Black churchgoers break with leading ...

Black churchgoers break with leading Democrats on marriage amendment

There are 1925 comments on the WCNC-TV Charlotte story from Apr 21, 2012, titled Black churchgoers break with leading Democrats on marriage amendment. In it, WCNC-TV Charlotte reports that:

Bishop Phillip Davis had not planned to talk about marriage and politics, but five minutes into his sermon at Nations Ford Community Church in Charlotte he changed his mind.

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Health Crisis Alert

Becket, MA

#1853 Jun 19, 2012
Abdurratln wrote:
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The Clintons are psycho. I think they are motivated by money only. I do not know what to say about Obama. I think he is mainly empty inside. When a persdon does not stand for anything, he will fall for anything. Notice how Obama changed his position on "gay marriage" to suit the situation. Such a man is dangerous. he will bend whatever way that seems to stroke his ego. In other words, what really scares me about Obama is my realization that he does not Believe in GOD.[" I am a Christian, umm errr by choice ummm, errr, ah, eh, oh, wa, umm, eeerr.(http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=nzSe-Zm6oxsXX)]
His speech at the g20 tonight was an absolute disaster. These people are wild animals, his own city of Chicago is on the verge of anarchy. Personally I think they like it. They should be rounded up and put away, soon.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1854 Jun 19, 2012
Health Crisis Alert wrote:
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His speech at the g20 tonight was an absolute disaster. These people are wild animals, his own city of Chicago is on the verge of anarchy. Personally I think they like it. They should be rounded up and put away, soon.
I can see you in that job, wearing a black uniform, wielding German shepards with big teeth and carrying whips and lining your perceived enemies up in lines, sending the weaker ones to the showers, then locking them in large areas, for lack of another word, CAMPS, with barbed wire around them.

Arbeit Macht Frei, Adolph. Sieg Heil!
Health Crisis Alert

Becket, MA

#1855 Jun 19, 2012
You're killin us all Curteese, slowly, softly, eventually.
Health crisis alert.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1856 Jun 19, 2012
Health Crisis Alert wrote:
You're killin us all Curteese, slowly, softly, eventually.
Health crisis alert.
I'm not the one worrying about HIV from doorknobs and drinking fountains. I am clear on my status and am NOT having sex willy nilly with strangers, thus NOT worrying about getting ill. What are YOU worried about?

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1857 Jun 20, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Obama has kept many of his promises.
He has always said he supported full equal rights of marriage. He said he preferred to call them civil unions, and keep marriage for a man and a women, but he was "evolving".
Many religious scholars, leaders, and believers support marriage equality for gay people. Believing in treating others the way you want to be treated does not mean you don't believe in God. Many would say the refusal to treat others as you would want to be treated is the position that reveals a lack of belief in God.
What is good for the goose is good for the gnader. Right?



Obama has lost his legitimacy to lead and he must leave
Family Crisis Alert

Becket, MA

#1858 Jun 20, 2012
Abdurratln wrote:
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What is good for the goose is good for the gnader. Right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6J3MHkJnzIwXX
Obama has lost his legitimacy to lead and he must leave
Thank you for your concerns about my children and all children, it goes a long long way with conservatives.
Peace.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1859 Jun 20, 2012
Family Crisis Alert wrote:
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Thank you for your concerns about my children and all children, it goes a long long way with conservatives.
Peace.
I have alway been conservative on family value issues. And I have never supoported the Dummycrats in all their weird perverted ideals and values such as what Slick Willy represents and what Hitlery represents. I have snever upported either of those two. But like a fool, I did support Obama until he proved himself unworthy of the support of the majority of Americans, especially not the support of those of us of African descent. As long as he does not take our intersts and concerns into account, he will not have my support nor that of any of my closest friends and family.

What I have learned is thzat republicans are much more sympathetic to African independence and African nationalism than Dummycrats are. And they are less likely to try to destroy our value systems and impose weird liberal values against our will and against our good judgement.
Family Health Alert

Becket, MA

#1860 Jun 20, 2012
Abdurratln wrote:
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I have alway been conservative on family value issues. And I have never supoported the Dummycrats in all their weird perverted ideals and values such as what Slick Willy represents and what Hitlery represents. I have snever upported either of those two. But like a fool, I did support Obama until he proved himself unworthy of the support of the majority of Americans, especially not the support of those of us of African descent. As long as he does not take our intersts and concerns into account, he will not have my support nor that of any of my closest friends and family.
What I have learned is thzat republicans are much more sympathetic to African independence and African nationalism than Dummycrats are. And they are less likely to try to destroy our value systems and impose weird liberal values against our will and against our good judgement.
I wish we could talk more, I just want you to know I am sorry for my excesses for resources that were not ours. I truly wish and pray somehow someway we could smooth things over. As you can see there are so many issues to deal with. I wish our men and women to come home very soon and we pray for ALL who have lost. This dangerous game of chess must end soon.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1861 Jun 20, 2012
Family Health Alert wrote:
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I wish we could talk more, I just want you to know I am sorry for my excesses for resources that were not ours. I truly wish and pray somehow someway we could smooth things over. As you can see there are so many issues to deal with. I wish our men and women to come home very soon and we pray for ALL who have lost. This dangerous game of chess must end soon.
What bothers me as much as anything is the way they lie and twists things. Like in Mexioc a couple days ago, Putin said that wh would try to work out a deal with Obama and avoid sending in new helicopters and such to Syria. But jhe warned that they could expect reperccuisons from the east if they continued to send in weapons through Turkey. What do Obama and his gang do? Thet feed the news media a lie that Putin has agreed to get rid of Asad. Any fool knows that is not true. But, they lie like that trying to create a reality that they do not have. Like in Libya, they went there to "protect civilians". But Obama said not one solitary word as those black workers werre lynched and ethnically cleansed from their ancestral homes. This is beyond hyporcrisy. This is a new low, a new kind of mental disease that they have. That gang in power is straight up crazy, they are nuts. And this is why I will never vote to re-elect such fools to office.
Family Health Alert

Becket, MA

#1862 Jun 20, 2012
Certainly crazy is one of the many words that apply. One trend I've noticed for a long time now is Americans being polarized by the media with half truths and such, only then to find out none of it was true to begin with. This is just awful in so many ways and I honestly do not know who to trust anymore. We may not feel the same pain that is going on in other lands but I personally feel the sense of urgency at hand.
Ten years ago as a student in college and after 2 semesters of conservation, I knew we were in trouble for the simple fact that annually we consume 30% of resources in the world but are less than 5% world population. This is exactly how and why wars get started. So much for conservation.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1863 Jun 20, 2012
Family Health Alert wrote:
Certainly crazy is one of the many words that apply. One trend I've noticed for a long time now is Americans being polarized by the media with half truths and such, only then to find out none of it was true to begin with. This is just awful in so many ways and I honestly do not know who to trust anymore. We may not feel the same pain that is going on in other lands but I personally feel the sense of urgency at hand.
Ten years ago as a student in college and after 2 semesters of conservation, I knew we were in trouble for the simple fact that annually we consume 30% of resources in the world but are less than 5% world population. This is exactly how and why wars get started. So much for conservation.
Good lord, you two are KILLING me! So BORING I could scream. And, try breaking your posts up into PARAGRAPHS, so one can read your impassioned tomes! Unless you don't even CARE!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#1864 Jun 21, 2012
Good Church people don't hold with redefining marriage. If husband/wife marriage was good enough for Jesus, Moses and Abraham...

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1865 Jun 21, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Good Church people don't hold with redefining marriage. If husband/wife marriage was good enough for Jesus, Moses and Abraham...
Good church people know that Jesus was never married and Abraham had three wives and Moses had two.

Is THIS what you meant for our society???

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1866 Jun 21, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Good lord, you two are KILLING me! So BORING I could scream. And, try breaking your posts up into PARAGRAPHS, so one can read your impassioned tomes! Unless you don't even CARE!
I bet it would not be boring if your butt was hanging from a hospital window or your doctor was participating in a lynch mob aganist you. Obviously, you have not been paying atention:


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Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1867 Jun 21, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Good church people know that Jesus was never married and Abraham had three wives and Moses had two.
Is THIS what you meant for our society???
That is what we want, except Jesus did have Mary Mdeleine. So, obviously he was not "gay". That is lie that the white western man has imposed on Christianity.

Oh yeah. Prophet Muhammad had about 14 wivess and he visited each one of them every day.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#1869 Jun 21, 2012
Curteese wrote:
Good church people know that Jesus was never married and Abraham had three wives and Moses had two.
Is THIS what you meant for our society???
Yes, the one constant, marriage has always been male/female.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#1870 Jun 21, 2012
Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.

Prof. John Boswell3, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century.

The Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes such ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

While homosexuality was technically illegal from late Roman times, homophobic writings didn’t appear in Western Europe until the late 14th century. Even then, church-consecrated same sex unions continued to take place.

At St. John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish church) in 1578, as many as thirteen same-gender couples were joined during a high Mass and with the cooperation of the Vatican clergy, "taking communion together, using the same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together" according to a contemporary report. Another woman to woman union is recorded in Dalmatia in the 18th century.

http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files...

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#1871 Jun 21, 2012
"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.

Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-m...

A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.

"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania."

Gay Marriage Is As Old As History www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#1872 Jun 21, 2012
"The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies." (American Anthropological Association)

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1873 Jun 21, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the one constant, marriage has always been male/female.
Except for Jesus, the big authority on marriage, according to you, ever married. What was up with HIM?

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