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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32675 Oct 15, 2012

litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of 2 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 5,113,594 km2 (October 13, 2012), the day's rate reducing to Ohio sized growth. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for ~3 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel fluctuating down to minus 17 degC(lower than this date, 2007 & other recent years), & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -14 to -20 degC.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest three years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 5,265,781 km2 (October 14, 2012), this day's brisk sea ice rate increasing to that of the area of Georgia. Temperatures above the 80th parallel average minus 17 degC, the past week's temperatures below the same week of 2007 & other recent years. Many temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are as low as -14 to -20degC.
Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard. Sea ice is strongly developing around the islands(connecting one set of Russian islands to the mainland).

A detail noted 5 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?
Four days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Three days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward sea ice at the west end of the Northwest Passage blocks the Northwest Passage. Internal Passage icing increases.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
cricket

Winter Park, FL

#32677 Oct 16, 2012
Another one bites the dust.
or
Take the money & run.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/batter...

"green economy" = Gifting your tax greenbacks to favorite 'politically connected' campaign donors, friends, loved ones and associates.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#32678 Oct 16, 2012
cricket wrote:
Another one bites the dust.
or
Take the money & run.
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/batter...
What does that make now? Three out of thirty six. The tax returns from the successes will more than pay for the failed ventures (risk vs reward, not prophecies of heaven)

The venture capitalists are green with envy at this record of success. Even those that went down did so for reasons not related to their promise (i.e China dumping solar panels below costs, the failure of the Fisker Karma,etc.)
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#32679 Oct 16, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
What does that make now? Three out of thirty six. The tax returns from the successes will more than pay for the failed ventures
Please post the authoritative source(s) backing up this ludicrous claim.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#32680 Oct 16, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Please post the authoritative source(s) backing up this ludicrous claim.
Green energy investments don't often pay off overnight, but they certainly do over time.

This message comes to you courtesy of America's largest investment in renewable power:

http://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/BPA-Tu...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32681 Oct 17, 2012
This guy takes the biscuit for being crazy, I asked Norfie what worrying can achieve, his response was:
Northie wrote:
Individually, not much. Collectively, everything.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

I'm still laughing..........
PHD

Houston, TX

#32682 Oct 17, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
This guy takes the biscuit for being crazy, I asked Norfie what worrying can achieve, his response was:<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
I'm still laughing..........
Calm down you will get accustomed to your new meds. Look at the bright side you could be crying instead of laughing. Your not alone with that laughing thing everyone laughs at you. Now get a grip and see tan care giver of yours.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#32684 Oct 17, 2012
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
Green energy investments don't often pay off overnight, but they certainly do over time.
This message comes to you courtesy of America's largest investment in renewable power:
http://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/BPA-Tu...
.. as well as courtesy of thousands of hectares of decimated spawning grounds, priceless habitats and ecosystems, irreplaceable wild river canyons and the spiritual and cultural lives of native Americans lost forever.

You have a funny notion of "green" energy.

All of which ancient history is, of course, completely irrelevant to our current experience with Washington incompetents wasting billions of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on "green energy" patronage handouts to their political cronies.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32685 Oct 17, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
I asked Northie what worrying can achieve,
I'm still laughing..........
"steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" never worries about his slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms. & then "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" laughs.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32686 Oct 17, 2012
Did I say I love to type, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

Yes, I love to type, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32689 Oct 18, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
.. as well as courtesy of thousands of hectares of decimated spawning grounds, priceless habitats and ecosystems, irreplaceable wild river canyons and the spiritual and cultural lives of native Americans lost forever.
You have a funny notion of "green" energy.
All of which ancient history is, of course, completely irrelevant to our current experience with Washington incompetents wasting billions of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on "green energy" patronage handouts to their political cronies.
Even kawlitesout, the wooden injun, disagrees with you.
Ö¿Ö
PHD

Houston, TX

#32690 Oct 18, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Even kawlitesout, the wooden injun, disagrees with you.
Ö¿Ö
There you have it folks the dirtling again spewing useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air.Have you seen your care giver today?

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#32692 Oct 19, 2012
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
Green energy investments don't often pay off overnight, but they certainly do over time.
This message comes to you courtesy of America's largest investment in renewable power:
http://www.bpa.gov/news/newsroom/Pages/BPA-Tu...
Hydro yes, but your post would make it sound like wind and solar are doing just as well and hydro and nuclear.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32693 Oct 19, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Hydro yes, but your post would make it sound like wind and solar are doing just as well and hydro and nuclear.
Actually they "Wind Mills" are doing much better. We wouldn't expect you the Less than a Box of rocks to get it.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32694 Oct 19, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is above the 2007 sea ice extent & is above the average minimum for the 2000's, at 5,798,750 km2 (October 16, 2012), this day's sea ice leap, the size of S. Dakota! The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 4 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel lower than the last two weeks of dates for 2007 & other recent years, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -17 degC.
Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
//////////
litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the 2007 sea ice extent for yesterday's date & is above the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's, at 6,072,656 km2 (October 18, 2012), the last two days' slowing rate, increasing at an Arkansas area per day. However, present Arctic sea ice area is similar to 2007 Arctic sea ice area. Temperatures above the 80th parallel average minus 17 degC, the past week's plus of temperatures below the same week of 2007 & other recent years. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, a broad swath of Siberia into the minus double digits, as low as -20 degC.
Arctic Ice Pack is much closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, beginning to encircle the islands. Sea ice connected to the islands is strongly developing around the islands(connecting one set of Russian islands to the mainland). Arctic Ice Pack is extending far south into the vast clear waters north of Alaska & Siberia. While waiting for Arctic Ice Pack to connect with islands, huge sea ice floes strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps flooding into Arctic waters & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?) AND connected the Ice Pack to far eastern Siberia, truly a remarkable development!

A detail noted 9 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?
Eight days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Seven days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water! Further data, show that the vortex is true!

The west end of the Northwest Passage is ice blocked & filled, altho the east end is fairly ice free.
Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, can be transporting only tattered traces of extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths, since the sun will be fully set 24 hours a day, tomorrow north of the 80th parallel. Southern Arctic waters get only a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only double digit degrees off the horizon, at most!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#32695 Oct 19, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
That's exactly the problem with government support of climate scientists. The politics dictates what kind of results the scientists produce.
A lie of course.

There are Republican scientists who say the threat from AGW is real and we need to take action.

Are they going against their politics for the money?

The conspiracy theorists say so.

What is true is that the handful of AGW sceptics tend to be free market fundamentalists, just like the people telling lies about the science.

Politics doesn't dictate the scientific results, but it does dictate the attitude a group of extremists will take to the results: denial.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32696 Oct 20, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
There are Republican scientists who say the threat from AGW is real and we need to take action.
I refer my learned friend to the following thread:
How Do You Build A Scientific Republican?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
PHD

Houston, TX

#32697 Oct 20, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I refer my learned friend to the following thread:
How Do You Build A Scientific Republican?
Nice try but the only friend you have is your care giver. Have you seen your care giver today?

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#32698 Oct 20, 2012
Why won’t your Gods of science who say we “could” be at the point of no return, say it “WILL” happen, not just “might” happen. The exaggeration is obvious to progressives.
Not one single IPCC warning is without; “maybe” and “could be” and “likely”………
Climate blame ………………the new REEFER MADNESS.
Let's make a deal, when science says it "WILL" happen, I'll join the dozens of climate blame protesters worldwide to save the planet from boiling from SUV gas.
Stupid Mother Nature eh?
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#32699 Oct 20, 2012
mememine69 wrote:
Why won’t your Gods of science who say we “could” be at the point of no return, say it “WILL” happen, not just “might” happen. The exaggeration is obvious to progressives.
Not one single IPCC warning is without; “maybe” and “could be” and “likely”………
Climate blame ………………the new REEFER MADNESS.
Let's make a deal, when science says it "WILL" happen, I'll join the dozens of climate blame protesters worldwide to save the planet from boiling from SUV gas.
Stupid Mother Nature eh?
You're lost in modern living with science.

Why do you drive a car, if you own a car and drive it, that is? Don't you know you might have an accident?

But in the case of man-made climate change, it's happening. There's no if about it.

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