Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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GLOBAL WARMING
A BUNCH OF LIBERAL BULLSHIT
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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>‘Bottom line: the “no upward trend” has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.
The botom line is have you seen your care giver today?
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A good article on Antarctic sea ice, referenced by SpaceBlue.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-ga...

"If the Southern Ocean is warming, why is Antarctic sea ice increasing? There are several contributing factors. One is the drop in ozone levels over Antarctica. The hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole has caused cooling in the stratosphere (Gillet 2003). This strengthens the cyclonic winds that circle the Antarctic continent (Thompson 2002). The wind pushes sea ice around, creating areas of open water known as polynyas. More polynyas lead to increased sea ice production (Turner 2009). "

"Another contributor is changes in ocean circulation. The Southern Ocean consists of a layer of cold water near the surface and a layer of warmer water below. Water from the warmer layer rises up to the surface, melting sea ice. However, as air temperatures warm, the amount of rain and snowfall also increases. This freshens the surface waters, leading to a surface layer less dense than the saltier, warmer water below. The layers become more stratified and mix less. Less heat is transported upwards from the deeper, warmer layer. Hence less sea ice is melted (Zhang 2007). "

Oddly enough, the increase in sea ice is proof of the warming of the Antactic circumpolar seas. The longer winter ice season, the thinner ice and the wider extent are all factors influenced by the warming of the air and ocean. But it will not last. The warming will overcome these minor mechanisms in a decade or so. As Zhang 2007 indicated years ago.
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Simple its the dirtlings hot air factor .
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of 2 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 5,113,594 km2 (October 13, 2012), the day's rate reducing to Ohio sized growth. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for ~3 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel fluctuating down to minus 17 degC(lower than this date, 2007 & other recent years), & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -14 to -20 degC.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest three years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 5,265,781 km2 (October 14, 2012), this day's brisk sea ice rate increasing to that of the area of Georgia. Temperatures above the 80th parallel average minus 17 degC, the past week's temperatures below the same week of 2007 & other recent years. Many temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are as low as -14 to -20degC.
Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard. Sea ice is strongly developing around the islands(connecting one set of Russian islands to the mainland).

A detail noted 5 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?
Four days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Three days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward sea ice at the west end of the Northwest Passage blocks the Northwest Passage. Internal Passage icing increases.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
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Another one bites the dust.
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Take the money & run.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/batter...

"green economy" = Gifting your tax greenbacks to favorite 'politically connected' campaign donors, friends, loved ones and associates.
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cricket wrote:
Another one bites the dust.
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Take the money & run.
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/batter...
What does that make now? Three out of thirty six. The tax returns from the successes will more than pay for the failed ventures (risk vs reward, not prophecies of heaven)

The venture capitalists are green with envy at this record of success. Even those that went down did so for reasons not related to their promise (i.e China dumping solar panels below costs, the failure of the Fisker Karma,etc.)
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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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What does that make now? Three out of thirty six. The tax returns from the successes will more than pay for the failed ventures
Please post the authoritative source(s) backing up this ludicrous claim.
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Teddy R wrote:
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Please post the authoritative source(s) backing up this ludicrous claim.
Green energy investments don't often pay off overnight, but they certainly do over time.

This message comes to you courtesy of America's largest investment in renewable power:

http://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/BPA-Tu...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

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This guy takes the biscuit for being crazy, I asked Norfie what worrying can achieve, his response was:
Northie wrote:
Individually, not much. Collectively, everything.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

I'm still laughing..........
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Earthling-1 wrote:
This guy takes the biscuit for being crazy, I asked Norfie what worrying can achieve, his response was:<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
I'm still laughing..........
Calm down you will get accustomed to your new meds. Look at the bright side you could be crying instead of laughing. Your not alone with that laughing thing everyone laughs at you. Now get a grip and see tan care giver of yours.
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Northie wrote:
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Green energy investments don't often pay off overnight, but they certainly do over time.
This message comes to you courtesy of America's largest investment in renewable power:
http://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/BPA-Tu...
.. as well as courtesy of thousands of hectares of decimated spawning grounds, priceless habitats and ecosystems, irreplaceable wild river canyons and the spiritual and cultural lives of native Americans lost forever.

You have a funny notion of "green" energy.

All of which ancient history is, of course, completely irrelevant to our current experience with Washington incompetents wasting billions of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on "green energy" patronage handouts to their political cronies.
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steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
I asked Northie what worrying can achieve,
I'm still laughing..........
"steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" never worries about his slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms. & then "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" laughs.
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Did I say I love to type, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

Yes, I love to type, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

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Teddy R wrote:
.. as well as courtesy of thousands of hectares of decimated spawning grounds, priceless habitats and ecosystems, irreplaceable wild river canyons and the spiritual and cultural lives of native Americans lost forever.
You have a funny notion of "green" energy.
All of which ancient history is, of course, completely irrelevant to our current experience with Washington incompetents wasting billions of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on "green energy" patronage handouts to their political cronies.
Even kawlitesout, the wooden injun, disagrees with you.
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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Even kawlitesout, the wooden injun, disagrees with you.
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There you have it folks the dirtling again spewing useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air.Have you seen your care giver today?

“dening those who deny nature. ”

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Northie wrote:
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Green energy investments don't often pay off overnight, but they certainly do over time.
This message comes to you courtesy of America's largest investment in renewable power:
http://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/BPA-Tu...
Hydro yes, but your post would make it sound like wind and solar are doing just as well and hydro and nuclear.
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tina anne wrote:
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Hydro yes, but your post would make it sound like wind and solar are doing just as well and hydro and nuclear.
Actually they "Wind Mills" are doing much better. We wouldn't expect you the Less than a Box of rocks to get it.
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is above the 2007 sea ice extent & is above the average minimum for the 2000's, at 5,798,750 km2 (October 16, 2012), this day's sea ice leap, the size of S. Dakota! The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 4 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel lower than the last two weeks of dates for 2007 & other recent years, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -17 degC.
Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the 2007 sea ice extent for yesterday's date & is above the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's, at 6,072,656 km2 (October 18, 2012), the last two days' slowing rate, increasing at an Arkansas area per day. However, present Arctic sea ice area is similar to 2007 Arctic sea ice area. Temperatures above the 80th parallel average minus 17 degC, the past week's plus of temperatures below the same week of 2007 & other recent years. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, a broad swath of Siberia into the minus double digits, as low as -20 degC.
Arctic Ice Pack is much closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, beginning to encircle the islands. Sea ice connected to the islands is strongly developing around the islands(connecting one set of Russian islands to the mainland). Arctic Ice Pack is extending far south into the vast clear waters north of Alaska & Siberia. While waiting for Arctic Ice Pack to connect with islands, huge sea ice floes strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps flooding into Arctic waters & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?) AND connected the Ice Pack to far eastern Siberia, truly a remarkable development!

A detail noted 9 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?
Eight days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Seven days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water! Further data, show that the vortex is true!

The west end of the Northwest Passage is ice blocked & filled, altho the east end is fairly ice free.
Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, can be transporting only tattered traces of extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths, since the sun will be fully set 24 hours a day, tomorrow north of the 80th parallel. Southern Arctic waters get only a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only double digit degrees off the horizon, at most!

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Fun Facts wrote:
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That's exactly the problem with government support of climate scientists. The politics dictates what kind of results the scientists produce.
A lie of course.

There are Republican scientists who say the threat from AGW is real and we need to take action.

Are they going against their politics for the money?

The conspiracy theorists say so.

What is true is that the handful of AGW sceptics tend to be free market fundamentalists, just like the people telling lies about the science.

Politics doesn't dictate the scientific results, but it does dictate the attitude a group of extremists will take to the results: denial.

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