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Patriot

Longmont, CO

#33180 Dec 20, 2012
The Evidence - Electromagnetic Changes in our Solar System

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/the-evide...
PHD

Overton, TX

#33181 Dec 20, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Troll. Ignored.
Hay when you respond your not ignoring. Sorry you’re another one that attended the one child left behind program. So that would again make you the commander TROLL!!
Are you going for the ignorant award? Your near that position.
TrollBot

Houston, TX

#33182 Dec 20, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Hay when you respond your not ignoring. Sorry you’re another one that attended the one child left behind program. So that would again make you the commander TROLL!!
Are you going for the ignorant award? Your near that position.
Troll. Ignored.
PHD

Overton, TX

#33183 Dec 21, 2012
TrollBot wrote:
<quoted text>
Troll. Ignored.
Hay when you respond your not ignoring. Sorry you’re another one that attended the one child left behind program. So that would again make you the commander TROLL!!
Are you going for the ignorant award? Your near that position.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#33184 Dec 21, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Well you are correct (I bet you never would say I would make that statement) But it's all about the money and toss in the sports thing they do well. Now that you recognize the issue you should be able to see your higher education short falls. Maybe you should start at a higher level with your education. That Pre K level thing would be a waste of time.
Actually, I did think that you would find at least one thing we could agree on. Just as litesong and I agree that ethanol in gasoline is a bad thing.

Also I will add a second degree in february and am looking at adding a third. It would only take less than a dozen courses to add the third.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#33185 Dec 21, 2012
Pierre wrote:
<quoted text>
The world ends in 2 days!
I take tha bet.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#33186 Dec 21, 2012
phdudd wrote:
Your(sic) near that position.
The sun is presently 'near that position' farthest to the Earth's south, due to Earth's place in its orbit & precessional tilt.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#33187 Dec 21, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I did think that you would find at least one thing we could agree on. Just as litesong and I agree that ethanol in gasoline is a bad thing.
Also I will add a second degree in february and am looking at adding a third. It would only take less than a dozen courses to add the third.
What are some of the positives of ethanol for fuel? Saves on fossil fuels. It is an oxygenation. It increases the octane rating of gasoline without adding dangerous additives. When mixed with gasoline, it is a very good gum solvent and cleans the fuel injectors. Since it absorbs water, it dries gasoline and prevents gas line freezes. Since it is produced from growing crops, it adds much less CO2 into the atmosphere. It helps the farmers show a little more profit.

All that said, it would be better if it were produced from non food crops. Brazil is doing just fine with producing it from sugar cane.
PHD

Overton, TX

#33188 Dec 21, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I did think that you would find at least one thing we could agree on. Just as litesong and I agree that ethanol in gasoline is a bad thing.
Also I will add a second degree in february and am looking at adding a third. It would only take less than a dozen courses to add the third.
Now if you can show all that you actually have a higher education than we would agree on would make two. At this point you are borderline high school 10th grade.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#33189 Dec 21, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
What are some of the positives of ethanol for fuel? Saves on fossil fuels. It is an oxygenation.
With careful decades long records of mpg, two of our 3 cars, increased their mpg to 7 & even 8+%, when switched to 100% gasoline(ethanol-free). None of the 3 cars showed the low ethanol industry propagandistic 3% difference between 100% gasoline & 10% ethanol blends. Thousands of drivers report more mpg savings when running with 100% gasoline. As an oxygenator, ethanol decreases the pollutants of only one emission, but slightly increases the emissions of two or three other emissions. I don't care about farmers who sacrifice feeding humans to feed internal combustion engines for bigger bucks.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#33190 Dec 21, 2012
Ethanol as used in present gasoline engines designed to run with 100% gasoline, does not get its best efficiency. Ethanol needs high compression engines, close to that of diesel engines, to gain its efficiency. That is why the high performance, high compression Indy cars work well with ethanol. But the 10% ethanol in 'designed for gasoline' gasoline engines misses its efficiency region.
PHD

Overton, TX

#33191 Dec 21, 2012
litesong wrote:
Ethanol as used in present gasoline engines designed to run with 100% gasoline, does not get its best efficiency. Ethanol needs high compression engines, close to that of diesel engines, to gain its efficiency. That is why the high performance, high compression Indy cars work well with ethanol. But the 10% ethanol in 'designed for gasoline' gasoline engines misses its efficiency region.
Was that an answer from experience/knowledge or the usual cut and paste you do?
TrollBot

Houston, TX

#33192 Dec 21, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Hay when you respond your not ignoring. Sorry you’re another one that attended the one child left behind program. So that would again make you the commander TROLL!!
Are you going for the ignorant award? Your near that position.
Troll. Ignored.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#33193 Dec 21, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
What are some of the positives of ethanol for fuel? Saves on fossil fuels. It is an oxygenation. It increases the octane rating of gasoline without adding dangerous additives. When mixed with gasoline, it is a very good gum solvent and cleans the fuel injectors. Since it absorbs water, it dries gasoline and prevents gas line freezes. Since it is produced from growing crops, it adds much less CO2 into the atmosphere. It helps the farmers show a little more profit.
All that said, it would be better if it were produced from non food crops. Brazil is doing just fine with producing it from sugar cane.
Ethanol? Terrible crappy fuel.

Corrosive.
Hygroscopic - stores poorly, goes bad quickly as it takes up water.
Did I mention corrosive?
Destroys FRP fuel tanks, e.g. in watercraft.
Lousy energy content - only 2/3 the energy content of gasoline
Lousy mpg to match
Safety hazard - when spilled and ignited, invisible flame

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#33194 Dec 21, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Ethanol? Terrible crappy fuel.
Corrosive.
Hygroscopic - stores poorly, goes bad quickly as it takes up water.
Did I mention corrosive?
Destroys FRP fuel tanks, e.g. in watercraft.
Lousy energy content - only 2/3 the energy content of gasoline
Lousy mpg to match
Safety hazard - when spilled and ignited, invisible flame
The corrosion problems have been solved. The hygroscopic property is a plus as well as a minus. Even though the energy content per gal of ethanol is less than gasoline, it is a viable energy efficient alternative. Most studies show a significant positive energy content.
http://www.ethanol.org/pdf/contentmgmt/ILSR_e...

"steel USTs have been shown to be satisfactory for storing 100 percent ethanol and E-blend gasoline (Archer Daniels Midland Co., 1998). Steel tanks have been used to store alcohols for more than 50 years without documented compatibility problems."

The tailpipe emissions of ethanol are at least as clean as petroleum gasoline and produce much less environmental CO2.

The positives and negatives will decide the future of ethanol.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#33195 Dec 21, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Even though the energy content per gal of ethanol is less than gasoline, it is a viable energy efficient alternative.
From my post above:
Ethanol needs high compression engines, close to that of diesel engines, to gain its efficiency. That is why the high performance, high compression Indy cars work well with ethanol. But the 10% ethanol in 'designed for gasoline' gasoline engines misses its efficiency region.
PHD

Overton, TX

#33196 Dec 22, 2012
CommanderTrollBot wrote:
<quoted text>
Troll. Ignored.
Hay when you respond your not ignoring. Sorry you’re another one that attended the one child left behind program. So that would again make you the commander TROLL!!
Are you going for the ignorant award? Your near that position
PHD

Overton, TX

#33197 Dec 22, 2012
Trolll R wrote:
<quoted text>
Ethanol? Terrible crappy fuel.
#1Corrosive.
#2Hygroscopic - stores poorly, goes bad quickly as it takes up water.
#3Did I mention corrosive?
#4Destroys FRP fuel tanks, e.g. in watercraft.
#5Lousy energy content - only 2/3 the energy content of gasoline
#6Lousy mpg to match
#7Safety hazard - when spilled and ignited, invisible flame
As for one to six so is water so stop dirnking both. For #7 could be depending on what other chem it would be mixed with. Did you stay up all night with litesout to respond with your babble? Do tell all commander troll

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#33198 Dec 22, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
From my post above:
Ethanol needs high compression engines, close to that of diesel engines, to gain its efficiency. That is why the high performance, high compression Indy cars work well with ethanol. But the 10% ethanol in 'designed for gasoline' gasoline engines misses its efficiency region.
http://umpir.ump.edu.my/1411/1/2009_P_ICADME0...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#33199 Dec 22, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Beautiful paper. Beautiful science.

Thanks.

P.S. Mr. Ford would agree.

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