Who do you support for U.S. Senate in North Carolina in 2010?

[waco1909]

Arnold-Ziffel wrote:

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But, the same with Allen and Bacon. Both grown women. Each can handle their own.

Allen has said some very nice things about you.You saying you don't feel the urge to support Allen, since you and Bacon aren't fans of each other? Mike was right about people signing in on Topix.i'm going to leave Allen out of my posts.But something isn't right.

[Pro-American]

Makin bacon wrote:

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Pro, I don't pay attention to what Obama says at all and I sure didn't waste my time watching his inauguration. This isn't his first rodeo and to be honest, I didn't watch the first one either. I'm not an inauguration watching person in general. I did hear the dust up about Beyonce's national anthem and Michelle Obama's new hair cut and I'm thinking if that's the two things that stood out in the inauguration, this country is screwed. So what's new...LOL!!!!

No offense but that's the problem with most Americans, they don't "listen" to what he "says". For example, he opened his speech by quoting the Declaration of Independence: "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Declaration of Independence sets forth a vision of limited government designed to avoid tyranny. He then began to render the document meaningless. As he said, "when times change, so must we." More importantly, when times change, so must our concept of liberty. The Ruler then said, "our generation's task is to make these words, these rights, these values of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness real for every American." But what does he mean? He said they have no meaning: "Being true to our founding ... does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way or follow the same precise path to happiness. Progress does not compel us to settle centuries-long debates about the role of government for all time, but it does require us to act in our time." In other words, liberty has no meaning! It is a lie to state that our founders did not have a singular definition of liberty, they did, it's expressed in the Declaration itself. Liberty, as defined in the Declaration, is freedom from government "abuses and usurpations." It is not government guarantees of healthcare, pensions and food stamps. The Constitution was ratified in order to preserve the founders' vision of liberty and to prevent a "good government" from usurping power in order to achieve the social engineering the Commucrats adore!

[TSF]

I didn't hear the entire speech. The news clips did air parts of that speech that irritate me. But because Obama is president of the USA, he deserves the respect of his office. He was elected to the office by majority of voters and a large majority of the electoral votes. Because that is how democracy works, I accept that and hope our congress can get down to actually addressing our very large and very real financial problems. I think all agree that cuts have to be made. The main problem is that republikans clamor about cuts but will not identify specific programs to be cut. I think all agree that our treasury needs more revenue. Another big problem is that democrats clamor about increasing taxes but will not agree to increase taxes on everyone. My hope is that both parties can focus on winning for the USA rather than winning for their party.

Pro-American wrote:

I find it interesting that none of the Commucrats on here have said anything about the Ruler's Innaguration speech. I have a question, who wrote that speech...Karl Marx? I can understand the silence, hell, even the morning and late night talk shows on the state run media have devoted more time to Beyonce's lip singing than they have his speech! Is it because even they were embarrassed by his words or maybe it's because he let the cat out of the bag and they're not wanting to draw any more attention to their agenda?
Four things I learned from his speech;
1) Govt is Liberty
2) Freedom is Tyranny
3) Individualism is Collectivism
4) The Constitution is meaningless unless it is being used as a club against those who actually value the founding ideology for which it stands.

[Silvercoastcorks]

Pro-American wrote:

I find it interesting that none of the Commucrats on here have said anything about the Ruler's Innaguration speech. I have a question, who wrote that speech...Karl Marx? I can understand the silence, hell, even the morning and late night talk shows on the state run media have devoted more time to Beyonce's lip singing than they have his speech! Is it because even they were embarrassed by his words or maybe it's because he let the cat out of the bag and they're not wanting to draw any more attention to their agenda?
Four things I learned from his speech;
1) Govt is Liberty
2) Freedom is Tyranny
3) Individualism is Collectivism
4) The Constitution is meaningless unless it is being used as a club against those who actually value the founding ideology for which it stands.

Here here...

[Silvercoastcorks]

Pro-American wrote:

<quoted text>No offense but that's the problem with most Americans, they don't "listen" to what he "says". For example, he opened his speech by quoting the Declaration of Independence: "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Declaration of Independence sets forth a vision of limited government designed to avoid tyranny. He then began to render the document meaningless. As he said, "when times change, so must we." More importantly, when times change, so must our concept of liberty. The Ruler then said, "our generation's task is to make these words, these rights, these values of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness real for every American." But what does he mean? He said they have no meaning: "Being true to our founding ... does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way or follow the same precise path to happiness. Progress does not compel us to settle centuries-long debates about the role of government for all time, but it does require us to act in our time." In other words, liberty has no meaning! It is a lie to state that our founders did not have a singular definition of liberty, they did, it's expressed in the Declaration itself. Liberty, as defined in the Declaration, is freedom from government "abuses and usurpations." It is not government guarantees of healthcare, pensions and food stamps. The Constitution was ratified in order to preserve the founders' vision of liberty and to prevent a "good government" from usurping power in order to achieve the social engineering the Commucrats adore!

Pro, again, here here. I didn't watch because I already know that anyone who is a democrat and left leaning independents are threats to America and are turning our once great nation into the next communist regime, Amerika. They(democrats)keep chanting democracy, democracy, democracy when we are clearly a Republic. I have yet to see Miley, AZ, TSF or Allen voluntarily pay more than what they owe in taxes or move someone who is "economically challenged" into their house and provide. Instead they take(through taxes) from those who can manage their financial well being, claiming that their actions are reasonable and earnest.

Glad my wife and I are leaving, voluntarily.

[Makin bacon]

Pro-American wrote:

<quoted text>No offense but that's the problem with most Americans, they don't "listen" to what he "says". For example, he opened his speech by quoting the Declaration of Independence: "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Declaration of Independence sets forth a vision of limited government designed to avoid tyranny. He then began to render the document meaningless. As he said, "when times change, so must we." More importantly, when times change, so must our concept of liberty. The Ruler then said, "our generation's task is to make these words, these rights, these values of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness real for every American." But what does he mean? He said they have no meaning: "Being true to our founding ... does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way or follow the same precise path to happiness. Progress does not compel us to settle centuries-long debates about the role of government for all time, but it does require us to act in our time." In other words, liberty has no meaning! It is a lie to state that our founders did not have a singular definition of liberty, they did, it's expressed in the Declaration itself. Liberty, as defined in the Declaration, is freedom from government "abuses and usurpations." It is not government guarantees of healthcare, pensions and food stamps. The Constitution was ratified in order to preserve the founders' vision of liberty and to prevent a "good government" from usurping power in order to achieve the social engineering the Commucrats adore!

On offense taken Pro. You said it all in this sentence: "It is a lie to state that our founders did not have a singular definition of liberty, they did, it's expressed in the Declaration itself." As I said in an earlier post, if I want to hear lies, I'll go to "The Liar's Club" up the road from my house. I don't believe much Obama says or for that matter what any politician says. He along with the rest of the yahoos in Washington have made a mockery of our Constitution and ALL are self-serving. Obama's "vision" for our country shouldn't shock you; however, it should give pause for some serious thought about him and his ideologies.

[Makin bacon]

again, "No offense taken...

[Silvercoastcorks]

Makin bacon wrote:

<quoted text>On offense taken Pro. You said it all in this sentence: "It is a lie to state that our founders did not have a singular definition of liberty, they did, it's expressed in the Declaration itself." As I said in an earlier post, if I want to hear lies, I'll go to "The Liar's Club" up the road from my house. I don't believe much Obama says or for that matter what any politician says. He along with the rest of the yahoos in Washington have made a mockery of our Constitution and ALL are self-serving. Obama's "vision" for our country shouldn't shock you; however, it should give pause for some serious thought about him and his ideologies.

Here here bacon.

[waco1909]

Pro I didn't watch the speech.THE gun issue, and how the media is portraying gun owners, is giving me pause.Listening to the New York state politicians is making me sick.Sending F-16's to Egypt is also insane.Whose idea was that? I don't know, but its crazy.

[waco1909]

Maybe we can send some F-15's and a couple of aircraft carriers to Russia.

[Mike Duquette]

Pro-American wrote:

<quoted text>Re-distribution, distribution....either way it's straight from the communist manifesto. Typical Commucrat tactics, resort to personal attacks when all else fails.

Thanks for the biased and paranoid opinion of the right wing.

Please learn to tell the truth when you wish to make a point. Words matter.

[waco1909]

Article IV of the constitution guarantees every state a republican form of government.

[Allen]

emlu wrote:

<quoted text>Not for nothin' Allen, one could say just like a Democrat to mislead people on purpose. Why would you do that? You are correct, Mike and AZ don't mislead anybody, you clearly are not in their class. No matter what, Bacon, AZ , Silver, Mike, TSF and certainly waco NEVER mislead on purpose. They say what they mean and mean what they say. That makes a level playing field.

If everyone always said what the meant and meant what they said, then there would never be any such thing as an apology. Correct? I know who I am and what I stand for. When I put the issues to the far right, the issues being: immagration, welfare, population control, crime control, and how to create jobs in this country, the playing field was leveled. It also brought out other issues such as civil rights, womens rights, religious rights. Issues of morality and so forth. Scoring "brownie points" as you say was never my intention. What I did find out was just where everyone fit in on that scale from left to right. Everyone plays the cherry picking game here. Just as Silver did when he dragged that resume out of Arnold.

[waco1909]

"Our concept of liberty must change"??

[Makin bacon]

waco1909 wrote:

"Our concept of liberty must change"??

As I said earlier Waco, pause and give serious thought to the ideologies of this present administration.

[Pro-American]

Mike Duquette wrote:

<quoted text>Thanks for the biased and paranoid opinion of the right wing.
Please learn to tell the truth when you wish to make a point. Words matter.

Typical liberal response through personal attacks. If you're going to call someone a liar you could at least point out the lie.

[Mike Duquette]

Makin bacon wrote:

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Your imagination still don't make you black jack. You need to reign in that imagination or seek professional help. You're not black anymore than you're a woman. Deal with it, or get some help, SOON!!!

Clearly you do not understand the concept of putting oneself in others shoes. I see this as a trend of the right wing.

[Mike Duquette]

Pro-American wrote:

<quoted text>Again, you claimed that the liberal agenda didn't exists in govt schools, I provided proof.
Regardless of the title of "Distribution" or "Re-Distribution", either way it's straight from the communist manifesto/the Liberal agenda....and it's being taught in govt schools!
I don't believe that commies are hiding behind every tree, there just hiding in plain sight within the Democrat party!
My friend, you've been indoctrinated by the agenda, therefor you're you can't see the forest for the trees.

If you think what you showed was proof, then you are just an idiot.

[waco1909]

When the definition of "liberty"becomes fluid, we may have a problem.

[Mike Duquette]

Makin bacon wrote:

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Tell you the truth Mike, I don't give much thought about people of my race that don't believe in Jesus. They believe in God and are still looking for a Messiah and to them, Jesus was a prophet, good man, but they found his birth and lifestyle beneath their idea of Him being their "King." For lack of a better way to put it, they're still looking for their King to be something akin to Prince William and live that lifestyle.
Mike, I don't hold German Christians responsible for the death of the Jews. These people were slaves to Hitler just as the Jews were. They did what he said or they were killed As I told Arnold, and you can call me empathetic, but if I were German and had sympathy for the Jews as many did, I don't think I could have put my family in harm's way. Here's a link that is brief:
http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0215466/the_h...
Mike, you like this walking in others shoes, so get off your walking a mile in the black man's shoes and try walking a mile in other people that suffered IMO more than slaves. If you were German, had a wife and say two little children and were trying to help or hide some Jews, would you watch your wife be raped, then murdered and your children killed and all the while knowing after witnessing this, your were next? Sorry, Mike I am gutless as you called me earlier because my family would come first.
If you gave $20 to save your hide from robbers, I believe you would give up people to save you and your family's lives. I think you'd be as gutless as the German christians, and me that you so eagerly criticize.

You just put the value of a human life in comparison to twenty dollars.