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kal

West Richland, WA

#32044 Aug 15, 2012
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
FDR had 6 million pigs slaughtered and destroyed crops while people were starving in order to raise the price of food. The toll of FDRs experimental policies made the suffering longer, especially his NRA, which crushed capitalism for the little guy.
oh my goodness 'kristy', that is almost exactly what obama is doing as we speak.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editor...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#32045 Aug 15, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Still waiting to hear the specific practical actions you expect to be taken on global warming, who exactly you're holding responsible for taking them, deadlines for action, their cost, and the projected effect on global avg temps that will result from these actions.
If you can't articulate a specific plan of action with assigned responsibilities that is practical and achieveable, you really have no reason to be whining about people not acting.
Waiting your response. In the meantime:

1. reduce our personal carbon footprint by 20 percent in the next year.

2. stop subsidizing fossil fuels.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#32047 Aug 15, 2012
Not waiting for Teddy R:

1. reduce our personal carbon footprint by 20 percent in the next year.

2. stop subsidizing fossil fuels.

3. vote for Obama/Biden.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#32048 Aug 15, 2012
kal wrote:
<quoted text>oh my goodness 'kristy', that is almost exactly what obama is doing as we speak.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editor...
Holy Cow!!! This just exemplifies how government is the problem. 40% of our corn going to fuel cars to get votes from Illinois and the corn belt states and then the ranchers have no food for their cattle so the government buys up the meat to keep the votes from the corn belt states instead of just lifting the ethanol mandate and in the process raising food prices for all consumers. And Obama keeps telling us that we need the government to save us.
rider

Ishpeming, MI

#32049 Aug 15, 2012
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy Cow!!! This just exemplifies how government is the problem. 40% of our corn going to fuel cars to get votes from Illinois and the corn belt states and then the ranchers have no food for their cattle so the government buys up the meat to keep the votes from the corn belt states instead of just lifting the ethanol mandate and in the process raising food prices for all consumers. And Obama keeps telling us that we need the government to save us.
Why did the Neo-cons take down the twin towers and WTC 7? NEVER FORGET! Neocons and Bin Laden took down the towers. Immortal Technique- The Cause of Death- YouTube
Jun 7, 2006 ... Immortal Technique's "The Cause of Death," viva la revolucion!

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kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#32050 Aug 15, 2012
And Kal, have you noticed that anytime governments try to control the food, it leads to waste and starvation. Venezuela, Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba to name a few. Capitalism is the most efficient system to lift people out of poverty and to provide enough food and goods to the people...that is until the government steps in to "help."

Here is a report from the great Hugo Chavez and his "helpful" government who took over food production.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thor-halvorssen...
kal

West Richland, WA

#32051 Aug 15, 2012
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy Cow!!! This just exemplifies how government is the problem. 40% of our corn going to fuel cars to get votes from Illinois and the corn belt states and then the ranchers have no food for their cattle so the government buys up the meat to keep the votes from the corn belt states instead of just lifting the ethanol mandate and in the process raising food prices for all consumers. And Obama keeps telling us that we need the government to save us.
oh yes 'kristy', you are ever so right.
" the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the population alarmed ( and hence clamours to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
h l mencken.
that also seems to apply to 'global warming caused by man', in fact it fits perfectly.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#32052 Aug 15, 2012
Earthling....this one is for you. I will tie this all together with glowbull warming. Governments are always messing things up by trying to engineer outcomes. In the US, right now, we have an ethanol mandate because it "supposedly" will lower carbon emissions which will "control" the temperatures of the planet. Around the world, there are some cap and trade programs in place to "control" the temperature of the planet. We are throwing tons of money into alternative energy that just doesn't meet our needs. We are not drilling in the US on federal lands to "control" the temperature of the planet. We are closing coal plants. We aren't building nuclear. The outcome of all of this is fraud, corruption, waste, increased food prices, food scarcity, decreased jobs, higher energy costs (necessarily skyrocketing), more regulation which leads to suppression of new business, increased taxes which leads to less money into the economy which leads to decreased economic activity which keeps us in a permanent recession.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#32053 Aug 15, 2012
kal wrote:
<quoted text>oh yes 'kristy', you are ever so right.
" the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the population alarmed ( and hence clamours to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
h l mencken.
that also seems to apply to 'global warming caused by man', in fact it fits perfectly.
LOL...I just posted tying this in with global warming. But governments can never let a "serious crisis" go to waste. But yet anything the government tries to control only leads to increased costs, waste, fraud, and corruption. The politicians tell us that capitalism needs to be controlled (which there does need to be some regulation from the government), but there is no one to control or regulate the government as our government has gone beyond its limitations and refuses to acknowledge their part in the destruction of our economy. Instead our government and the world governments continue to put the entire blame on the capitalist system and tell us only the government can save us.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32055 Aug 16, 2012
kristy wrote:
Earthling....this one is for you. I will tie this all together with glowbull warming. Governments are always messing things up by trying to engineer outcomes. In the US, right now, we have an ethanol mandate because it "supposedly" will lower carbon emissions which will "control" the temperatures of the planet. Around the world, there are some cap and trade programs in place to "control" the temperature of the planet. We are throwing tons of money into alternative energy that just doesn't meet our needs. We are not drilling in the US on federal lands to "control" the temperature of the planet. We are closing coal plants. We aren't building nuclear. The outcome of all of this is fraud, corruption, waste, increased food prices, food scarcity, decreased jobs, higher energy costs (necessarily skyrocketing), more regulation which leads to suppression of new business, increased taxes which leads to less money into the economy which leads to decreased economic activity which keeps us in a permanent recession.
Sorry, bud, but I'm numbed by all the hate that's going on around the planet, maybe it's time to shut the 'factory' down and start again from scratch.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32056 Aug 16, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, bud, but I'm numbed by all the hate that's going on around the planet, maybe it's time to shut the 'factory' down and start again from scratch.
Your post emanates hate. Are you going away?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#32057 Aug 16, 2012
kal wrote:
<quoted text>oh yes 'kristy', you are ever so right.
" the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the population alarmed ( and hence clamours to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
h l mencken.
that also seems to apply to 'global warming caused by man', in fact it fits perfectly.
Go ahead. Whip up your conspiracy....
Never mind what rational folks like scientists say.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#32058 Aug 16, 2012
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
FDR had 6 million pigs slaughtered and destroyed crops while people were starving in order to raise the price of food. The toll of FDRs experimental policies made the suffering longer, especially his NRA, which crushed capitalism for the little guy.
Study your history. Farmers could not sell their hogs because no one had enough money to buy them. The farmers could not afford to feed them and were to the point that they could not even pay their property taxes. So the government bought the hogs. There was more than plenty of food. The problem was that capitalism faltered and no one had any money to buy things. By the government paying the farmers they were able to purchase supplies and get the money flowing again.

FDR kept folks from starving. What was the unemployment rate at the time? How many farmers lost their farms due to the dust bowl and the crash of capitalism? How were they to survive. The CCC and WPA gave folks a job so they could put food on the table. I suppose your solution would have been to let folks suffer and die because capitalism would correct itself if given time. However that would not be a solution because that is the point which folks would turn to socialism or communism simply to survive. FDR prevented that. He saved capitalism.

I think most understand that but just cannot admit it.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32059 Aug 16, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
Go ahead. Whip up your conspiracy....
Never mind what rational folks like scientists say.
Looks like you're running out of steam, old man, take you meds, have nursey change your diaper, then you can take a nap, your race is run.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#32060 Aug 16, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Study your history. Farmers could not sell their hogs because no one had enough money to buy them. The farmers could not afford to feed them and were to the point that they could not even pay their property taxes. So the government bought the hogs. There was more than plenty of food. The problem was that capitalism faltered and no one had any money to buy things.
Exactly.
Study famines in ANY region or time and you will find that they are caused by economic hardship, not access to food. If a subsistence farmer has his crops fail because of drought, he will starve, not because there is no food available at the market but because he cannot afford to buy it. Just go to ANY famine stricken area and you will find plenty of food FOR SALE, often from unaffected areas or even international imports.
The same with the depression. Farmers can grow just as much food but not enough of the public can buy it, or enough of it. So the farmer has problems too with trying to SELL his crops to buy enough seed to plant the new crop. That is what FDR solved. He didn't just kill the pigs and throw them away. He made if possible for the public to consume them and the farmers to trim their herds to the numbers they COULD sell.
Capitalism fails when too many in power get greedy beyond their needs or the needs of the system. This impoverishment of the poor and middle class ends up removing the very basis of the economy and stalling it. The result is recession or depression, depending on how successful they are at gaming the system for their own benefit. As long as they keep their demands in bounds, the economy can survive. But the nomination of Paul Ryan for running mate shows that they will keep trying until they DO crash the system.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32061 Aug 16, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
I'm numbed by all the hate that's going on around the planet.....
....,but not inspired enough, NOT to be a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#32062 Aug 16, 2012
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

Fair Game is back!

Welcome..:)
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32063 Aug 16, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/new s/global-warming/TTBDQ19UNTAPR 1GMK#c16
Fair Game is back!
Welcome..:)
Yeah, welcome back to Fair Game, where the game is taken to criminal levels by topix AGW deniers, & supported by topix AGW deniers, who are too scared to be criminal.
Northie

United States

#32064 Aug 16, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Study your history. Farmers could not sell their hogs because no one had enough money to buy them. The farmers could not afford to feed them and were to the point that they could not even pay their property taxes. So the government bought the hogs. There was more than plenty of food. The problem was that capitalism faltered and no one had any money to buy things. By the government paying the farmers they were able to purchase supplies and get the money flowing again.
FDR kept folks from starving. What was the unemployment rate at the time? How many farmers lost their farms due to the dust bowl and the crash of capitalism? How were they to survive. The CCC and WPA gave folks a job so they could put food on the table. I suppose your solution would have been to let folks suffer and die because capitalism would correct itself if given time. However that would not be a solution because that is the point which folks would turn to socialism or communism simply to survive. FDR prevented that. He saved capitalism.
I think most understand that but just cannot admit it.
That's consistent with what I've heard from the very old, a couple of whom have told me they were absolutely convinced that the U.S. would go communist in the 1930s.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#32065 Aug 16, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Several times the bubble burst. Each time folks had to suffer. In earlier times there were enough rural folks to weather the downfall because they had access to food. In the dirty thirties, the drought interacted with the depression to cause much suffering. The toll on lives and democracy probably itself would have been nearly unbearable if the government had not propped up capitalism. Yes, capitalism collapsed. If it was not for Roosevelt, the country undoubtedly would have gone Socialist. He saved Capitalism. Read your history.
Actually people have suffered under many different forms for far longer than under capitalism. Socialism, Communism, and even Facism people suffered and suffered more and for longer.

If anything government has prolonged the suffering by propping up failures that a purer form of capitalism would of done away with. The car companies and Wall Street were according to government just to big to fail. Under the purest form of Capitalism no one is to big to fail and when they do other, smaller more agile move in to take there place.

Roosevelt brought the country closer to socialism than nearly anyone else before Obama. Like Obama he prolonged the suffering. It is like removing a bandage. You have two ways slow or fast. Slow may hurt a little less but it hurts longer while fast just gets it over with. Fast would of ment higher unemployment at one point but the recovery would of happened shortly thereafter and unemployment would be close to normal by now instead of eight percent average now.

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