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Tricia McMillen

Chicago, IL

#34804 Mar 29, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
BOO!
Oh, there you are. Come along home , dear . I have some milk nd oreos for you and you can watch Garfield Goose if you like.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34805 Mar 29, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
Climate scientists are discussing why surface temperatures haven't been increasing quite so rapidly recently, but the people determined not to take action on AGW are deliberately misunderstanding and misinterpreting the discussion, as this link proves.

Climate science says the slow-down may be an indication of lower sensitivity, or it may be an indication of natural variability. As we have evidence that natural variability (more heat entering the deep ocean, more volcanic activity causing cooling), the lower sensitivity argument may be a bit premature.

Those determined not to take action on AGW see only one side of the discussion- the side that supports what they already want to do of course.

The idea of consensus over climate sensitivity is a straw man- it's something still subject to scientific debate- but the misinterpretation of the debate is very real.

The Economist's article is halfway decent.

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-tec...

With a few flaws.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/hausfather-ec...

The Australian's article is agenda driven distortion.

Since: Jan 13

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#34806 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>A bunch of equine excrement.
Actually, Brain_Gone, EVERYTHING you say is wrong. Just remember that. I hope it's worth your progeny's deep derision to get a few shekels now.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34807 Mar 29, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
No, you are not a scientist. Your posts inform us of your ignorance. For example, you don't know that fossil fuels are radioactive, so are their combustion products. It isn't just the mercury and other toxic elements and their compounds but also, radioactive compounds. Why are the tall stacks, etc.?
I'm discussing CO2, that's not toxic or radioactive in the air. The sun provides us with the radiation we need and CO2 helps hold in the warmth we need to survive.

Don't panic, and try to avoid irrational arguments based on ad hominem fallacies.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34808 Mar 29, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
Actually, Brain_Gone, EVERYTHING you say is wrong. Just remember that. I hope it's worth your progeny's deep derision to get a few shekels now.
I don't make up fake quotes 'from' my opponents. I believe in truth; this is where we differ.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34809 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I believe in truth.
Sure. You believe in shitting on it.
litesong

Everett, WA

#34810 Mar 29, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Why are the tall stacks........?
Because industry, conservatives, re-pubic-lick-uns & dimwits think that dilution is the solution to pollution...... & if they can send the evidence far away, they can't be proven to be at fault for deaths, disease, & hurt.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#34811 Mar 29, 2013
Tricia McMillen wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, there you are. Come along home , dear . I have some milk nd oreos for you and you can watch Garfield Goose if you like.
I don't like milk and Oreos aren't really my thing. haven't heard of Garfield Goose. But I AM having a Captain Morgan and Sierra Mist, just smoked a bowl, and am going to go game while I watch Family Guy.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34812 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
Sure. You believe in shitting on it.
Posting a false quote from an opponent isn't truth.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34813 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I don't make up fake quotes 'from' my opponents. I believe in truth; this is where we differ.
No, Brain_Gone, you believe in oil-money-encrusted lies. Let's look at the numbers of paper since 1991 that reject GW:

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/...

The consensus is clear, & some 97% of publishing climatologists agree. These are people who tend to be so obstreperous you couldn't get them to agree that it's Friday.

1. The earth is warming.
2. This warming is principally caused by humans, mainly because of burning fossil fuels.
3. This warming represents a potential major danger to human civilization.

These are scientific facts, BG, based on more than 150 years of science. I'm sorry for you that these things are true, but they are. Scientific facts are true no matter how many times you repeat that they're not.

Any progress on working out your proof that your changing of the atmosphere is safe? We're waiting with baited breath.
litesong

Everett, WA

#34814 Mar 29, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
That the kind of experiment you want done for global warming.
No.'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' is just delaying, so its employers can rake in the most money.'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' just works for its 2-bit wages, & won't get any 100 million dollar bonus, stock options or retirement packages that is being distributed to the upper crust paper shufflers & people shovers.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#34815 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, there's been experiments that show the effects of mutation but not an entire phylum evolving from another phylum. We have real world experimental results and we don't need to mitigate evolution.
If gcavman1 wanted to mitigate bird evolution, I'd need to test that mitigation on a smaller scale before supporting the policy.
.
<quoted text>We need an experiment that shows the smallest measurable man made climate change, that's not the same as evolving dinosaurs into birds.
.
<quoted text>There were thousands of experiments before the first bomb, showing the effects of nuclear chain reaction.
.
<quoted text>Then they experimentally tested the bomb before they used it in the war. They had a good idea of the power, since stayed out of the blast radius while watching the test.
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<quoted text>I want to see a compelling test of climate change mitigation before I buy in, show us how much good it might do at what cost. Every other technology is tested before its implemented, you don't take untested drugs. Why less safety when it comes to our planet's climate?
There were thousands of experiments before the first bomb, showing the effects of nuclear chain reaction.

How many cities were blown up?

Then they experimentally tested the bomb before they used it in the war. They had a good idea of the power, since stayed out of the blast radius while watching the test.

How many cities were blown up before they finally did the REAL experiment?

Everything was theory until that first explosion in the desert.
Global warming is just as valid a theory but you won't believe it even when the ice all melts in your ex-Nazi neighborhood.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#34816 Mar 29, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
..... in your('brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver') ex-Nazi neighborhood.
How dare you say that 'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' hangs on in Germany for neo-Nazi affiliations?

Very accurately, I'd say.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#34817 Mar 29, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>No maybe we already know your a Dumb ASSumption of your---self. Now big mouth post your peer reviewed published work and defends your Dumb ASSumption you make of your---self. Now you look it up.
Look this up........'!
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#34818 Mar 29, 2013
brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver wrote:
I believe in truth......
"brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" believes in slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms & 4 alleged & 4 proud threats. "brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" believes its errors of 1million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES & 73 million TIMES were accurate.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#34819 Mar 29, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't like milk and Oreos aren't really my thing. haven't heard of Garfield Goose. But I AM having a Captain Morgan and Sierra Mist, just smoked a bowl, and am going to go game while I watch Family Guy.
Except for the milk and Oreos part..........sounds like a plan....
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34820 Mar 29, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>No, you are not a scientist. Your posts inform us of your ignorance.
For example, you don't know that fossil fuels are radioactive, so are their combustion products.
It isn't just the mercury and other toxic elements and their compounds but also, radioactive compounds.
Why are the tall stacks, etc.?
But B_gone posted to another poster:
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Posting a false quote from an opponent isn't truth.
You can't handle the truth. Proof is in your response to my post above:
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm discussing CO2, that's not toxic or radioactive in the air. The sun provides us with the radiation we need and CO2 helps hold in the warmth we need to survive.
Don't panic, and try to avoid irrational arguments based on ad hominem fallacies.
NONRESPONSIVE. LIAR.

REPEAT with me: Fossil fuels and their combustion products are radioactive.

What are the tall atacks for?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34821 Mar 29, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>To B_gone:

No, you are not a scientist. Your posts inform us of your ignorance.
For example, you don't know that fossil fuels are radioactive, so are their combustion products.
It isn't just the mercury and other toxic elements and their compounds but also, radioactive compounds.
Why are the tall stacks, etc.?
Fossil fuels and their combustion products are toxic, radioactive, and carcinogenic.

B_gone lies about this fact.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34822 Mar 29, 2013
Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled
BY:GRAHAM LLOYD, ENVIRONMENT EDITOR From: The Australian March 30, 2013 12:00AM

n a lengthy article this week, The Economist magazine said if climate scientists were credit-rating agencies, then climate sensitivity - the way climate reacts to changes in carbon-dioxide levels - would be on negative watch but not yet downgraded.

Another paper published by leading climate scientist James Hansen, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the lower than expected temperature rise between 2000 and the present could be explained by increased emissions from burning coal.

For Hansen the pause is a fact, but it's good news that probably won't last.

International Panel on Climate Change chairman Rajendra Pachauri recently told The Weekend Australian the hiatus would have to last 30 to 40 years "at least" to break the long-term warming trend....

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34823 Mar 29, 2013
t’s the cold, not global warming, that we should be worried about
No one seems upset that in modern Britain, old people are freezing to death as hidden taxes make fuel more expensive

A few months ago, a group of students in Oslo produced a brilliant spoof video that lampooned the charity pop song genre. It showed a group of young Africans coming together to raise money for those of us freezing in the north.“A lot of people aren’t aware of what’s going on there right now,” says the African equivalent of Bob Geldof.“People don’t ignore starving people, so why should we ignore cold people? Frostbite kills too. Africa: we need to make a difference.” The song – Africa for Norway – has been watched online two million times, making it one of Europe’s most popular political videos.
The aim was to send up the patronising, cliched way in which the West views Africa. Norway can afford to make the joke because there, people don’t tend to die of the cold. In Britain, we still do. Each year, an official estimate is made of the “excess winter mortality”– that is, the number of people dying of cold-related illnesses. Last winter was relatively mild, and still 24,000 perished. The indications are that this winter, which has dragged on so long and with such brutality, will claim 30,000 lives, making it one of the biggest killers in the country. And still, no one seems upset....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth...

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