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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Perhaps this will expand and help to understand that that there are methods other than laboratory experiments.
http://www.experiment-resources.com/research-...
Nice. Hope we will cover more.

Btw, at the bottom, there's "Science Experiment" to click on. Would you believe Mitt's site shows up in the list?
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<quoted text>Nice.
Thanks.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Perhaps this will expand and help to understand that that there are methods other than laboratory experiments.
http://www.experiment-resources.com/research-...
Yes, correct.
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<quoted text>You notice, there is no policy to mitigate black holes so experiments aren't essential in otiose science. If you had a theory on how to mitigate black holes, an experiment would be the only way to test it.
So the scientific method can depend upon observations of natural phenomena unless one tries to "mitigate" them, in which case one must ignore observed evidence?

It's all so very clear now.

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Climate blamers are environMENTAL climate cowards and are hung like toddlers.
You end of the world freaks,(EOTWF’s) didn't love the planet; you doomers just hated humanity and wanted to drag us all down with you in your failed and miserable and pathetic lives.
History will call your climate change the new; Reefer Madness. Nice job girls.
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Climate blamers are environMENTAL climate cowards and are hung like toddlers.
You end of the world freaks,(EOTWF’s) didn't love the planet; you doomers just hated humanity and wanted to drag us all down with you in your failed and miserable and pathetic lives.
History will call your climate change the new; Reefer Madness. Nice job girls.
Can you show us your work to prove the above statement. Are you following in the steps of the dirtling with useless babble tainted with hate. Careful you just a couple of steps away from being a dirtling clone.Hay did you get your's yet.

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<quoted text>Can you show us your work to prove the above statement. Are you following in the steps of the dirtling with useless babble tainted with hate. Careful you just a couple of steps away from being a dirtling clone.Hay did you get your's yet.
We feel your love for the planet.
It's doomers like you that keep us from evolving as civilized Humans as you grunt; "the end is near." with your sickening fear mongering of climate blame.
I CAN prove the science was inflated and I've repeated the facts behind my accusations of scientific exaggerations enough for you."maybe" is what the scientists say not "will" happen. Deny that!
If “could be” a crisis is good enough to condemn our children to your CO2 hell, you bible thumpers have proven my point already.
What else do you fear mongers do, rubber neck car accidents and pull fire alarms besides scaring little children like the climate cowards that you all are?
Are you willing to be subjected to uttering CO2 death threats to our kids if the science can’t be proven in court or in “history”?

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So is that what they did with witches and heretics during the Reformation; the authorities "defrosted" them?
No, they burned witches and heretics because of irrational fear. N. makes a good point, they would like to call it burning the climate, but there is neither smoke or fire.

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So the scientific method can depend upon observations of natural phenomena unless one tries to "mitigate" them, in which case one must ignore observed evidence? It's all so very clear now.
I don't believe N. has a clear view of the policy to control CO2 emissions to mitigate climate change. Nor does N. understand the scientific method, it does not depend on observation alone.

Four essential elements of a scientific method are iterations, recursions, interleavings, or orderings of the following:

Characterizations (observations, definitions, and measurements of the subject of inquiry)
Hypotheses (theoretical, hypothetical explanations of observations and measurements of the subject)
Predictions (reasoning including logical deduction[43] from the hypothesis or theory)
Experiments (tests of all of the above)

A linearized, pragmatic scheme of the four points above is sometimes offered as a guideline for proceeding:

Define a question
Gather information and resources (observe)
Form an explanatory hypothesis
Test the hypothesis by performing an experiment and collecting data in a reproducible manner
Analyze the data
Interpret the data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
Publish results
Retest (frequently done by other scientists)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_metho...
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mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>We feel your love for the planet.
It's doomers like you that keep us from evolving as civilized Humans as you grunt; "the end is near." with your sickening fear mongering of climate blame.
I CAN prove the science was inflated and I've repeated the facts behind my accusations of scientific exaggerations enough for you."maybe" is what the scientists say not "will" happen. Deny that!
If “could be” a crisis is good enough to condemn our children to your CO2 hell, you bible thumpers have proven my point already.
What else do you fear mongers do, rubber neck car accidents and pull fire alarms besides scaring little children like the climate cowards that you all are?
Are you willing to be subjected to uttering CO2 death threats to our kids if the science can’t be proven in court or in “history”?
WELL THAN PROVE IT.Show us your work. The cut and paste thing is an exclusive to the dirtling along with the useless babble thing.You never answered the question.
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Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up:

The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last four days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Four days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! Three days ago, THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS DELAWARE!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:
Details below:
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Arctic sea ice extent is BELOW any recorded level in any previous year, at 4,173,594 km2 (October 3, 2012), fractionally gaining ~7,000 km2(a bit more than tiny Delaware area) of sea ice the previous day, the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, & temps above the 80th parallel, at -13 degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
It is incredible how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Delaware area, this past day).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is about the same or below any minimum Arctic sea ice of any recorded year, & has been for 5-6 weeks, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,256,875 km2 (October 5, 2012). Over the last two days, only the area represented by S. Carolina has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -10degC.

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters even north of Russian Islands, Franz Joseph Land, & Svalbard are ice free. Year long sea ices have been in place north of Canada & Greenland. The farthest southerly reaching sea ices are along the east coast of Greenland. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months are resisting their conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered, have transported extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
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So the brian_g and the commander of useless babble AKA dirtling can't prove or disprove anything with the exception of useless babble cut and paste.And soooo onnnnn.

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Get up to date:
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets run by corporations.
*Obama has not mentioned the crisis in the last two State of the Unions addresses.
*Julian Assange is of course a climate change denier.
*Canada killed Y2Kyoto with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit).
Meanwhile, the entire world of SCIENCE, lazy copy and paste journalism and Liberal progressivism had allowed bank-funded and corporate-run “CARBON TRADING STOCK MARKETS”(ruled by trustworthy politicians) to trump the UN's and entire world's efforts into 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 26 years of insane attempts at climate CONTROL.
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mememine69 wrote:
Get up to date:
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets run by corporations.
*Obama has not mentioned the crisis in the last two State of the Unions addresses.
*Julian Assange is of course a climate change denier.
*Canada killed Y2Kyoto with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit).
Meanwhile, the entire world of SCIENCE, lazy copy and paste journalism and Liberal progressivism had allowed bank-funded and corporate-run “CARBON TRADING STOCK MARKETS”(ruled by trustworthy politicians) to trump the UN's and entire world's efforts into 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 26 years of insane attempts at climate CONTROL.
You are irrelevant, brainless.
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The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last four days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Five days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! Four days ago, THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS DELAWARE!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:
Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is about the same or below any minimum Arctic sea ice of any recorded year, & has been for 5-6 weeks, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,256,875 km2 (October 5, 2012). Over the last two days, only the area represented by S. Carolina has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -10degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
It is incredible how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Delaware area, 4 days ago).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is a bit above the lowest of any previous year's minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,377,344 km2 (October 6, 2012). Finally, with almost one week into October, with temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, normal for the last two days & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -10degC, southern Arctic sea ice has increased by the size of New Mexico.
Again, much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast. Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters even north of Russian Islands, Franz Joseph Land, & Svalbard are ice free. Year long sea ices have been in place north of Canada & Greenland. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months are resisting their conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND from indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered, have transported extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.

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litesong wrote:
The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last four days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Five days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! Four days ago, THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS DELAWARE!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:
Details below:
//////////
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is about the same or below any minimum Arctic sea ice of any recorded year, & has been for 5-6 weeks, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,256,875 km2 (October 5, 2012). Over the last two days, only the area represented by S. Carolina has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -10degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
It is incredible how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Delaware area, 4 days ago).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
//////////
litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is a bit above the lowest of any previous year's minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,377,344 km2 (October 6, 2012). Finally, with almost one week into October, with temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, normal for the last two days & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -10degC, southern Arctic sea ice has increased by the size of New Mexico.
Again, much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast. Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters even north of Russian Islands, Franz Joseph Land, & Svalbard are ice free. Year long sea ices have been in place north of Canada & Greenland. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months are resisting their conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND from indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered, have transported extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist
And zero proof that man has caused anything
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here is none wrote:
And zero proof that man has caused anything
AGW science already did that. But 'here is none' is proof that lots of toxic topix AGW deniers have sub-sub-kindergarten comprehensions of the education they successfully dodged.

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<quoted text>AGW science already did that. But 'here is none' is proof that lots of toxic topix AGW deniers have sub-sub-kindergarten comprehensions of the education they successfully dodged.
Yea
That is why more countries are turning away from the idea.......
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The planet is completely fu<ked if we don't re-elect fu<kera$sdou<heface Obama!!! The reason why Obama is the best candidate is because liberals are so stupid that they believe that only a fu<king piece of s|-|it like Obama could ever do justice to being a true fu<king piece of s|-|it. Romney might actually help the country so he could never do anything worth while! But Obama has an already proven track record of pure s|-|it so he will be the best person to fu<k over the entire world by fu<king over one of the largest economic powers in the world and collapsing the entire world economy and that's the only way to fix all the fu<ked up problems in the world, you have to fu<k it up even more or you'll fix something and that won't help sh-it. Plus Obama fu<ks donkeys everyday of his life this makes him much better for the job. Obama is the best man for president hands down because he is a complete as$Fu<ker!
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It looks like the brian_g and the dirtling need to visit their care givers more often. They may need to ask to have their meds increased.

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