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Northie

Spokane, WA

#32988 Dec 3, 2012
Usuallyunique wrote:
I can see how the claim that the 97% of climate scientists that claim global warming is occurring could be colluding to steer the course of the global economy. It's a conspiracy theory for the ages, but I can't disprove it.
But what about scientists like the ultra-elite JASON advisory group who told President Johnson in the 60's this would happen? What about Svante Arrhenius who first developed the properties of CO2 and also predicted that raising CO2 levels would increase temperatures? What motivated these scientists?
What motivates all the sea ice loss? What motivates the leaders in climate denial? The good of the world?
Or $172 trillion in fossil fuel reserves that they wont be able to sell?
The scientists are gonna sell out the whole world for $8.8 billion/year but the oil companies won't for $172 TRILLION dollars!?!?
Good lord! look what the tobacco industry did for years for a fraction of the money and you think that the energy industry wouldn't go to any length to delay action? That they would pour money into confusion and doubt? Nope. They're just waiting for the "real" proof.
I would like to know, as I really, really want global warming to be made up. I like my car. I like burning fuels, I like the way I live. I don't wanna change anything. But I can't any reason to not believe that the warming isn't relate. I can't please if you know of anything, tell me.
Me, too. I like my car. Most Americans have big investments in suburban homes and school districts. Change poses challenges. Still, if this were 97% of the world's oncologists telling me that I and all my friends and family had life-threatening cancer, but that we'd all be cured if we simply quit coal power, drive less and fly less, you can bet we'd do it.

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Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32989 Dec 3, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Interesting. Could you give us a link for the 5Kw turbines for residential application you reference? Still one must invest in storage devices,(Or depend upon the grid when the wind does not blow. If one is able to "sell" to the grid perhaps, but must still depend upon that grid.). If storage is necessary, then one must invest in storage devices and inverters or DC appliances.
I still think that most would rather someone else provide them with their power as many do not have the ability to make that kind of investment as well as many do not have the expertise to maintain such a system.
Windterra Although this is not the one I looked at before it's a good one. The one I had saved was a spiral vertical wind turbine.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#32990 Dec 3, 2012
Northie wrote:
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Me, too. I like my car. Most Americans have big investments in suburban homes and school districts. Change poses challenges. Still, if this were 97% of the world's oncologists telling me that I and all my friends and family had life-threatening cancer, but that we'd all be cured if we simply quit coal power, drive less and fly less, you can bet we'd do it.
Sure - like like everyone quit smoking and drinking as soon as they were told by 97% of scientific authority it would kill them, eh? Such obedient and compliant critters ...

It seems the people who populate whatever planet you live on don't resemble any of the people on my planet ...
Wah

United States

#32991 Dec 3, 2012
wah
Northie

Spokane, WA

#32993 Dec 3, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
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Sure - like like everyone quit smoking and drinking as soon as they were told by 97% of scientific authority it would kill them, eh? Such obedient and compliant critters ...
It seems the people who populate whatever planet you live on don't resemble any of the people on my planet ...
How appropriate that you should mention the scientific consensus on smoking's links to cancer. Do you happen to recall the other side of that so-called "debate"? The side funded by the tobacco industry, delaying accountability by conjuring up their own science with the aid of PR firm Burson-Marsteller, which reassured smokers that no harm would befall them, and that all those other earnest scientists were very likely limp-wristed, grant-seeking socialists?

Providing excuses has become big business. For the past twenty-three years Burson-Marsteller has defined the climate debate along the same lines as it did for cigarette companies, even employing some of the same scientific whores despite the fact that they were chemists with no experience in Earth sciences.

Sure, some will hug those lies to their breasts like life itself. No matter. We'll regulate 'em whether they like it or not, because, unlike smoking, their carbon pollution kills the rest of us, too.
PHD

Overton, TX

#32994 Dec 4, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure that it wasn't a bird flying over? Hush and go wipe your pate.
No it was the hot air you spewed that caused an upper air disturbance that fooled all those experts on climate change weather predictions. Now than you should cook your pate before you ingest it youíre swallowing too much bacteria.
PHD

Overton, TX

#32995 Dec 4, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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And yet twice the person you are.
And yet you know nothing about what I am. How could you your comprehension skills are Less than a Box of Rocks. Most if not all that comes out of you is factually incorrect. You really really need to go back to school and start at PRE K level and pay attention this time.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#32996 Dec 4, 2012
Northie wrote:
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We'll regulate 'em whether they like it or not, because, unlike smoking, their carbon pollution kills the rest of us, too.
O rly? You don't subscribe to the science regarding the general public health hazard created by 2nd-hand smoke?

Or are you perhaps letting your holy anti-big-corporate-oil jihadi mentality cloud your perspective just a little bit?

Honestly all signs say no, you won't regulate 'em - because "we" and "them" are the same self-centered booboisie that just re-elected a proven incompetent POTUS in return for patently childish promises of bread and circuses and eat-the-rich propaganda.

Politically, you have no hope with this mob of getting any high-minded regulation that's going to make any effective progress towards actually saving the planet. But if, as I suspect it is, your agenda is really more about scratching a personal bolshie/neo-Luddite anti-big-corporate ideological itch by carving chunk$ out of big OOIILLLLL!! then, yeah - this is just the mindless churlish mob, easily fooled, to do that with. Just don't insult our intelligence by dressing up this revolutionary political jihad as a science project.

Good hunting.
cricket

Winter Park, FL

#32997 Dec 4, 2012
LOL

Smart Car ForTwo

"This diminutive model is small even by microcar standards and is woefully underpowered. It's saddled by an eccentric-shifting transmission, is largely impractical with only two seats and negligible trunk space and delivers a rough and noisy ride. On the plus side itís able to park in roughly half the space of a normal car. Itís among the worst performing models tested by Consumer Reports, and takes a leisurely 14.6 seconds to reach 60 mph. Fuel economy is decent (but not spectacular) at 34/38 mpg city/highway; unfortunately the ForTwo requires premium-grade fuel, which tends to siphon off any financial savings at the pump." -Forbes

Not so smart car. Unless you live alone in a micro hut with your cat, do nothing and have nothing and want nothing in life. In other words, a great little golf cart with a roof for an under achiever and not an Einstein. lol.

Have you religious mmcc/cc zealots traded in your auto for a Smart car to walk your pontificating talk "to save the planet" yet?

No?

lol.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32998 Dec 4, 2012
cricket wrote:
Have you ......zealots traded in your auto for a Smart car to walk your pontificating talk "to save the planet" yet?
Nah. My 24 year old Festiva gets better mpg, has more room & a bit more crush space. However, one video shows the Smart Car can take a licking without crushing. Don't know if you'll survive a crash because of the g-loading, but Smart Car is tough.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#32999 Dec 4, 2012
Nothing new or revolutionary about the Smart Car - old wine in new bottles.

It's called a tuk tuk.

http://www.bing.com/images/search...

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#33000 Dec 4, 2012
cricket wrote:
LOL
Smart Car ForTwo
"This diminutive model is small even by microcar standards and is woefully underpowered. It's saddled by an eccentric-shifting transmission, is largely impractical with only two seats and negligible trunk space and delivers a rough and noisy ride. On the plus side itís able to park in roughly half the space of a normal car. Itís among the worst performing models tested by Consumer Reports, and takes a leisurely 14.6 seconds to reach 60 mph. Fuel economy is decent (but not spectacular) at 34/38 mpg city/highway; unfortunately the ForTwo requires premium-grade fuel, which tends to siphon off any financial savings at the pump." -Forbes
Not so smart car. Unless you live alone in a micro hut with your cat, do nothing and have nothing and want nothing in life. In other words, a great little golf cart with a roof for an under achiever and not an Einstein. lol.
Have you religious mmcc/cc zealots traded in your auto for a Smart car to walk your pontificating talk "to save the planet" yet?
No?
lol.
Damn things disappear under the hood of my truck if I get too close. Portable coffin is more like it.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#33001 Dec 4, 2012
flack ack ack wrote:
Damn things disappear under the hood of my truck if I get too close.
I've avoided 3 accidents in my small car that would have collected your truck. When jacked-up pickups get too close to me, I just drive underneath them & come out on the other side.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#33002 Dec 4, 2012
litesong wrote:
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I've avoided 3 accidents in my small car that would have collected your truck. When jacked-up pickups get too close to me, I just drive underneath them & come out on the other side.
Don't have a 'jacked-up' pickup truck. Just a plain old C1500. Isn't anything dumber than a liberal with a superiority complex driving a tiny car. Going to lose in a wreck every time.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#33003 Dec 4, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
I've avoided 3 accidents in my small car that would have collected your truck. When jacked-up pickups get too close to me, I just drive underneath them & come out on the other side.
Probably caused all three and left the damage behind.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#33004 Dec 4, 2012
[{taeil Magnetics] Spiral Small Scaled Vertical Wind Turbines
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#33005 Dec 4, 2012
flack ack ack wrote:
Probably caused all three and left the damage behind.
No. Since I avoided them, the other drivers weren't in accidents either.

Like you, two of the 'possible' accidents were truckdrivers thinking they could maneuver like sports cars. Yeah.... ego & no talent kill a lot of people. As the highway laws are now, you get a 'murder on the highway & get out of jail free' card.
PHD

Overton, TX

#33007 Dec 4, 2012
Wind turbines rule with more mpg than any Festiva gets.
cricket

Winter Park, FL

#33008 Dec 5, 2012
'This is in the nature of forecasting. It is difficult"

Heavy snow closes airports, wreaks havoc on railways and turns roads into ice rinks... but Met Office failed to see it coming

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22432...

nice pics

"Snow is a thing of the past" [because of mmcc]

rofl.
PHD

Overton, TX

#33009 Dec 5, 2012
Just in the expert forecasters climate changers couldn't predict climate weather change in a brown paper bag.

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