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TSF

Cameron, NC

#41181 Jul 21, 2013
Because of the certain to come counterclaims from the defendant. If they do not defend them, they are defaulted, which means they lose and have to pay if they lose. Its a neat trick attorneys use to lock everyone into the case. The complainant almost always also becomes a defendant in reverse.
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Why would the Martins have to pay for a legal defense?

Since: Dec 11

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#41182 Jul 21, 2013
I saw Trayvon's dad on TV asking for everyone to stop the protesting and the violence so they could bury their son in peace and move on with their lives. It didn't sound as if they were even pushing for a civil trial! Sounds to me it's the media and the ambulance chasing attorneys that are pushing the issue. 1) the media, especially MSNBC & CNN, needs the ratings and 2) the attorneys are looking for a paycheck! George was found innocent due to FL's stand your ground law, he admitted to killing him, but out of self defense. Proving a civil case based on racism will be nearly impossible due to the lack of evidence. OJ wasn't acquitted due to CA's stand your ground law and their was no self defense argument. The comparison of the cases is apples and oranges.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41183 Jul 22, 2013
NC teachers will get their arrow up the patootie this week compliments of the republikan state legislature ,when it votes to end teacher tenure. It really is just symbolic of republican contempt for teachers because there are already 25 reasons NC teachers can be fired, including incompetence, immorality , etc.. The only thing tenure requires is that individuals be given a reason for their dismissal. Now they can just say "your are fired" and give no reason. Hopefully all teachers will be able to remember this at the next election.

Since: May 09

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#41184 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
NC teachers will get their arrow up the patootie this week compliments of the republikan state legislature ,when it votes to end teacher tenure. It really is just symbolic of republican contempt for teachers because there are already 25 reasons NC teachers can be fired, including incompetence, immorality , etc.. The only thing tenure requires is that individuals be given a reason for their dismissal. Now they can just say "your are fired" and give no reason. Hopefully all teachers will be able to remember this at the next election.
The general public does not support teacher tenure because it's been used to allow incompetent teachers to continue to teach. Please explain why you think it's necessary.
waco1909

Lenoir, NC

#41185 Jul 22, 2013
Tenure promotes mediocrity.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41186 Jul 22, 2013
If cases of incompetent teachers exist, it isn't because of tenure protections. If you will check with present NC DOE written policy, you will see incompetence as one of the long list of reasons a teacher can be fired. So if an incompetent teacher is allowed to continue employment, it would be because of an incompetent or negligent administrator. On the other hand, firing teachers for arbitrary and capricious reasons has been a serious past problem. As with most regulations , a serious problem is the reason tenure was established in the first place. The only basic policy difference between tenured teachers and non tenured teachers is that you have to state the reason for the dismissal if the tenured teacher is fired. In the non tenured case, the individual doesn't even have the right to ask why they were dismissed. Usually, its just "Your contract has not been renewed. Goodbye ." Not liking their shoes, failing to inflate the grades for a school board member's child or failing to drop their drawers on request , any reason, doesn't matter, they cannot even ask.
If you cannot understand the reasons for establishment of tenure in the first place, further explanations to you would be futile.
Robert Stowe wrote:
<quoted text>The general public does not support teacher tenure because it's been used to allow incompetent teachers to continue to teach. Please explain why you think it's necessary.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41187 Jul 22, 2013
So firing experienced, competent teachers so you can hire your niece or cousin doesn't promote incompetence? Firing the principal because your campaign manager's wife needs a job promotes excellence? Nepotism ( one of the main reasons tenure was established in the first place) has been a serious past problem and still exists but much more subtly since tenure was established. So when the republikans are voted out in the next election, the newly elected democrats fire all the republican teachers, principals and superintendents. I CAN SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. Why do you think tenure was invented in the first place?
waco1909 wrote:
Tenure promotes mediocrity.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41188 Jul 22, 2013
Section 1900 Dismissal Related to Job Performance Concerns
The first category includes five grounds for dismissal that relate directly to
the manner in which a teacher performs his or her duties. Those five grounds
are
• inadequate performance,3
• neglect of duty,4
• failure to fulfill the statutory duties of a teacher,5
• insubordination,6 and
• failure to comply with the reasonable requirements of the board.7
Inadequate Performance
The Teacher Tenure Act provides that a tenured teacher may be dismissed or
demoted for “inadequate performance.”8
Only three cases involving “inadequate
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41189 Jul 22, 2013
Failure to Fulfill the Statutory Duties of a Teacher
The Teacher Tenure Act provides that a tenured teacher may be dismissed or
demoted for “failure to fulfill the duties and responsibilities imposed upon
teachers by the General Statutes of this State.”31 G.S. 115C-307 sets out the following
duties of teachers:
• to maintain order and discipline,
• to provide for the general well-being of students,
• to provide some medical care to students,
• to teach the students,
• to enter into the superintendent’s plans for professional growth,
• to discourage nonattendance,
• to make required reports, and
• to take care of school buildings.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41190 Jul 22, 2013
416 School Employment Law
Section 1901 Dismissal Related to Conduct or
Character Concerns
The second of the categories of grounds for dismissal includes four grounds
for dismissal that relate to something questionable about the conduct or character
of the employee. Those four grounds are
• immorality,51
• habitual or excessive use of alcohol or nonmedical use of drugs,52
• conviction of a felony or crime involving moral turpitude,53 and
• false application information.54
With respect to all of these grounds, it should be kept clearly in mind
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41191 Jul 22, 2013
So the point is that the public perception of teacher tenure is totally inaccurate and that misconception is being dishonestly used by republican state legislators to further damage public education. The anti education idiots gleefully cheer this move and unwittingly sentence their own children to a lifetime of ignorance and low paid unskilled labor in servitude of what else but REPUBIKANS.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41192 Jul 22, 2013
Damage to public education is a subtle attempt to eliminate competition, for the offspring of the wealthy. EX: A former friend was the son of a nationally known furniture manufacturer. He was a good person but was slow, very slow. As a result of the protection of his wealthy family and elimination of competition for the position , he became the CEO of the company which as a result is now out of business.
He has enough money to take care of himself for life, but what about subsequent generations? What about all the folks who lost their jobs? What about the tax base of the county in which this former business existed? There was also a reason public education was established in the first place. It benefits the individual, his community, his state, county and nation.
waco1909

Lenoir, NC

#41193 Jul 22, 2013
Masturbation promotes ejaculation.
waco1909

Lenoir, NC

#41194 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
So the point is that the public perception of teacher tenure is totally inaccurate and that misconception is being dishonestly used by republican state legislators to further damage public education. The anti education idiots gleefully cheer this move and unwittingly sentence their own children to a lifetime of ignorance and low paid unskilled labor in servitude of what else but REPUBIKANS.
My blow up doll promotes masturbation.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#41195 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
If cases of incompetent teachers exist, it isn't because of tenure protections. If you will check with present NC DOE written policy, you will see incompetence as one of the long list of reasons a teacher can be fired. So if an incompetent teacher is allowed to continue employment, it would be because of an incompetent or negligent administrator. On the other hand, firing teachers for arbitrary and capricious reasons has been a serious past problem. As with most regulations , a serious problem is the reason tenure was established in the first place. The only basic policy difference between tenured teachers and non tenured teachers is that you have to state the reason for the dismissal if the tenured teacher is fired. In the non tenured case, the individual doesn't even have the right to ask why they were dismissed. Usually, its just "Your contract has not been renewed. Goodbye ." Not liking their shoes, failing to inflate the grades for a school board member's child or failing to drop their drawers on request , any reason, doesn't matter, they cannot even ask.
If you cannot understand the reasons for establishment of tenure in the first place, further explanations to you would be futile.
<quoted text>
Didn't think you could explain your position.
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#41196 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
Damage to public education is a subtle attempt to eliminate competition, for the offspring of the wealthy. EX: A former friend was the son of a nationally known furniture manufacturer. He was a good person but was slow, very slow. As a result of the protection of his wealthy family and elimination of competition for the position , he became the CEO of the company which as a result is now out of business.
He has enough money to take care of himself for life, but what about subsequent generations? What about all the folks who lost their jobs? What about the tax base of the county in which this former business existed? There was also a reason public education was established in the first place. It benefits the individual, his community, his state, county and nation.
http://datadrivendetroit.org/w eb_ftp/Project_Docs/DETKidsDrf t_FINAL.pdf Some stats on the demise of Detroit and it's education system. Unbelievable.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41197 Jul 22, 2013
I never imagined that reason could take hold on a republican, but I keep trying. You never know when an epiphany might hit one of them. So we have to end teacher tenure because it has never been a problem? Kind of like we have to spend millions on voter ID because that also has never been a problem. Or like NC needs an official NC religion because state religion religion is prohibited by the US constitution. Republikan stupidity would be funny if it were not so pathetic.

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#41198 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
I never imagined that reason could take hold on a republican, but I keep trying. You never know when an epiphany might hit one of them. So we have to end teacher tenure because it has never been a problem? Kind of like we have to spend millions on voter ID because that also has never been a problem. Or like NC needs an official NC religion because state religion religion is prohibited by the US constitution. Republikan stupidity would be funny if it were not so pathetic.
TSF most people in most jobs don't have tenure.Why do you think teachers can't teach without tenure?

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#41199 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
NC teachers will get their arrow up the patootie this week compliments of the republikan state legislature ,when it votes to end teacher tenure. It really is just symbolic of republican contempt for teachers because there are already 25 reasons NC teachers can be fired, including incompetence, immorality , etc.. The only thing tenure requires is that individuals be given a reason for their dismissal. Now they can just say "your are fired" and give no reason. Hopefully all teachers will be able to remember this at the next election.
If it were only that simple to fire a teacher. Most firings take several months to years and a lot of money thanks to the union. I'd rather see them get rid of ALL govt employee unions and let them keep their tenure, that way we COULD simply say "you are fired".
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41200 Jul 22, 2013
The problem with your statement with regards to NC is that NC doesn't have a teacher's union. Collective bargaining was outlawed for teachers years ago.
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>If it were only that simple to fire a teacher. Most firings take several months to years and a lot of money thanks to the union. I'd rather see them get rid of ALL govt employee unions and let them keep their tenure, that way we COULD simply say "you are fired".

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