Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63945 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Northie

Puyallup, WA

#32064 Aug 16, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Study your history. Farmers could not sell their hogs because no one had enough money to buy them. The farmers could not afford to feed them and were to the point that they could not even pay their property taxes. So the government bought the hogs. There was more than plenty of food. The problem was that capitalism faltered and no one had any money to buy things. By the government paying the farmers they were able to purchase supplies and get the money flowing again.
FDR kept folks from starving. What was the unemployment rate at the time? How many farmers lost their farms due to the dust bowl and the crash of capitalism? How were they to survive. The CCC and WPA gave folks a job so they could put food on the table. I suppose your solution would have been to let folks suffer and die because capitalism would correct itself if given time. However that would not be a solution because that is the point which folks would turn to socialism or communism simply to survive. FDR prevented that. He saved capitalism.
I think most understand that but just cannot admit it.
That's consistent with what I've heard from the very old, a couple of whom have told me they were absolutely convinced that the U.S. would go communist in the 1930s.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#32065 Aug 16, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Several times the bubble burst. Each time folks had to suffer. In earlier times there were enough rural folks to weather the downfall because they had access to food. In the dirty thirties, the drought interacted with the depression to cause much suffering. The toll on lives and democracy probably itself would have been nearly unbearable if the government had not propped up capitalism. Yes, capitalism collapsed. If it was not for Roosevelt, the country undoubtedly would have gone Socialist. He saved Capitalism. Read your history.
Actually people have suffered under many different forms for far longer than under capitalism. Socialism, Communism, and even Facism people suffered and suffered more and for longer.

If anything government has prolonged the suffering by propping up failures that a purer form of capitalism would of done away with. The car companies and Wall Street were according to government just to big to fail. Under the purest form of Capitalism no one is to big to fail and when they do other, smaller more agile move in to take there place.

Roosevelt brought the country closer to socialism than nearly anyone else before Obama. Like Obama he prolonged the suffering. It is like removing a bandage. You have two ways slow or fast. Slow may hurt a little less but it hurts longer while fast just gets it over with. Fast would of ment higher unemployment at one point but the recovery would of happened shortly thereafter and unemployment would be close to normal by now instead of eight percent average now.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#32066 Aug 16, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
...2. stop subsidizing fossil fuels...
The thing is, people buy fossil fuel and its taxes pay for far more than any 'fossil fuel subsidy'. Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money.
shannon
#32068 Aug 16, 2012
oh yeah

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32070 Aug 17, 2012
Spambrat wrote:
Fair Game is back!
Welcome..:)
I agree.
I must say, the progress is fantastic.
People will love you for that.
Congratulations.
5 full cups of tea out of five.
BRAVO."
Excellent.
Thanks for the laugh.
Excellent.
Thanks for the laugh.
a wonderful scientist[Hansen]
The guy is solid gold, true and true.
How do you keep your tongue clean?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32071 Aug 17, 2012
Nauseous wrote:
That's consistent with what I've heard from the very old, a couple of whom have told me they were absolutely convinced that the U.S. would go communist in the 1930s.
Haven't you managed to work out that even some old people in the USA are strange?
Should you be unfotunate enough to live that long, you're well on the way to being a strange old person yourself.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32072 Aug 17, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Haven't you managed to work out that even some old people in the USA are strange?
Should you be unfotunate enough to live that long, you're well on the way to being a strange old person yourself.
WOW the commander of useless babble calls people strange. Hay dirtling take a good look at your self and you will find strange. Why do you have a hate for Americans?
litesong
#32073 Aug 17, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
How do you keep your tongue clean?
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' doesn't worry about clean, since he is a slimy steeking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32074 Aug 17, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually people have suffered under many different forms for far longer than under capitalism. Socialism, Communism, and even Facism people suffered and suffered more and for longer.
If anything government has prolonged the suffering by propping up failures that a purer form of capitalism would of done away with. The car companies and Wall Street were according to government just to big to fail. Under the purest form of Capitalism no one is to big to fail and when they do other, smaller more agile move in to take there place.
Roosevelt brought the country closer to socialism than nearly anyone else before Obama. Like Obama he prolonged the suffering. It is like removing a bandage. You have two ways slow or fast. Slow may hurt a little less but it hurts longer while fast just gets it over with. Fast would of ment higher unemployment at one point but the recovery would of happened shortly thereafter and unemployment would be close to normal by now instead of eight percent average now.
Sorry dearie, but it was the policies of H. Hoover that didn't work. Giving money to the affluent didn't trickle down. The depression deepened. There was no way out except government aid to the poor folks who had no money and no way to get it.

I agree that suffering was heavy under all forms of government but that is no reason to believe that capitalism is immune. A government like ours that is able to meld the private and public sectors is the most viable. There is no reason to let multitudes suffer unduly just because of a depression. Capitalism has its own pitfalls the same as any other economic system. Capitalism is not God.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32075 Aug 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The thing is, people buy fossil fuel and its taxes pay for far more than any 'fossil fuel subsidy'. Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money.
As usual, you are babbling incessantly about something that you are in complete ignorance.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32077 Aug 17, 2012
PHDumbo wrote:
Why do you have a hate for Americans?
Since Hitler died, I've only hated those who continued his work.
To the best of my knowledge, not one American numbers among them.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32078 Aug 17, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
about something that you are in complete ignorance.
Say what?
Of, maybe?
koz
#32079 Aug 17, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Several times the bubble burst. Each time folks had to suffer. In earlier times there were enough rural folks to weather the downfall because they had access to food. In the dirty thirties, the drought interacted with the depression to cause much suffering. The toll on lives and democracy probably itself would have been nearly unbearable if the government had not propped up capitalism. Yes, capitalism collapsed. If it was not for Roosevelt, the country undoubtedly would have gone Socialist. He saved Capitalism. Read your history.
I read history. That is why I know tha socialist meddling in captialism is what actually causes the suffering, includeing tens of millions killed, like the Russian kulaks.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32080 Aug 17, 2012
koz wrote:
I read history. That is why I know tha socialist meddling in captialism is what actually causes the suffering, includeing tens of millions killed, like the Russian kulaks.
If you read history, you must know that Glowbull warming is a hoax?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32081 Aug 17, 2012
koz wrote:
<quoted text>I read history. That is why I know tha socialist meddling in captialism is what actually causes the suffering, includeing tens of millions killed, like the Russian kulaks.
You need to go back and read it once more for comprehension. Pure capitalism has never worked. It never has and never will. It is simply an economic system and does not consider the human condition. What has made America strong is the melding of the private sector with the public sector.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#32082 Aug 17, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/new s/global-warming/TTBDQ19UNTAPR 1GMK#c16
Fair Game is back!
Welcome..:)
Thanks!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#32083 Aug 17, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>If you read history, you must know that Glowbull warming is a hoax?
With record heat across the US, more and more people must be realising that deniers are simply liars.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#32084 Aug 17, 2012
Don't forget the record heat in parts of Europe, Fuggy, I wouldn't want you to miss out on an opportunity like that.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#32085 Aug 17, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
With record heat across the US, more and more people must be realising that deniers are simply liars.
I was in Alaska for a day and half in July and Alaska broke all records for cold and rain in July........

Here in Vallarta last winter we broke all records for cold also.......

That must mean that warmers are telling a fat gore??
litesong

Everett, WA

#32086 Aug 17, 2012
here is one dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in Alaska for a day and half in July and Alaska broke all records for cold and rain in July........
Yeah, the heat is in most of the U.S. & Arctic, while Alaska & our Pacific Northwest was cold.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/july...

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