Who do you support for U.S. Senate in North Carolina in 2010?

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Jun 25, 2013
 
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WASHINGTON -- The Internal Revenue Service targeted progressive groups applying for tax-exempt status in addition to conservative ones, according to IRS documents released by congressional Democrats on Monday.

The documents and an internal IRS report being sent to congressional committees reveal that the tax agency used terms that included "progressive" and "occupy" to flag progressive organizations for extra scrutiny before the 2012 elections.

The revelations greatly complicate the political scandal that has engulfed the IRS over the past few weeks. An inspector general report in mid-May revealed the tax agency had screened conservative groups with words like "tea party" in their name when considering applications for tax-exempt status. Lawmakers from both parties quickly denounced the creation of such "Be On The Lookout," or BOLO, lists. Republicans in particular argued the finding proved the IRS was trying to tip the scales of the election during the heat of the campaign.

Now it appears the agency's BOLOs were applied to organizations across the ideological spectrum. The IRS also screened groups advocating on behalf of Israeli settlements who were applying for non-profit 501(c)(4) status -- a criterion that may on its own prove politically toxic.

A request for comment from the IRS was not immediately returned. The news of the progressive BOLO was first reported by The Associated Press.

John Shafer, manager of the tax-exempt division in the IRS Cincinnati office had told congressional investigators that BOLOs were applied not for purposes of punishing conservative groups, but to ensure that similar organizations were being categorized and screened by the same group of IRS officials. The concern, he said, was that two different tea party groups would get two different decisions on non-profit status. So, the Cincinnati office developed filters to make sure that everything was categorized as cleanly as possible, he said.

Democratic staffers on the House Ways and Means Committee released a copy of a BOLO list Monday that showed the word
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Jun 25, 2013
 
All kidding aside TSF your hatred of Republicans is clouding your judgement. It's never about reality with people who have an axe to grind, its about perception.
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Jun 25, 2013
 
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The Vast Anti-Conservative IRS Conspiracy Targeted Liberal Groups, Too
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The narrative of an anti-right-wing conspiracy behind the IRS's heightened scrutiny of groups with words such as "Tea Party" and "patriots" in their names is so attractive that many on the right embraced it even when the evidence didn't really back it up. Some, such as Tea Party protesters and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan, have continued to do so. But the IRS's latest reveal on Monday, that its "be on the lookout" words included such left-wing hallmarks as "progressive," "blue," and "occupy," undercuts that narrative. In fact, it's led to new questions from Democrats over why the audit that broke the scandal in the first place didn't mention any BOLO words except the right-wing ones.

The agency's release Monday of documents showing the wider scope of its BOLO lists came with an assurance from acting commissioner Daniel Werfel that it would stop using those lists to flag groups for review. The BOLO words had been in use as recently as this month, the New York Times reported. The instructions in the lists illustrate how the agency was using some of the various key words as shortcuts to identify 501(c)(4) groups. The organizations' tax-exempt status depends on them operating primarily as social welfare groups, with politicking making up no more than 40 percent of their activity.

The word "progressive," for example, is a "common thread" through politically left groups, one list reads. "Activities appear to lean toward a new political party. Activities are partisan and appear as anti-Republican. You see references to 'blue' as being 'progressive.' " The words "open source software" suggest a for-profit business, the list says, and "occupied territory advocacy" indicates propaganda and a "one-sided point of view
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Late yesterday, Acting IRS Commissioner Danny Werful released a report that seemed to indicate that the “Be On The Lookout” lists utilized by IRS employees in charge of examining 501(c)(4) applications included not only words that tended to ensnare conservative organizations, but also those that would likely ensnare liberal/”progressive” organizations:

WASHINGTON — The instructions that Internal Revenue Service officials used to look for applicants seeking tax-exempt status with “Tea Party” and “Patriots” in their titles also included groups whose names included the words “Progressive” and “Occupy,” according to I.R.S. documents released Monday.

The documents appeared to back up contentions by I.R.S. officials and some Democrats that the agency did not intend to single out conservative groups for special scrutiny. Instead, the documents say, officials were trying to use “key word” shortcuts to find overtly political organizations — both liberal and conservative — that were after tax favors by saying they were social welfare organizations.

But the practice appeared to go much farther than that. One such “be on the lookout” list included medical marijuana groups, organizations that were promoting President Obama’s health care law, and applications that dealt “with disputed territories in the Middle East.”

Taken together, the documents seem to change the terms of a scandal that exploded over accusations that the I.R.S. had tried to stifle a nascent conservative political movement. Instead, the dispute now revolves around questionable sorting tactics used by I.R.S. application screeners.

The acting I.R.S. commissioner, Daniel I. Werfel, formally ordered an end to all such “lookout” lists on Monday when he issued an assessment of the controversy that has led to harsh criticism of the nation’s tax collector.

Such lists were in use as recently as this month, when Mr. Werfel took over the agency, far longer than initially thought. I.R.S. officials said Monday that the more recent lists did not include the terms aimed at conservative groups.

Mr. Werfel on Monday also created an expedited process for groups to attain the tax-exempt status known as 501(c)(4). To qualify, groups must agree that no more than 40 percent of their expenditures and time can be spent on campaigns for candidates seeking public office. At least 60 percent of the groups’ time and expenses must be dedicated to social welfare activities.

The new I.R.S. documents raise questions about how the controversy has been portrayed. They confirm that the applications of “various local organizations in the Tea Party movement” were given special scrutiny. But so were
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Jun 25, 2013
 
A little levity helps me tolerate the constant negative news . I am really ok with the few republicans who are honest . Its the same for the few remaining honest democrats. My hostility is directed at the dishonest republikans because I see little push back against their blatant government for sale and constant impediments to a functioning governance. As I have stated before, my attacks on the corruption of republikans does not constitute an endorsement of democrat corruption. I know that is hard for partisans to understand. I really see no hope for either party. I pray for the emergence of a new political party with the intelligence and will to deal with our considerable problems.
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All kidding aside TSF your hatred of Republicans is clouding your judgement. It's never about reality with people who have an axe to grind, its about perception.
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Late yesterday, Acting IRS Commissioner Danny Werful released a report that seemed to indicate that the “Be On The Lookout” lists utilized by IRS employees in charge of examining 501(c)(4) applications included not only words that tended to ensnare conservative organizations, but also those that would likely ensnare liberal/”progressive” organizations:
WASHINGTON — The instructions that Internal Revenue Service officials used to look for applicants seeking tax-exempt status with “Tea Party” and “Patriots” in their titles also included groups whose names included the words “Progressive” and “Occupy,” according to I.R.S. documents released Monday.
The documents appeared to back up contentions by I.R.S. officials and some Democrats that the agency did not intend to single out conservative groups for special scrutiny. Instead, the documents say, officials were trying to use “key word” shortcuts to find overtly political organizations — both liberal and conservative — that were after tax favors by saying they were social welfare organizations.
But the practice appeared to go much farther than that. One such “be on the lookout” list included medical marijuana groups, organizations that were promoting President Obama’s health care law, and applications that dealt “with disputed territories in the Middle East.”
Taken together, the documents seem to change the terms of a scandal that exploded over accusations that the I.R.S. had tried to stifle a nascent conservative political movement. Instead, the dispute now revolves around questionable sorting tactics used by I.R.S. application screeners.
The acting I.R.S. commissioner, Daniel I. Werfel, formally ordered an end to all such “lookout” lists on Monday when he issued an assessment of the controversy that has led to harsh criticism of the nation’s tax collector.
Such lists were in use as recently as this month, when Mr. Werfel took over the agency, far longer than initially thought. I.R.S. officials said Monday that the more recent lists did not include the terms aimed at conservative groups.
Mr. Werfel on Monday also created an expedited process for groups to attain the tax-exempt status known as 501(c)(4). To qualify, groups must agree that no more than 40 percent of their expenditures and time can be spent on campaigns for candidates seeking public office. At least 60 percent of the groups’ time and expenses must be dedicated to social welfare activities.
The new I.R.S. documents raise questions about how the controversy has been portrayed. They confirm that the applications of “various local organizations in the Tea Party movement” were given special scrutiny. But so were
Still can't think for yourself? NONE OF THE LEFT WING GROUPS HAD THEIR APPROVALS HELD UP OR DENIED!!! CAN'T YOU READ???
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Jun 25, 2013
 
That's the problem I suppose. People only see and hear what they want to see and hear.
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Jun 25, 2013
 
TSF your problem? You care. A lot of people in America just don't care at all man. You, me and some few others in our country still care, and maybe it makes us a little crazy. I still can't get over the look on Putin's face while he sat on that stage with Obama. I wonder at his obvious contempt for our President. Obama was obviously aware of Putin's feelings, he was obviously uncomfortable being there with the Russian.
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Jun 25, 2013
 
TSF wrote:
Lets see here. My car burns gasoline, my truck burns diesel. There is a high tax on every gallon of fuel that pays for NC highway construction. So exactly how do you think I am escaping paying my share for road use. I think John Edwards is a closet republican who registered as a democrat. What you don't seem to understand is that party affiliation does in no way excuse corruption
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As far as your last sentence, think that is the point"just sayin" has been trying to make. As far as your fuel taxes, the State of North Carolina raided those funds for other projects. As to who was responsible for that, my bet would be both parties.
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Voting rights act struck down by the courts. Now the feds cannot interfere in state elections. This will give republikans a better chance to get those pesky minorities politicians out of office and back into chopping cotton .
Republicans, Republicans same old HS.
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TSF wrote:
Lets see here. My car burns gasoline, my truck burns diesel. There is a high tax on every gallon of fuel that pays for NC highway construction. So exactly how do you think I am escaping paying my share for road use. I think John Edwards is a closet republican who registered as a democrat. What you don't seem to understand is that party affiliation does in no way excuse corruption
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Damn, I think the ole' boy finally gets it, POLITICIANS are corrupt. Hence my lack of "party affiliation".
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A little levity helps me tolerate the constant negative news . I am really ok with the few republicans who are honest . Its the same for the few remaining honest democrats. My hostility is directed at the dishonest republikans because I see little push back against their blatant government for sale and constant impediments to a functioning governance. As I have stated before, my attacks on the corruption of republikans does not constitute an endorsement of democrat corruption. I know that is hard for partisans to understand. I really see no hope for either party. I pray for the emergence of a new political party with the intelligence and will to deal with our considerable problems.
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No "dishonest" Democrats to share your ire? How convenient. You would carry more weight if you said Edwards was just a crappy Democrat. NOOO, you have to try an say he's a "closet Republican". Both sides are guilty and you know it.
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Whatever happened to Randolph Scott??
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Whatever happened to Randolph Scott??
Why do you ask?
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You have no way of knowing if your statement is true or not. As I mentioned earlier, a non profit organization of which I am an officer, had our tax exempt status cancelled by the IRS for seemingly frivolous reasons. We definitely are not a conservative organization. Only after submitting 42 pages of information was the tax exempt status restored. It was burdensome and irritating but I did not suspect a conservative conspiracy . Non profit corporations are where much mischief and fraud is hidden. The IRS is charged with the duty of finding that. That is their job.
The conspiracy screaming ninnies need to get a grip.
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<quoted text> Still can't think for yourself? NONE OF THE LEFT WING GROUPS HAD THEIR APPROVALS HELD UP OR DENIED!!! CAN'T YOU READ???
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I think Edwards is just a crappy person, period. But like Mark Sanford and Jim Baker, he has expressed remorse. That makes it ok. Ha, just joking. Anyway, he is human, and I would hate to be publically pilloried for mistakes that I have made I thought I said I did not endorse dishonest democrats.
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<quoted text>No "dishonest" Democrats to share your ire? How convenient. You would carry more weight if you said Edwards was just a crappy Democrat. NOOO, you have to try an say he's a "closet Republican". Both sides are guilty and you know it.
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Yes most politicians are corrupt. That is why our government has become dysfunctional. That is why our finances are a wreck. We and the politicians pretend that they will serve , but we all know they will only feather their own nests.
I am registered unaffiliated because I have basic philosophical differences with both parties. I find it impossible to justify labeling myself with the limited stereotypes of "democrat" , "republican" , conservative or liberal. The neocons (republikans) think I am a liberal because I disagree with them on certain points and will not ignore corruption. The la de da s (democrats) think I am a gun toting tea party because I cannot buy into unrealistic perspectives like gun control, abortion etc. Both sides claim that if you are not with us, you are against us. I am for the USA. To hell with parties.
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<quoted text>Damn, I think the ole' boy finally gets it, POLITICIANS are corrupt. Hence my lack of "party affiliation".
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You have no way of knowing if your statement is true or not. As I mentioned earlier, a non profit organization of which I am an officer, had our tax exempt status cancelled by the IRS for seemingly frivolous reasons. We definitely are not a conservative organization. Only after submitting 42 pages of information was the tax exempt status restored. It was burdensome and irritating but I did not suspect a conservative conspiracy . Non profit corporations are where much mischief and fraud is hidden. The IRS is charged with the duty of finding that. That is their job.
The conspiracy screaming ninnies need to get a grip.
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v Organizations that the administration disapproved of were denied and held up. Trust me on this, would be all over the news if lefty orgs had been denied and held up like conservative ones were. I say again, the number of conservative groups that were subjected to this far exceeded the number of left wing groups. Looks like conspiracy to me, and like I said, I voted for the guy.
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TSF the best thing we as Americans can do is to hold both parties responsible for their actions, EVEN IF WE ARE MEMBERS OF THAT PARTY!! The way things are going now, with the extreme factionalism currently in vogue, a President guilty of the crimes that Nixon engaged in, simply would not be subjected to impeachment. Party first, country last.

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Yes most politicians are corrupt. That is why our government has become dysfunctional. That is why our finances are a wreck. We and the politicians pretend that they will serve , but we all know they will only feather their own nests.
I am registered unaffiliated because I have basic philosophical differences with both parties. I find it impossible to justify labeling myself with the limited stereotypes of "democrat" , "republican" , conservative or liberal. The neocons (republikans) think I am a liberal because I disagree with them on certain points and will not ignore corruption. The la de da s (democrats) think I am a gun toting tea party because I cannot buy into unrealistic perspectives like gun control, abortion etc. Both sides claim that if you are not with us, you are against us. I am for the USA. To hell with parties.
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Our government is dysfunctional and our finances are a wreck because the people have discovered that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. Finally, the money runs out and we begin printing it. Our problems are just beginning.

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