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35085 Apr 12, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]The green troll gives troll lessons for free.[/QUOTE]

"lyin' brian' gives slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms AND 4 alleged & 4 proud threats for free.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35086 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This is evidence global warming is faith based pseudoscience.
You're a liar, Brainless_G. Plain and simple. Don't lie about what I say, boy.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35087 Apr 12, 2013
flack wrote:
There are a whole lot more trees now in America than a hundred years ago. In fact new growth is out pacing harvesting by up to 42% a year in places. Fossil fuel....... burned is far cleaner than 100 years ago too.
Don't take credit for Gifford Pinchot's efforts to corral the timber barons, who were cutting as many trees as they could, would have left the U.S. a treeless desert, & caused logger deathrates higher than warfare! A third of 18 years would never be 65 years old & 20% of loggers were injured...... PER YEAR!

Your 42% new growth rate is an industry lie(probably referring to 10-by-10 miles region in some undesignated area), as major forests world-wide are disappearing, both legally & illegally.

Again, don't take credit for decades of hard work by environmentalists to get protection from people's lungs, heart & neuorlogical diseases caused by air pollution. The major industries cried all the way to the bank, saying they never would survive if healthy air was established. Of course, those major industries still cry in places like China, S.America, & other developing nations.
Teddy R

San Francisco, CA

#35088 Apr 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense.
Why don't you provide evidence to your nonsense? You can't because you have none.
Let's take the US trees. Are you telling me there were not trees where there are now highways, pipelines, airports, housing for about 330 million people, supermarkets, schools, hospitals, facilities for the biggest army in the world, ports, factories, refineries, mines, sewage ponds, electricity transmission lines, stadiums of all kinds, shopping centers, large farms, large ranches, animal slaughter conglomerates, harvest silos, animal grazing fields, warehouses, garbage dump sites, grass lawns, supermarkets, truck stops, parking lots, police stations of all kinds, the most and largest prisons in the world, detention centers, zoos, play grounds, rodeo grounds, film studios, opera houses, theaters, concert halls, track fields, rest homes, pharmacies, border facilities, new government buildings of all kinds, bus depots, golf courses, tennis courts, ball fields, telescope sites, museums, business buildings, court buildings, city buildings, dams, fish ponds, swimming pools, city-water and distribution systems, end-to-end railroads, shipyards, boat hangers, plane hangers, NASA/space facilities, immigration facilities, garages, car repair shops, tree farms, helicopter pads, the biggest mail system in the world, tv stations, rental car agencies, car lots, electronic factories, Apple, MS, ski facilities, ski hills, telecommunication facilities, sink holes, lumber yards, movie theaters, sewage lines, telephone towers, restaurants, fast food eateries, cafetarias, Walmart, Topix headquarters,..?
The poster is not entirely wrong, particularly in the most populous Northern States, and certainly deserved a more respectful and fact-based response from you.

Educate yourself. Acquaint yourself with the facts before posting:

http://www.fia.fs.fed.us/library/briefings-su...
SpaceBlues

United States

#35089 Apr 12, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
The poster is not entirely wrong, particularly in the most populous Northern States, and certainly deserved a more respectful and fact-based response from you.
Educate yourself. Acquaint yourself with the facts before posting:
Wrong is wrong.

Once again, Teddy is WRONG.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35090 Apr 12, 2013
litesong wrote:
.......timber barons, who were cutting as many trees as they could, would have left the U.S. a treeless desert, & caused logger deathrates higher than warfare! A third of 18 years would never be 65 years old & 20% of loggers were injured...... PER YEAR!
//////////
Should be:

.......timber barons, who were cutting as many trees as they could, would have left the U.S. a treeless desert, & caused logger deathrates higher than warfare! A third of 18 year-olds would never be 65 years old & 20% of loggers were injured...... PER YEAR!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35091 Apr 12, 2013
Anyway amongst all the crap that the deniers post the one consistent point they make is no matter how much development, no matter how much land clearing takes place and no matter how much fossil fuel we burn combined on the planet, it comes at NO cost! Which reflects how advanced we are as a culture when that type of thinking takes place along with the right to bear arms or killing others under a banner of religious or political beliefs. About as advanced as a house brick!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35092 Apr 12, 2013
my 2 cents worth

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#35093 Apr 12, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
You're a liar, Brainless_G. Plain and simple. Don't lie about what I say, boy.
He said: "...4. That climate modeling is able to predict what will happen in the future. >>It can with some degree of certainty, which has increased as models and computers have increased in sophistication...." That claim isn't based on science, it's a faith based belief.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#35095 Apr 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong is wrong.
Once again, Teddy is WRONG.
Data is data. Facts are facts.

Once again, I post links to authoritative data, and once again SpaceCase posts completely unsupported bullshyte assertions.

SpaceCase = Fail.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#35096 Apr 13, 2013
*data are data.
SpaceBlues

United States

#35097 Apr 13, 2013
Troll warning. Avoid feeding it.
SpaceBlues

United States

#35098 Apr 13, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Anyway amongst all the crap that the deniers post the one consistent point they make is no matter how much development, no matter how much land clearing takes place and no matter how much fossil fuel we burn combined on the planet, it comes at NO cost! Which reflects how advanced we are as a culture when that type of thinking takes place along with the right to bear arms or killing others under a banner of religious or political beliefs. About as advanced as a house brick!
First peace treaty on this planet, we think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Istanbul_-... (1269_a.C.)_-_Foto_G._Dall%27O rto_28-5-2006.jpg
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35099 Apr 13, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]climate modeling is able to predict......it's a faith based belief.[/QUOTE]

I predict 'lyin' brian' will make more errors. My prediction is based on:

When dirtling,'earthling has no brain','eart hling(alien has no affinity for Earth)' was around,'lyin' brian', with its errors of as much as 1 million TIMES, was small pototoes to dirtling's error of 500 million TIMES. Jealous,'lyin' brian' then popped an error of 73 million TIMES. Still not as great as dirtling's 500 million TIMES, but 'lyin' brian' gave a good effort.

But now, with dirtling gone(6 months?),'lyin' brian' dumps an error of 2.5+ trillion TIMES,~35,000 TIMES more than its error of 73 million times. I knew that 'lyin' brian' could beat dirtling...... & dirtling never got its hi skule DEE-plooomaa.

Very good,'lyin' brian'...... you live up to your name,'lyin' brian'. I'm glad I adopted it from Kyle.

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