Cops: Gangs targeted teen boy

Roky Uriostegui didn't want to be a gang member, and he didn't want to get beat up, either. Full Story
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leonard watson

United States

#152 Jan 17, 2008
Joe C wrote:
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Thank You!!!! someone who gets it. I think we can all agree that criminals will always find a way to get guns. Criminals only attack when they are sure a victim cant defend themselves. thats why when Gangmembers are all alone they are nicer than my grandma. they know without a gun and one on one the risk getting their ass whooped on. I guess Robin the first has never had anything bad happen to her.
Thanks Joe C. I try to present just the facts without throwing anger, emotion, name calling or anything else into the picture.

All I want is the freedom to exercise the rights our founding fathers gave me. I want to protect myself and my family. I want to defend the defenseless. I do not tell anyone they have to carry a gun, just do not tell me that I can't.

I like to compare it to voting, I do not tell anyone they have to vote or who they have to vote for. Whether you choose to exercise your right to vote is up to you, but do not try to take away my right to vote.

I feel this way about all my rights. You can exercise yours or not but do not stand in the way of me exercising mine, that is hat they are there for!
Amado

Chicago, IL

#153 Jan 17, 2008
There was mention in the article that someone heard an exchange of words. A person with a gun and a hint of anger probably doesn't care about someone's innocence, affiliation, or lack of affiliation with a gang if he or she doesnt' shut up while he or she [the gang member] is waving the gun. I wouldn't be surprised if the victim wasn't angelic, but if there was a verbal confrontation and he just let it go, the shooter felt that shooting the kid would solve the problem. After all, the victim was supposedly mistaken for being gang affiliated while he was at his previous school What's to say that whoever approached him didn't think the same thing? Add an argument to the mix and now someone feels a right to kill. No matter how you look at it, the whole shooting episode was wrong.
nova0311 wrote:
I have a problem with a quote from the article.
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OK, so he had no criminal history. That's good. But how exactly can Lt. Staples know for sure that he was not involved in a gang? The article also said that he was pressure so much that he changed schools. Who knows what happened in the new school.
Does the police department keep a list of all gang members and they know the membership of every gang? If they do, why haven't they rounded them all up yet?
For the record, I am not a member or former member of a gang, but I do have some knowledge of gangs because I've known members in the past. They rarely target innocent kids for execution just because they won't join. There are plenty of other kids who will join. Rival gang members are targeted, not neutrals.
bit off

La Vergne, TN

#155 Jan 17, 2008
Unreal wrote:
The world we live in today is hard to swallow. The gang bangers in general have become more violent through the years. At this time what solution is a good one?
Strict Gun Laws? That will make no difference in the long run.
Arm the Citizen? Come on that poor boy was more than likely shot in cold blood.
Violence breeds more Violence.
We are the Melting pot of the world.
How Many senseless murders will it take? 1 life taken is too many in my world.
Can the Police handle the problem?
At what point has any police department actually solved the problem of gangs in the inner city? The problem is societal. It's beyond their means to control. They're not superhuman.
It's up to Society to change the way we accept these heinous crimes.
As Americans we want the easy way out on almost everything we do.
As we all sit at our computers typing away "The Answer to the Problem" take a good look at life around you.
WE HAVE BECOME AN INDIVUALISTIC SOCIETY!
THIS IS WHY THE GANGS WILL CONTINUE TO WIN THE BATTLE. THEY ULTIMATELY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR LIFE OR LIFE AROUND THEM!
Letís give them a reason to live a good life.
This will take an enormous amount of time in my opinion. Maybe one more Century?
gangbangers have been given enough in their life. welfare money, food stamps. these gangbangers today have more money coming in than most hard working people in the city or suburbs.
Let's just give them more and coddle them until we turn our backs so they can shoot us and take it all. I am 40 years old and ran with the gangs when I was a kid but never killed anyone. Nobody I was associated with killed anyone. Today's kids are spoiled and the parents have to work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. Some partents are sitting on their backside and don't care where the kids are as long as the kids aren't under the parents feet.

Daley can do something about it. The state can do something about it. Parents can do something about it. It's going to take EVERYONE (Daley, Blago, police, parents) to right this sucken ship.

I had my few minutes of free speech and I'm sure more will follow. Enjoy !!
Robin the first

San Diego, CA

#154 Jan 17, 2008
And I'm saying that violence knows no boundaries of race, economics, borders, religion, mental states (enhanced or natural), etc. To get at the root of the cause of violence WE must look outside of these boundaries too. We must take a look at our tolerance of violence in all it's forms. We must look at the fact that up until about 70 years ago it was perfectly acceptable to beat your wife and there were practically no laws to protect all manner of abuse against children. And I'm saying that violence knows no boundaries of race, economics, borders, religion, mental states (enhanced or natural), etc. To get at the root of the cause of violence WE must look outside of these boundaries too. We must take a look at our tolerance of violence in all it's forms. We must look at the fact that up until about 70 years ago it was perfectly acceptable to beat your wife and there were practically no laws to protect all manner of abuse against children. We must look at all of the ways that society says, everyday, that violence is OK. From what we teach our children about sports, to how we think to discipline them, to how we justify wars and the death penalty, to how we feel about the wide-spread ownership of weapons, to how we glorify violence as a perfectly logical means to an end, all of this needs to be taken into consideration. There doesn't need to be a shift in the laws of this country so much as there needs to be a shift in the values of society.

We've manage to change many wide-spread social ills. Slavery, a very common practice to most societies long before America is now, practically unheard of. The treatment of women and children as little more than chattel is only practiced in the most impoverished backward places. Many unhealthy habits, outdated medical philosophies and social self-mutilating practices have been discontinued. Not only is it in the realm of possibility it is all but probable that man will learn to live without violence against his fellow man in the future.
Robin the first

San Diego, CA

#156 Jan 17, 2008
Sorry. Edited for clarity

And I'm saying that violence knows no boundaries of race, economics, borders, religion, mental states (enhanced or natural), etc. To get at the root of the cause of violence WE must look outside of these boundaries too. We must take a look at our tolerance of violence in all it's forms. We must look at the fact that up until about 70 years ago it was perfectly acceptable to beat your wife and there were practically no laws to protect all manner of abuse against children. We must look at all of the ways that society says, everyday, that violence is OK. From what we teach our children about sports, to how we think to discipline them, to how we justify wars and the death penalty, to how we feel about the wide-spread ownership of weapons, to how we glorify violence as a perfectly logical means to an end, all of this needs to be taken into consideration. There doesn't need to be a shift in the laws of this country so much as there needs to be a shift in the values of society.

We've manage to change many wide-spread social ills. Slavery, a very common practice to most societies long before America is now, practically unheard of. The treatment of women and children as little more than chattel is only practiced in the most impoverished backward places. Many unhealthy habits, outdated medical philosophies and social self-mutilating practices have been discontinued. Not only is it in the realm of possibility it is all but probable that man will learn to live without violence against his fellow man in the future.
Julie

Chicago, IL

#157 Jan 17, 2008
staci wrote:
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So, the point is if you're white and American it's okay to kill?
Staci, I don't think you read what I said.. it is not OK for anyone to kill.. but we cannot deport and are responsible for Americans.. we are not responsible and should not have to foot the bill for illegal criminals to boot..
Amado

Chicago, IL

#158 Jan 17, 2008
Rediculous, your last sentence is the essence statement that everyone should walk away with. Corrective action starts at home, but that seems to be too much like right for some odd reason. There seems to be an expectation that the school, the goverment, and everyone else is supposed to keep kids in their proper place. We all know that will never happen.

I watched kids in my middle class neighborhood opt to drink and do drugs, and their parents said nothing. My parents were at every PTA meeting. They went to the after-school assemblies. They were all up in my face about my homework being done before I turned on the TV. They called my teachers if I came home too many times "without homework." I viewed it as interference then, but it kept me mindful of who the adults were at home. That doesn't exist nowadays, and so you have kids out of control being involved in whatever and kids being victimized by those who are into wrongdoings.
Rediculous wrote:
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Why are you saying that responsible parenting "garbage"? The responsible parenting issue IS the ONLY issue that matters in these circumstances. The police are not responsible for watching our kids every minute. Mayor Daley is not responsible for watching your kids every move. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN KIDS EVERY ACTION. Take responsibility for your own actions and don't put your head in the sand. Only good and disciplined parenting can take the place of gangs. In fact, I believe that most gang bangers are committed to the gang because they take care of them. "Man up" like EEBanks said and take care of them yourselves. All the arguments about "others" being responsible is passing the buck and will never work. Don't take back the streets - take back the HOME!
fran

United States

#159 Jan 17, 2008
This problem is not guns, if they didn't have a gun they would use a bat or a knife. This problem is not illegal aliens. This problem is not politicians. This problem is the lack of respect that is apparent today in all races and ages. People do not show respect for one another. Everybody think that they are owed something. That the world dumped on them so they will dump back. I don't know how this happened and I don't think there is a way to fix it.
BYNC

Chicago, IL

#161 Jan 17, 2008
last white guy wrote:
Look how you spin this into racism. What does racism have to do with Mexicans and blacks laying dead on the street? Were they killed by whites? My next question is how many tax dollars will we spend to bury this loser?
it would be nice if they gave us money for the burial
BYNC

Chicago, IL

#162 Jan 17, 2008
i didnt know roky but i would never wish this to happen to anyones kid not even last white guys children my heart and condolences go out to the family, stop the violance stop the senseless killings in the end the streets will still be here long after these killers are in jail and theyre friends have forgoten about them someone do the right thing and turn them in, it could be your mother or someone loved tomorrow
yama

United States

#163 Jan 17, 2008
Well said Leonard great job!
shanae sanchez

Chicago, IL

#164 Jan 18, 2008
im so sorry 4 wat happened
daniel tapia

Chicago, IL

#165 Jan 18, 2008
R.I.P. ROCKY WE MISS YOU MAN YOUR GONE BUT THE MEMORIES LAST FOREVER

R.I.P. ROCKY UriosteguI 1992-2008
Julie

Chicago, IL

#166 Jan 18, 2008
daniel tapia wrote:
R.I.P. ROCKY WE MISS YOU MAN YOUR GONE BUT THE MEMORIES LAST FOREVER
R.I.P. ROCKY UriosteguI 1992-2008
If you know him you probably know what happened or someone that does.. please go to police even if it is anonymously..
15yrold

Melrose Park, IL

#167 Jan 19, 2008
This happened to be my cousin's childhood friend. My cousins moved out of that neighborhood to another suburb exactly because of this problem. It's sad things like this happen, especially to someone trying to get away from the gang problem. And it's a waste of time that some of you commenting aren't even on subject.
NENA

United States

#168 Jan 20, 2008
look "last white guy" i know you dont have to go through any of this because you may have had everything handed down to you because you have more opportunity but try living like we do and actually put yourself in our spot and he was a good kid and i know that because i grew up with him ok and yes the police are over here but just because something happend not because they are patroling because a week or something is going to pass by and they are going yo be gone and we put memorials to someone because of the fact that we miss them and it's in order of their memory because we actually care about somebody when they die and all my respects go out to his mom because i know shes going through a hard time...R.I.P ROKY
BYNC

United States

#169 Jan 24, 2008
Roxy wrote:
The gangs permeate every facet of life in Little Village - it's an open secret that the Alderman there, Ricardo Munoz, has connections to the Latin Kings, and his dad was running a fake ID mill for illegals.
i was just reading the chica sun times and they commented on why the chicago police has so many unsolved homicides and they said because no one wants to come forward looks whose running the city council ex gangmembers
BYNC

United States

#170 Jan 24, 2008
well if anyone wants to put some time into back of the yards people talk and there is word that one of the powerful gangs in the area has police ties there is two cops that have been out there for almost a decade in the 9th dist that are helping out a certain gang. and where is the media attention another murder over the weekend that brings it to almost six in the 1/4 mile or two block distance and still no killer since 12/22/07 to 01/24/08 RIP to the forgoten back of the yards children of death
rani

Dallas, TX

#171 May 20, 2008
I am so much worried about my brother who is 17 year old,every thing was alright but since he started going to chicago public school,my brother is not the same,my mother cries every day,he used to come home late and now he never came home,he is 17 and all other group people are over30 and using my innocent brother,does any body know where to get help in chicago?i feel like my whole family is dead no happiness no joy nothing in the house,just sadness and darkness.

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