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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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kristy wrote:
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Geesh, make up your mind. In an earlier post, you claimed I was dishonest and devious for posting the year 2013 as the year when scientists claim the Arctic would be ice free. You claimed that was an outlier and that the consensus of the scientists was 2040-2100 as when the Arctic summer will be ice free, but since caveman posts 2016 as the year, all of a sudden you now tell me the consensus has come down to 2019. Did you just find this out in the last 24 hours? And how I am being devious for posting something every major media outlet posted? Is the media devious and dishonest?
Calm down dear and think.

"Some" != consensus by any stretch of the imagination.
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Olympian nit-picking and straw-grabbing. But, there's no OFFICIAL competition for those.
"Now we hear..." does not tell us who you heard it from. But assuming your source is right and isn't Anthony Watts, did you think about it at all?
Snow is not as durable as ice, especially if you are talking about 2 feet of snow compared to six feet of ice. With warming temperatures in the Arctic, which will last longer? Your failure to analyze shows a lack of logical thinking ability.
You have no tools to effectively debate what is happening. Fair Game has answered you for all of us.
You're devious. You're dishonest. Are you dumb as well?
So your logical thinking is that there is only one direction for the Arctic to go and that is ice free. You are saying that the Arctic will never recover?
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Blocking is not unnatural. The increased frequency of blocking events is, and very clearly linked to the burning of fossil fuels by science.
Yeah, clear as mud...now how is blocking very clearly linked to fossil fuels? From the your link:

"This is preliminary research that has yet to be published, and much more work needs to be done before we can confidently link Arctic sea ice loss with an increase in extreme weather, though."

From NOAA :

"In their report, the scientists concluded that the extreme temperatures were caused by the formation of a blocking pattern, a massive high-pressure ridge that halted the normal movement of cooling storms from the west and allowed warm air to flow north from the tropics. Such anomalies are relatively common and the result of natural actions, though the intensity of the one over Russia was highly unusual. Martin Hoerling, co-author of the study and head of the climate attribution team at the Earth System Research Laboratory, said that the frequency and intensity of blocking patterns is not driven primarily by heat and should not increase with the expected rise in global temperatures over the 21st century due to man-made causes."

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/nat...

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Yeah, clear as mud...now how is blocking very clearly linked to fossil fuels? From the your link:
"This is preliminary research that has yet to be published, and much more work needs to be done before we can confidently link Arctic sea ice loss with an increase in extreme weather, though."
Science moves on. That quote is from 2011.

This one is from 2012.
This unnatural pattern is due to human heating of the climate through emissions of greenhouse gases that result from burning fossil fuels, according to the study published this week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


Deniers don't move on, They just get angrier and angrier and dumber and dumbed. Like you.

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is that there is only one direction for the Arctic to go and that is ice free. You are saying that the Arctic will never recover?
While we pump more CO2 into the atmosphere and the Arctic gets warmer and warmer?

Duh, no.
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So your logical thinking is that there is only one direction for the Arctic to go and that is ice free. You are saying that the Arctic will never recover?
"Global Warming" shadenfreude.
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kristy wrote:
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Geesh, make up your mind. In an earlier post, you claimed I was dishonest and devious for posting the year 2013 as the year when scientists claim the Arctic would be ice free. You claimed that was an outlier and that the consensus of the scientists was 2040-2100 as when the Arctic summer will be ice free, but since caveman posts 2016 as the year, all of a sudden you now tell me the consensus has come down to 2019. Did you just find this out in the last 24 hours? And how I am being devious for posting something every major media outlet posted? Is the media devious and dishonest?
I never posted 2016 as the year for an ice-free Arctic.

Are you dishonest? Or dumb?
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So your logical thinking is that there is only one direction for the Arctic to go and that is ice free. You are saying that the Arctic will never recover?
Logically, it will generally go in one direction, in the present and projected circumstances.

I feel sure the Arctic will recover, but not in our grandchildren's lifetime.
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gcaveman1 wrote:
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Logically, it will generally go in one direction, in the present and projected circumstances.
I feel sure the Arctic will recover, but not in our grandchildren's lifetime.
What's the basis for your "feeling sure?"

Excellent review to read here:

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/103364

"....... The rapidly disappearing Arctic icecap is a tipping point in motion. In all likelihood, statistically speaking, itís gone, history. Within a few years when the ice disappears entirely, for the first time in 3 (or as many as 13) million years, hold on because our weather patterns will be drastically destabilized. Most folks in my field are still reluctant to acknowledge this 800 pound gorilla staring us right in the face..... "
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<quoted text>What's the basis for your "feeling sure?"
Excellent review to read here:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/103364
"....... The rapidly disappearing Arctic icecap is a tipping point in motion. In all likelihood, statistically speaking, itís gone, history. Within a few years when the ice disappears entirely, for the first time in 3 (or as many as 13) million years, hold on because our weather patterns will be drastically destabilized. Most folks in my field are still reluctant to acknowledge this 800 pound gorilla staring us right in the face..... "
I feel sure it will recover because, as the deniers constantly lecture, the earth has been through all this before, though usually at a slower pace.

Now, it may take a few thousand years, or a few tens of thousands of years, but either after we're gone or after we get smarter, the healing will begin.

It's a self balancing system. Our CO2 and methane will eventually dissipate and the planet will return to its regular cycles.
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Good News from China

China's energy consumption has soared along with its economic growth, including the country's coal consumption. However, given concerns about both climate change and deteriorating air quality (so bad it's sometimes called "airpocalypse"), the Chinese government is signaling a significant shift towards prioritizing environmental and public health, motivated partly by worries that complaints about bad air will lead to public unrest. Currently China consumes 3.9 billion tonnes of coal per year, up from 1.5 billion tonnes in 2000, but policy advisors have signaled that through a focus on energy efficiency and other measures, this rapid growth of Chinese coal consumption is at an end.

"Coal consumption will peak below 4 billion tonnes"

In addition, the Chinese government appears to be on the verge of taking a critical step which has eluded the American and Canadian federal governments, implementing a carbon tax. Although the carbon tax is expected to be modest, China plans to also increase coal taxes. These Chinese policies may reduce global coal shipments 18% within 2 years, and may make China a net coal exporter.

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Don't have China to kick around anymore?

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Thank goodness for people like him trying to keep morons like you off Wikpedia.
You already have your own version anyway- the science denial Conservapedia- where you can read the views of cranks and charlatans on everything from quantum physics to evolution to global warming.
Wikipedia reflects the scientific consensus from the scientific literature, and long may it do so. No, your ignorance is not as good as their knowledge.
Piss off back to the dark ages where you belong.
Why, are you lonely in your flea infested hut? What got him in trouble was that he tried to put words in other people's mouth and the other person resorted to leagal means to correct the post. Of course is came out that on this subject that the true science denial was on Wikipeida.

Also, I have yet to see a professor who list in their syllabus banning Conservipedia but several have mentioned using Wikipedia would result is a big fat zero. I doubt you could find a docuemented example of Conservipedia being caught errors while Wikipeida has plenty of examples. You rright wikipeida reflects the consensus on man made global warming but there is nothing scientific about it. More like something from the dark ages or earlier. I bet your ready to burn me as a witch at the stake.

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Your source for this information is Mark Moran. That disqualifies you.
Your still very sloppy in you writing. I'll bet your house is a mess too.
Mark Moran is far more qualified than William Connonelly is. As for my writing, it is still better than yours. Plus is your hut any better and who does the cleaning, your wife.

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Teener's living right there in the worst of it and yet she continues to deny.
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Built at sea level on reclaimed wetland, Norfolk has faced floods throughout its 400-year history. But as the Atlantic Ocean warms and expands, and parts of the city subside, higher tides and fiercer storms seem to hit harder than they used to.
Dealing with this increased threat has put Norfolk at the forefront of American cities taking the lead on coping with intense weather, from floods to droughts to killer heat, without waiting for the federal government to take the lead.
In Norfolk, home to the largest U.S. Naval base and the second biggest commercial port on the U.S. Atlantic coast, floods are a perennial problem that has worsened in recent decades, Assistant City Manager Ron Williams Jr told Reuters.
The relative sea level around Norfolk has risen 14.5 inches (.37 meter) since 1930, when the low-lying downtown area routinely flooded. The floods are worse now, because the water doesn't have to rise as high to send the river above its banks and into the streets, Williams said.
At the same time, severe storms are more frequent.
"We've had more major storms in the past decade than we've had in the previous four decades," he said.
Extreme rainfall events have increased too.
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But then, that how stupid people drown.
Actually, Norfolk Naval Station dosn't experience flooding because they keep rebuilding different parts of the base every time they modernize a section.

As for the supposed ocean level rise. Please come here and mention it. People can use a laugh. The only few that believe it are a few enviroloons who have to ignore the fact that place like Fort Monroe, Portsmouth Naval Yard, and a host of other sites located near the water have not shown this 14.5 inches. As for Ron Williams Jr, why not ask him about the person who supposed worked for a dozen years and never once showed up for work. She was on his staff. Or about those smart phones they brought for gang leaders. Williams and Mayor Fraim are two of the more bumbling examples of politician. The latest stumble was building a light rail in one of those flooding areas downtown.

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And? So?
You think it's somehow odd that there are editing wars, or that one person was found to be biased? The mere fact that the editing war occurred, & that much of what Connolley said was removed, makes my point that Wiki tends to move toward the truth.
It's arrantly ABSURD to compare Wiki to a communist state where the party has control over everything. Wiki is a DEMOCRATIC environment where anyone can sign on, the exact opposite of totalitarian control.
Wiki is still a good starting place because they link to other sources. You can check everything they say.
You're STILL complaining in the wrong place. If you think Wiki is wrong, then YOU should sign on there & tell them just that.
Well, who got caught by being so obvious about it. You right about Wiki being a democratic enviroment as long as you belong to the right party. The funny thing is the USSR and China are also considered nominally democratic.
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Mark Moran is far more qualified than William Connonelly is. As for my writing, it is still better than yours. Plus is your hut any better and who does the cleaning, your wife.
HA
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My hut is good, self-heating, and I get my bowl of rice every day.... I build, run maintenance, and do minor automotive, and she cooks, cleans, sleeps, and takes care of the sex part.

How's things at your house, hon?
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gcaveman1 wrote:
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I feel sure it will recover because, as the deniers constantly lecture, the earth has been through all this before, though usually at a slower pace.
Now, it may take a few thousand years, or a few tens of thousands of years, but either after we're gone or after we get smarter, the healing will begin.
It's a self balancing system. Our CO2 and methane will eventually dissipate and the planet will return to its regular cycles.
I don't think the Arctic will recover because you can never put the humpty dumpty together again once the nonlinearity is raging and is operating to topple the status quo aka equilibrium condition.

I see a different world land map when an equilibrium is reached eventually. Also, a planet without apes and humans.

Whose healing is of concern?

It's a complex system of competing mechanisms. It could stabilize as a high CO2 and CH4 environment.

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tina anne wrote:
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Mark Moran is far more qualified than William Connonelly is.
Marc Morano is a political hack who made a living making up smears against opponents, and now makes one lying about global warming.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

Connolley used to be a climate scientist.

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I have yet to see a professor who list in their syllabus banning Conservipedia but several have mentioned using Wikipedia would result is a big fat zero. I doubt you could find a docuemented example of Conservipedia being caught errors...
Yeah, global warming, evolution, relativity... all Liberal claptrap. What professor would have a problem with that?

You are truly a moron amongst morons.
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tina anne wrote:
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Actually, Norfolk Naval Station dosn't experience flooding because they keep rebuilding different parts of the base every time they modernize a section.
As for the supposed ocean level rise. Please come here and mention it. People can use a laugh. The only few that believe it are a few enviroloons who have to ignore the fact that place like Fort Monroe, Portsmouth Naval Yard, and a host of other sites located near the water have not shown this 14.5 inches. As for Ron Williams Jr, why not ask him about the person who supposed worked for a dozen years and never once showed up for work. She was on his staff. Or about those smart phones they brought for gang leaders. Williams and Mayor Fraim are two of the more bumbling examples of politician. The latest stumble was building a light rail in one of those flooding areas downtown.
Doesn't matter if you think your local politicians are corrupt or inept. The information on rising sea level came from NASA and NOAA, and you think that they are also corrupt and inept.

As for those who don't believe the sea is rising; they may be like the residents of Naples, who live right next door to Vesuvius. Everything will be fine until it isn't.

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