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NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
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The Antarctic is showing the same decrease in ice VOLUME as the Arctic, but it is WINTER in the Antarctic. A time of no sun and therefore no impact from ice cover (which is only up a minuscule amount, while the thickness has more than halved.
Something that was predicted to happen for a decade or so by the IPCC and AGW theory. The summer extent (which IS relevant) is approximately the same.
Try to get your facts straight for once on a subject as basic as seasons.
It is not currently "WINTER" in the Antarctic, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
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Earthling-1 wrote:
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
<quoted text>Try to get your facts straight for once on a subject as basic as seasons.
It is not currently "WINTER" in the Antarctic, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
Would that be by date or condition? I see you made another ASSumption of your self.Have you seen your care giver today?

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Climate blamers are pathetic losers who also rubber neck car accidents, scare kids, torture ants and probably got beat up by their older sisters a lot.
But as you doomers curse the world in your orgy of self-inflicted fear remember that history is watching your cowardly madness that will be pathetic humor for the history books.
Climate blamers; the new end of the world freaks.
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Canon wrote:
I'm still waiting on the ice age they told me about in the 70's.
To whoever tagged this with "disagree"...that is just silly, you cannot disagree with my experience...for it REALLY happened, it's not a matter of opinion.
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Canon wrote:
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I got it from the public school system.
For those that tagged this with "disagree"...this too is NOT a matter of opinion for it really happened. Get it?....it NOT an opinion it is something that happened. Get it, got it...GOOD.
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Canon wrote:
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I got it from the public school system.
Texas schools have a long history of denying the worldwide scientific agreement over greenhouse warming, and it continues today:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/16/natio...
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Canon wrote:
I'm still waiting on the ice age they told me about in the 70's.

To whoever tagged this with "disagree"...that is just silly, you cannot disagree with my experience...for it REALLY happened, it's not a matter of opinion.

Canon wrote:
I got it from the public school system.

For those that tagged this with "disagree"...this too is NOT a matter of opinion for it really happened. Get it?....it NOT an opinion it is something that happened. Get it, got it...GOOD.
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Many toxic topix AGW deniers who post here have no hi skule deegreees at all. Many more have hi skule deegreees but without upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc. At some point, one becomes responsible for erroneous teaching on the part of the educational system, if one doesn't make efforts to improve one's poor education.

Only a few toxic, topix AGW deniers have college degrees, & those without science & mathematics. Very very few toxic topix AGW deniers have University degrees in mathematics & advanced science.

Actually, you do sound like a good sort of person. You seem to have accepted the correction to 'the 70's ice age' lie that has been given out here hundreds of times by toxic topix AGW deniers. I hope you will seek truth in further matters brought up here on these topix AGW threads.

Be assured tho. Many here have truth as learned from political & economic persuasions, not from science. toxic topix AGW deniers give no quarter, to the extent of racism & even to alleged or proud threats.

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The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) shows Arctic sea ice, after this year's minimum extent(& greatest square kilometer area of clear waters), NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
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Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of any other year recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,477,031 km2 (October 7, 2012). Only the small size area represented by Kentucky has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 2+ weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC for the last three days, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -12degC.

Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice minimum extent.
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Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). However, present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date that the 3rd place year established its mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15 degC), a bit less than normal, temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean most often freezing with temperatures as low as -17degC, but southern Arctic sea ice has increased by smaller than the size of Indiana.
Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above. Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands are nearly ice free. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS(IF NOT MORE), of waters north of Alaska & Siberia are clear.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND from indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.

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litesong wrote:
......... on toxic topix AGW deniers. The rats were too valuable & intelligent! At least, the toxic topix AGW deniers got more out of the drugs, even when they failed, than they got out of their educations that they dodged, specially the science & mathematics.
litesong is a poet
But he doesn't know it.
But his feet show it,
They're Longfellows.
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Climate blame believers are the Reefer Madness fools of our time.
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i notice those that cry global warming do not practice what they preach and always see stealing our money as the answer.
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no one no where wrote:
i notice those that cry global warming do not practice what they preach and always see stealing our money as the answer.
It's ALL a scam! Why should anyone believe any of it, it has already been exposed as a hoax.
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Northie wrote:
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Texas schools have a long history of denying the worldwide scientific agreement over greenhouse warming, and it continues today:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/16/natio...
There is NO "worldwide scientific agreement"....there is a worldwide agenda driven hoax.
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There is NO "worldwide scientific agreement"....there is a worldwide agenda driven hoax.
There is NO Texarkana, TX.
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litesong wrote:
FIZZLED Blast from the Past:
'krusty' & other toxic topix AGW deniers squawked good & loud when Arctic sea ice extent had (as krusty said)...... reached a 7-year high. Of course, he never mentioned that the thickness of Arctic sea ice was dismally thin, even on March 2, 2012.
While 'krusty' & other toxic topix AGW deniers squawked 'how much sea ice there was', the reality was that early March 2012 Arctic sea ice VOLUME was just UNDER 20,000 cubic kilometers, whereas the AVERAGE 1980-1989 DECADE of Arctic sea ice VOLUME for early March 2012 was ~25,000 cubic kilometers.
Tho 20,000 cubic kilometers of sea ice sounds like a lot, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME reached a low ~3400-3500 cubic kilometers, this last mid-September.
After some reflection upon this post, thinking that the ice loss between the 'early March AVERAGE 1980-1989 DECADE' & the 'early March 2012' Arctic sea ice VOLUMES might be too small a difference, I reexamined the chart that I used, & a re-measurement shows that a correction of data is warranted.

'whereas the AVERAGE 1980-1989 DECADE of Arctic sea ice VOLUME for early March was ~25,000 cubic kilometers', should be:

'whereas the AVERAGE 1980-1989 DECADE of Arctic sea ice VOLUME for early March was ~28,000 cubic kilometers'.

Therefore, during a time of the year, where sea ices are greatest, krusty crowed that, early March 2012 Arctic sea ices were at a 7 year high, while indeed early March 2012 Arctic sea ices were only 72%, & 8000 cubic kilometers less of the average early March 1980-1989 Arctic sea ice VOLUME.

Even of the 7 year period(really 8 year period), early March 2012 Arctic sea ices were only 80% & 5000 cubic kilometers less of the early March 2000-2009 period, Arctic sea ice VOLUME.
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Hmmmm, the self annointed, uneducated, keyboard, self appointed religious zealot cc/mmcc believers are still here, still crapping their diapers spewing their unscientific bullcrap doctrines giving each other judgeits. lol.

That mmcc/cc dinosaur died a long time ago. It's equivalent to teaching & preaching that the Greek/Roman/Viking/Aztec/pagan gods & goddesses are real and still active and need offerings and worship.

And witches ride on broomsticks. And volcano's need human sacrifices.
lol.

http://www.cfact.org/a/2173/America-needs-a-b...
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(a non-performance) showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of 2 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). A size area represented by only Indiana became sea ice the past day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for well over 2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 15 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -17degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,662,344 km2 (October 9, 2012). However, present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date that the 3rd place year established its mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15.5 degC), a bit less than normal. Temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are most often freezing, some areas below minus double digits, & one temperature as low as -23degC. But southern Arctic sea ice area has increased by smaller than the size of Maine today, showing the undue excess warmth of the Arctic Ocean.

Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above.

A detail noted is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincident with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, IF NOT MORE, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward proceeding sea icing at the west end of the Northwest Passage should continue, & will close off the Northwest Passage. Internal icing is also occurring inside the Northwest Passage. Nearby double digit minus temperatures are opposing the months of solar warmth built up in the Passage, to ice the Passage.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
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Northie..... Here's a classic case from another thread of your recent post & quote:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
- Upton Sinclair
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In 25 days , Romney will be president . Shortly after that , all you greenies will get exactly Zero dollars more of the taxpayers money , and all of you will starve . Your dreams of a fraudulent criminal empire enforced by corrupt politicians will come to an end . You have wasted your life . When the last shovel full of dirt falls upon your grave , your name will NEVER , EVER , be mentioned again . Even your family will be happy . Even if they won't say it , they will think , I'm glad he's gone . HeHe !! I'm so happy !!!

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