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Tipper

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Nov 21, 2013
 
TSF wrote:
OK. I understand. I was thinking it doesn't make sense to drug test people who are on public assistance unless it saves money,. It actually costs the taxpayers more to do the drug testing than it saves by eliminating drug users from the assistance roles.
You are saying that it is worth the extra costs to prevent drug use. You may be right for moral as well as financial reasons, especially if we can keep the legislators sober.. Sometimes I have a tendency to only look at bottom line costs.
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You are so wrong dude Test strips cost next to nothing now.Buddy, I've bought a zillion dollars worth of food stamps from the druggies, far as I'm concerned, keep the suckers coming.
Tipper

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Nov 21, 2013
 
I pay good standard rate, fifty cents on the dollar.Thanks!
State of Florida

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Nov 21, 2013
 
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Exactly what is the connection between public assistance and drugs?

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It is fed by the Republican stereotype that ALL welfare recipients are lazy ass drug addicts and cheaters of the system. They feel that if you wipe out these people, welfare will become non existant.
Taxpayer

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Nov 21, 2013
 
As unprecedented and unbelievable as it sounds, right now in the senate, Harry Reid is attempting to invoke the "Nuclear option" and strip away the ability for opposition to filibuster. Reid might as well burn the original copy of the constitution on the senate floor and roast marshmallows in the flames. This is a blatant attempt to prevent the very processes that keep tyranny at bay.
I am not a proponent of violence, but this (in my opinion) calls for an armed insurrection to re-capture our nation's capital and physically arrest Reid and other democrats who are destroying our country.
Allen

Penrose, NC

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Nov 21, 2013
 
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So Allen, you think addiction to drugs or alcohol is funny. I'd be mighty shocked to learn that you have not ONE relative with an addiction. Instead of making fun of people with drug and alcohol addictions, we should be helping them get help for their problems. Did you think it was funny that senator Ted Kennedy was a raging alcoholic for many years of his service as a senator. Do you think it's funny that that another of the Kennedy men, a congressman, a couple years back was arrested for DWI because he supposedly took his Ambien before he decided to drive home. What they needed was for someone to stop enabling them and help them get help for their problem. There's also Republicans as well that have battled addiction. Addiction doesn't attack by political party or social class.
I personally think anyone elected or receiving public assistance of any kind need to be drug tested. They all need help, not ridicule.
First off no I don't think his addiction is funny. What I did find funny is that he could take a leave of absence and pledge to donate a salary paid by the tax payers. He is supposed to be a leader, an example for the people who elected him. He should be relieved of his duties and his salary.

Let me shock you with this. Yes I did have a drug addict in my family. My ex, dead husband. And no I didn't kill him but I should have. He became addicted to pain meds and muscle relaxers prescribed to him by his doctor after a back injury. When these meds weren't enough to satisfy him he began buying drugs off the streets. I tried to help him only to be threatened with my life. At first the abuse was mental and then it became physical. After twelve years I decided that life was too short and walked away with nothing but the clothes on my back. I told him then, "You got about ten years to live at this rate." He lived another seven years and died of an overdose. He was melting oxicontin and methadone and shooting it into his arms. His mother found him dead, face down on top of his needle. Do I find addiction funny? No, it is not only tradgic for the addict but everyone around them.

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Nov 21, 2013
 
State of Florida wrote:
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It is fed by the Republican stereotype that ALL welfare recipients are lazy ass drug addicts and cheaters of the system. They feel that if you wipe out these people, welfare will become non existant.
Arnold, as usual, you're being a drama queen. What makes you think that people stereotype or perceive welfare recipients as being this way? Do you think because it could possibly be true??? Before you start your little racist rant, remember there are more white people on welfare than blacks. So it has NOTHING to do with race, but EVERYTHING to do with because it's the truth.

The Tipper person never spoke truer words. You and I pay taxes and give this "stereotyped" group you speak of money for food, housing, insurance etc and they DO turn around and sell their food stamps for nonessential items.

Top Cat

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#44693
Nov 21, 2013
 
You're late Taxpayer.Reid already did it, you nut. Three dems voted against, all the rest for it.Done deal.
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Nov 21, 2013
 
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First off no I don't think his addiction is funny. What I did find funny is that he could take a leave of absence and pledge to donate a salary paid by the tax payers. He is supposed to be a leader, an example for the people who elected him. He should be relieved of his duties and his salary.
Let me shock you with this. Yes I did have a drug addict in my family. My ex, dead husband. And no I didn't kill him but I should have. He became addicted to pain meds and muscle relaxers prescribed to him by his doctor after a back injury. When these meds weren't enough to satisfy him he began buying drugs off the streets. I tried to help him only to be threatened with my life. At first the abuse was mental and then it became physical. After twelve years I decided that life was too short and walked away with nothing but the clothes on my back. I told him then, "You got about ten years to live at this rate." He lived another seven years and died of an overdose. He was melting oxicontin and methadone and shooting it into his arms. His mother found him dead, face down on top of his needle. Do I find addiction funny? No, it is not only tradgic for the addict but everyone around them.
Sorry to hear. That is a really sad story. My sympathy to you and the families.
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Nov 21, 2013
 
Taxpayer wrote:
As unprecedented and unbelievable as it sounds, right now in the senate, Harry Reid is attempting to invoke the "Nuclear option" and strip away the ability for opposition to filibuster. Reid might as well burn the original copy of the constitution on the senate floor and roast marshmallows in the flames. This is a blatant attempt to prevent the very processes that keep tyranny at bay.
I am not a proponent of violence, but this (in my opinion) calls for an armed insurrection to re-capture our nation's capital and physically arrest Reid and other democrats who are destroying our country.
Taxpayer they will throw you in jail if you repeat what you just posted.

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Nov 21, 2013
 
Allen wrote:
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First off no I don't think his addiction is funny. What I did find funny is that he could take a leave of absence and pledge to donate a salary paid by the tax payers. He is supposed to be a leader, an example for the people who elected him. He should be relieved of his duties and his salary.
Let me shock you with this. Yes I did have a drug addict in my family. My ex, dead husband. And no I didn't kill him but I should have. He became addicted to pain meds and muscle relaxers prescribed to him by his doctor after a back injury. When these meds weren't enough to satisfy him he began buying drugs off the streets. I tried to help him only to be threatened with my life. At first the abuse was mental and then it became physical. After twelve years I decided that life was too short and walked away with nothing but the clothes on my back. I told him then, "You got about ten years to live at this rate." He lived another seven years and died of an overdose. He was melting oxicontin and methadone and shooting it into his arms. His mother found him dead, face down on top of his needle. Do I find addiction funny? No, it is not only tradgic for the addict but everyone around them.
Allen, I had/have more than one person in my family with an addiction problem. One tragically took his life because he couldn't take it. That's why I find his story and your story a tragedy. Addiction is a sickness and and it covers all socio-economic lines, no one is above reproach when it comes to addiction. As the commercial on TV used to say, nobody grows up and says "I want to be a junkie" and no one does. It doesn't matter if people look up to someone, if people look down on someone, they still need help. I'm glad this Trey congressman saw he had a problem and is getting help. I'm also glad he's giving his salary to charity. Do you think the Kennedy family should have given back the years of salary Ted Kennedy took when he turned up drunk as a skunk to the senate?

TSF

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Nov 21, 2013
 
Florida's welfare drug tests cost more money than state saves, data shows

By Brittany Alana Davis

The Miami Herald


Required drug tests for people seeking welfare benefits ended up costing taxpayers more than it saved and failed to curb the number of prospective applicants, data used against the state in an ongoing legal battle shows.

The findings ó that only 108 of the 4,086 people who took a drug test failed ó are additional ammunition for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, which sued the state and won a temporary ban on the drug-testing program in October, said ACLU spokesman Derek Newton.

Attorneys for the state immediately appealed the ban, and will face off against the ACLU again at the 11th Circuit Court in Atlanta and the U.S. District Court in Orlando in coming months.

The costs and benefits of the law ó and the outcome of the court case ó could reverberate nationwide. This week, Georgia passed its own drug welfare law.

Since Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law last year, 25 states have considered similar legislation, Newton said.

Data about the lawís cost may impact the court of public opinion, but Jenn Meale, a spokeswoman for the attorney generalís office, said it wonít play a role in the legal proceedings.

Thatís because ACLUís case rests on whether the law violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens against "unreasonable searches" by the government.

"Any costs associated with the program are irrelevant to the analysis of whether the statute is constitutional," Meale said.

Of the 4,086 applicants who scheduled drug tests while the law was enforced, 108 people, or 2.6 percent, failed, most often testing positive for marijuana. About 40 people scheduled tests but canceled them, according to the Department of Children and Families, which oversees Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, known as the TANF program.

The numbers, confirming previous estimates, show that taxpayers spent $118,140 to reimburse people for drug test costs, at an average of $35 per screening.

The stateís net loss?$45,780.

"Thatís not counting attorneys and court fees and the thousands of hours of staff time it took to implement this policy," Newton said.

The law also didnít impact the number of people who applied for benefits.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2758871...
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Big picture, TSF. Look at the big picture. Drug testing used to cost about $55.00 for the five major street drugs. Do the math, Mr. Wizard and again, big picture.
Tipper

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Nov 21, 2013
 
What the hell do you people know about addiction? You know someone personally? Yeah, that's bad, Sure. Try being the loser with the monkey on your back , that's the trick, that's sweet, you can't stop, no matter what, no matter how much you want, you got to have it more than air, you hurt hurt hurt the ones you love, like a fkn werewolf, so what you do? Go beck, do it again! Because anything is better then feeling that guilt, any old kind of numbness will do, just don't let me feel that fkn guilt, I want to get higher and higher and higher until I get so high i never feel anything again, nothing nothing nothing, no more razor blades in my heart, nothing.I just want to bleed forever.
TSF

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#44699
Nov 21, 2013
 
He can be arrested and taken to the rubber room for 10 day evaluation just for what he has just written on the internet ..
Check out CGS 122 -282 & NCGS 122C-3-(11)B Special Emergency Procedures for Violent Individuals
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<quoted text> Taxpayer they will throw you in jail if you repeat what you just posted.
Taxpayer

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Nov 21, 2013
 
While millions of Americans spend half their lives or more toiling for a paycheck, millions more are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the government to issue them their next monthly distribution.
Youíd think that emergency funds or government subsidization through programs like welfare would be used to help recipients purchase the things that they need to get by and help them get back on their feet so that they can find meaningful labor and contribute to society, but in a system without cross-checks and billions being dished out year-after-year, many have learned that they donít need to work.
And why should they? We are doing the work for them in the form of taxpayer subsidies that are forcibly taken from our earnings on a weekly basis.
In Socialist controlled America, those who work get punished. Those who donít, get a free ride, courtesy of a nationwide communist policy of spreading the wealth around to those who get to sit home all day. Visit with friends, party and do drugs. Case in point: A welfare recipient in Austin recently contacted a morning radio show and explained that she gets a lot of money from the program and this is what She does.
Allen

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Nov 21, 2013
 
Taxpayer wrote:
As unprecedented and unbelievable as it sounds, right now in the senate, Harry Reid is attempting to invoke the "Nuclear option" and strip away the ability for opposition to filibuster. Reid might as well burn the original copy of the constitution on the senate floor and roast marshmallows in the flames. This is a blatant attempt to prevent the very processes that keep tyranny at bay.
I am not a proponent of violence, but this (in my opinion) calls for an armed insurrection to re-capture our nation's capital and physically arrest Reid and other democrats who are destroying our country.
Okay, so organize an armed march on Washington. How far do you think you will get with that? Just how many lines have you huffed tonight anyway? Dude Concord and Lexington is over. Just like paper, pencils, and chalkboards, the days of "Little House on the Praire" are over.
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Nov 21, 2013
 
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<quoted text> Taxpayer they will throw you in jail if you repeat what you just posted.
Who the Communist, fascist or Socialist Who?
Allen

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Nov 21, 2013
 
Tipper wrote:
What the hell do you people know about addiction? You know someone personally? Yeah, that's bad, Sure. Try being the loser with the monkey on your back , that's the trick, that's sweet, you can't stop, no matter what, no matter how much you want, you got to have it more than air, you hurt hurt hurt the ones you love, like a fkn werewolf, so what you do? Go beck, do it again! Because anything is better then feeling that guilt, any old kind of numbness will do, just don't let me feel that fkn guilt, I want to get higher and higher and higher until I get so high i never feel anything again, nothing nothing nothing, no more razor blades in my heart, nothing.I just want to bleed forever.
That's exactly where my ex-husband was. Part of me blames his doctors. Because he drew a disability check why weren't they testing him for other drugs, why didn't they see the signs. He just fell threw the cracks and I refused to fall with him. That has been many years ago. It took many years of me living alone and alot of soul searching to be able to move on but I did it. The first step in getting help is to just admit you need it, he never did and he died, age 41. Another statisic.
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Okay, so organize an armed march on Washington. How far do you think you will get with that? Just how many lines have you huffed tonight anyway? Dude Concord and Lexington is over. Just like paper, pencils, and chalkboards, the days of "Little House on the Praire" are over.
Put a little mustache on Reid and he would look like Hitler. It would not surprise me if the did the vote with a Nazi salute.
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Nov 21, 2013
 
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Sorry to hear. That is a really sad story. My sympathy to you and the families.
Thanks SOF, as the old saying goes, "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." This has proven to be true in my case anyway:)
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Nov 21, 2013
 
Allen wrote:
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Okay, so organize an armed march on Washington. How far do you think you will get with that? Just how many lines have you huffed tonight anyway? Dude Concord and Lexington is over. Just like paper, pencils, and chalkboards, the days of "Little House on the Praire" are over.
So Liberty and Freedom are over like Concord and Lexington. And all of us who put our lives on the line to defend it wasted our time. Is that what your are saying?

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