Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Teener's living right there in the worst of it and yet she continues to deny.
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Built at sea level on reclaimed wetland, Norfolk has faced floods throughout its 400-year history. But as the Atlantic Ocean warms and expands, and parts of the city subside, higher tides and fiercer storms seem to hit harder than they used to.
Dealing with this increased threat has put Norfolk at the forefront of American cities taking the lead on coping with intense weather, from floods to droughts to killer heat, without waiting for the federal government to take the lead.
In Norfolk, home to the largest U.S. Naval base and the second biggest commercial port on the U.S. Atlantic coast, floods are a perennial problem that has worsened in recent decades, Assistant City Manager Ron Williams Jr told Reuters.
The relative sea level around Norfolk has risen 14.5 inches (.37 meter) since 1930, when the low-lying downtown area routinely flooded. The floods are worse now, because the water doesn't have to rise as high to send the river above its banks and into the streets, Williams said.
At the same time, severe storms are more frequent.
"We've had more major storms in the past decade than we've had in the previous four decades," he said.
Extreme rainfall events have increased too.
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But then, that how stupid people drown.
Here's Norfolk after Sandy, which didn't hit Norfolk.... except.......
http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFr...

Not even my car that I just switched to 17 inch tires would have been saved. & my little 25 year old Ford Festiva would have been toast...... soggy toast.
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A study described at http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/02/26/...

Facts to denialists are like throwing gas on a fire; they use them to build more denialism.

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Concerning climate denial, a case in point is the response to events surrounding the illegal hacking of personal emails by climate scientists, mainly at the University of East Anglia, in 2009. Selected content of those emails was used to support the theory that climate scientists conspired to conceal evidence against climate change or manipulated the data (see, e.g., Montford, 2010; Sussman, 2010). After the scientists in question were exonerated by 9 investigations in 2 countries, including various parliamentary and government committees in the U.S. and U. K., those exonerations were re-branded as a whitewash”(see, e.g., U.S. Representative Rohrabacher’s speech in Congress on 8 December 2011), thereby broadening the presumed involvement of people and institutions in the alleged conspiracy.

...the authors discuss implications for science communication, and, unlike most people, I think they actually understand the problem. That is, you can’t fix this problem with more communication, and more data. The nature of the conspiracy theorist is that all additional data and all contradictory data will only be used to demonstrate further evidence of conspiracy, that the conspiracy is even larger, or that the data are fraudulent. The “self-sealing” nature of the conspiracy theory, as the authors describe it, makes it fundamentally immune to penetration by logic, reason, or additional information.

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Very interesting read.

The implication is that deniers are very frightened people; afraid of the threat to their lifestyle, their job, their SUV and Ski-Doo; scared of change, scared of the new and the unknown.
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A study described at http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/02/26/...
Facts to denialists are like throwing gas on a fire; they use them to build more denialism.
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Concerning climate denial, a case in point is the response to events surrounding the illegal hacking of personal emails by climate scientists, mainly at the University of East Anglia, in 2009. Selected content of those emails was used to support the theory that climate scientists conspired to conceal evidence against climate change or manipulated the data (see, e.g., Montford, 2010; Sussman, 2010). After the scientists in question were exonerated by 9 investigations in 2 countries, including various parliamentary and government committees in the U.S. and U. K., those exonerations were re-branded as a whitewash”(see, e.g., U.S. Representative Rohrabacher’s speech in Congress on 8 December 2011), thereby broadening the presumed involvement of people and institutions in the alleged conspiracy.
...the authors discuss implications for science communication, and, unlike most people, I think they actually understand the problem. That is, you can’t fix this problem with more communication, and more data. The nature of the conspiracy theorist is that all additional data and all contradictory data will only be used to demonstrate further evidence of conspiracy, that the conspiracy is even larger, or that the data are fraudulent. The “self-sealing” nature of the conspiracy theory, as the authors describe it, makes it fundamentally immune to penetration by logic, reason, or additional information.
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Very interesting read.
The implication is that deniers are very frightened people; afraid of the threat to their lifestyle, their job, their SUV and Ski-Doo; scared of change, scared of the new and the unknown.
Why are they very angry?

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gcaveman1 wrote:
A study described at http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/02/26/...
Facts to denialists are like throwing gas on a fire; they use them to build more denialism.
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Concerning climate denial, a case in point is the response to events surrounding the illegal hacking of personal emails by climate scientists, mainly at the University of East Anglia, in 2009. Selected content of those emails was used to support the theory that climate scientists conspired to conceal evidence against climate change or manipulated the data (see, e.g., Montford, 2010; Sussman, 2010). After the scientists in question were exonerated by 9 investigations in 2 countries, including various parliamentary and government committees in the U.S. and U. K., those exonerations were re-branded as a whitewash”(see, e.g., U.S. Representative Rohrabacher’s speech in Congress on 8 December 2011), thereby broadening the presumed involvement of people and institutions in the alleged conspiracy.
...the authors discuss implications for science communication, and, unlike most people, I think they actually understand the problem. That is, you can’t fix this problem with more communication, and more data. The nature of the conspiracy theorist is that all additional data and all contradictory data will only be used to demonstrate further evidence of conspiracy, that the conspiracy is even larger, or that the data are fraudulent. The “self-sealing” nature of the conspiracy theory, as the authors describe it, makes it fundamentally immune to penetration by logic, reason, or additional information.
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Very interesting read.
The implication is that deniers are very frightened people; afraid of the threat to their lifestyle, their job, their SUV and Ski-Doo; scared of change, scared of the new and the unknown.
Agree, caveman, very interesting study. On an open forum, though, there are reasons to challenge deniers:

1. There are always lurkers, some of whom will have open minds. They may appreciate solid reasoning & links.

2. Climate is such a planetary emergency that we may have to force some deniers into action. If we wait for current deniers to die off & be replaced by children who've been exposed to climate science from a young age, it may be too late. By then we may have already passed tipping points.

We may have already guaranteed partial collapse of ice sheets & corresponding sea level rise of 12-15 meters or more. The droughts may collapse agriculture long before that happens.
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Why are they very angry?
Because they are slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs AND alleged & proud threateners.
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Agree, caveman, very interesting study. On an open forum, though, there are reasons to challenge deniers:
1. There are always lurkers, some of whom will have open minds. They may appreciate solid reasoning & links.
2. Climate is such a planetary emergency that we may have to force some deniers into action. If we wait for current deniers to die off & be replaced by children who've been exposed to climate science from a young age, it may be too late. By then we may have already passed tipping points.
We may have already guaranteed partial collapse of ice sheets & corresponding sea level rise of 12-15 meters or more. The droughts may collapse agriculture long before that happens.
Oh, I still believe in putting the information out there, just in case there are any fence-sitters. There are always those who have just become aware that something is not right with the weather or the climate, and are looking for answers.

And some deniers will gradually convert to green energy because of the economics, even if they don't change their mindset. The appeal of free or cheap electricity or hot water is pretty much universal.
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Royal Dutch Shell will not drill for oil in Alaska's Arctic seas this year, the company said Wednesday in a widely expected decision that follows a series of high-profile setbacks in 2012.

Both critics and supporters of Shell's controversial Arctic offshore foray welcomed its decision to give up on drilling there for 2013 while the company tries to get its drill ships ready and answers to U.S. investigators.

Michael LeVine, senior Pacific counsel for environmental group Oceana in Juneau, Alaska, said Shell and the government agencies regulating the company faced a "crisis of confidence."

"The decisions to allow Shell to operate in the Arctic Ocean clearly were premature," LeVine said in a statement. "The company is not prepared and has absolutely no one but itself to blame for its failures."
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LONDON -- Energy companies should not drill for crude oil in Arctic waters because the environmental risks are too high, Total SA Chief Executive Officer Christophe de Margerie told the Financial Times on Wednesday.

The newspaper, which operated behind a pay wall, described de Margerie's comments as the first time a major oil company has publicly criticized offshore exploration in the Arctic.

The risk of an oil spill in such an environmentally sensitive area was simply too high, according to de Margerie.

"Oil on Greenland would be a disaster. A leak would do too much damage to the image of the company," he said.

Earlier this month, Gazprom OAO delayed the start of oil production at its Prirazlomnoye field, the first Russian Arctic offshore oil deposit to be developed, due to safety concerns.
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(Reuters)- BP Plc took chances drilling its doomed Macondo well long before it ruptured in 2010, a well design and pressure expert said on Wednesday in the second day of testimony in the civil trial over the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

Alan Huffman, chief technology officer for Fusion Petroleum Technologies Inc, said BP forged ahead with drilling the well in 2009 outside the margin considered safe in the industry and by regulators.

He said there was a "kick" in the well during one of many intervals in drilling, which indicates pressure was unstable and there could be a rupture or other problem. Rather than stop drilling, the work forged ahead with another interval.

"It is truly egregious to drill that extra 100 feet knowing you could lose the well in the process," Huffman testified.

He said the well was "dangerous and fragile" and "they should not have drilled ahead at all."

BP's legal team had yet to cross-examine Huffman, who testified on behalf of the U.S. Justice Department, Gulf states affected by the spill, and plaintiffs suing BP and its partners.

In this first of the trial's three phases, U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier will seek to allocate blame between well owner BP, driller Transocean Ltd, cement services provider Halliburton Co and others, unless a settlement cuts the trial short.

The April 2010 blowout caused an explosion that killed 11 men and sent more than 4 million barrels of crude spewing into the Gulf.

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And they say green energy is too expensive.
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UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 27 2013 (IPS)- Killer heat waves, floods and storms are increasingly caused by climate change, new research reveals.

Scientists in Germany say they have found how greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels are helping to trap the jet stream, resulting in extraordinary weather such as the 2010 Pakistan flood and the 2011 heat wave in the United States.

Human-driven climate change repeatedly disturbs the flow of atmospheric waves around the globe’s Northern hemisphere, said lead author Vladimir Petoukhov of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) in Germany.

Giant atmospheric waves called Rossby waves are meanders in the strong, high-altitude winds known as jet streams and have a major influence on weather. These wave movements are caused by the difference in temperatures between the cold air from the Arctic and hot air from the tropics.

When the waves shift north, they suck warm air from the tropics to Europe, Russia, or the U.S., and when they swing down, they do the same thing with cold air from the Arctic, said Petoukhov.

“During several recent extreme weather events, these planetary waves almost freeze in their tracks for weeks,” he said.“So instead of bringing in cool air after having brought warm air in before, the heat just stays.”

This unnatural pattern is due to human heating of the climate through emissions of greenhouse gases that result from burning fossil fuels, according to the study published this week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

However, this heating of the atmosphere is wildly uneven. The Arctic is warming two to three times faster than the global temperature rise of 0.8C and that affects the Rossby waves and is slowing the jet stream.

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The polar bears people! We need to save the frickin' polar bears!
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Rahm Jizzbucket Emanuel wrote:
The polar bears people! We need to save the frickin' polar bears!
The Planet. We need to save the frigging planet. We have way more polar bears than we do planets.

T\And, there is no Planet B.
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sounds hokey, doesn't it? Saving the planet.

Course it's an entirely selfish enterprise; I want to save the planet for me, should I live that long, and for my children and grandchildren. Of course I want them to have a better life than I have had. But I fear we are failing them.

The real "debate" now is about how bad it will be, and in spite of my most forced optimism, I am very afraid that we have fugged up.

If we really would be human, we would selfishly save this world, in good condition, for our children....
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"The decisions to allow Shell to operate in the Arctic Ocean clearly were premature," LeVine said in a statement. "The company is not prepared and has absolutely no one but itself to blame for its failures."
Oil companies are normally premature. If the environment is hurt, while the oil cans make money, it is considered good company policy..... specially if further policies to buy politicians & silence the talk about about biosphere changes are successful.
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Giant atmospheric waves called Rossby waves are meanders in the strong, high-altitude winds known as jet streams and have a major influence on weather. These wave movements are caused by the difference in temperatures between the cold air from the Arctic and hot air from the tropics.
When the waves shift north, they suck warm air from the tropics to Europe, Russia, or the U.S., and when they swing down, they do the same thing with cold air from the Arctic, said Petoukhov.
jerb1 mentioned Rossby waves here on topix, back in 2008.
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Sorry. Here's what jerb1 wrote:

Global warming theory predicts very cold winters as a consequence of RWE ( Rossby Wave elongation).
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For a city that the mayor says is to stupid to have big sodas and salt and smokes and wipe your own azzes, you sure don't know shithit. Your mayor says you are dumb as a turd on the bottom of the ocean, a dinkle-berry on a dogs butt. You must be, you keep voting for him. And you think you know something about global-warming? What a F-ing joke. You deserve the high azz taxes on smokes and everything else. YOU FUNNY, YOU STUPID.

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Fear mongering our children to the greenhouse gas ovens of the exaggerated climate crisis just to make sure they stay environmentally aware and hopefully turn the lights out more often is what
NEOCONS do not progressive planet lovers.

*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians

*Canada killed Y2Kyoto with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit).

Bush gets the last laugh however as he chuckles at our 27 years of needless CO2 panic and our CO2 death threats to our own children. Was climate change our Iraq War or just our Reefer Madness?

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Here's Norfolk after Sandy, which didn't hit Norfolk.... except.......
http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFr...
Not even my car that I just switched to 17 inch tires would have been saved. & my little 25 year old Ford Festiva would have been toast...... soggy toast.
A lot of it has to do with the direction of the wind. I've lived here 25 years and all that is bullshit. Most of Norfolk is built on filled in swamp. A lot of it is below sea level. If there is any reason why it floods more is because more people have built where flooding occurs like the dumbasses they are. The other reason is they've filled in all the low lying area so the water has nowhere to go.

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Space-based solar farms power up

Russia calls for united meteor defense

This is how Dennis Tito plans to send people to Mars

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