Who do you support for U.S. Senate in North Carolina in 2010?

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Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Innocent till proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of peers, and not public opinion.
Same for you.
Same for me.
So, I guess breaking the law is part of your code of honor?

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The first recorded shipment of slaves was in Charleston in 1619,(just as the link says) and Rolf's letter has no historical basis, but only speculation.
Did we read the same article. Did the article not say the ship docked in Fort Comfort, Jamestown, VA? I've read more than one article that states slavery began in Jamestown VA and some say slavery started there as early as 1607. Do you err on the side of Rolf's letter having no historical basis, but only speculation because you don't agree with it? All you're doing is speculating yourself about his letter, so what makes your speculation right and Rolf's letter wrong?

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<quoted text>Listen boyfriend, my Grandfather was full blooded. So I guess your "history" of black discrimination starts in the mid-nineteenth century. Cherry picker. Where did the slave traders get the slaves? We all know the what the sixties were all about. Point is???? It's HISTORY, the freedom fighters yesterday are the corporate CEO's today.
Mid 17th Century to be exact (1619). Yours in the 16th Century with Manhatten Island. I am not a corportate CEO. I am proud of you and your grandfather's heritage. What is your point about freedom fighters being CEO's?

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Bacon, Was slave trading a Christian endeavor? Can it be justified by any moral value? I will respond to your question when I get an answer from you.
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I have never faulted the rich for being rich. I just want them to pay the same percentage income tax that I have to pay.
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Not nearly as much as I see you faulting rich for being rich.

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Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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It was her choice. If you want to get into my mother's honor and value as a human being, I would suggest that you stay clear of that. Her life and her choices are none of your business. Get it?
Just so I am clear. It was your mothers decision to not move her family and subsequently subject her kids to those mean ole white people?

Your mother was white, right? Having interracial relations and having interracial babies in an era and place where it was frowned upon and subject to ridicule by all?

Not saying she can't have black children or fall head over heals in love with a black man, but perhaps some wisdom should of prevailed.

But of course, ignore common sense with a defiant face and you get what you get. Like not being able to eat with white folk. Like not being able to go to movies like others.

Guess your mom's entitlements, free education and jobs you got at the expense of trying to force everyone to be friends and get to know one another was owed to you.

Screw choice. Some one else will figure it out.

Yeah right.

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So, I guess breaking the law is part of your code of honor?
code of honor?? You support pro choice out of one side your mouth yet support more gun legislation out of the other.

Life of eterenal contradiction is the code of honor of all democrats.
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Do you deny that president Bush had already signed NAFTA along with Carlos Salinas (Mexico) and Mulroney (Canada) before Clinton was elected? Do you deny that NAFTA had been approved by both houses of congress before Clinton signed it?
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<quoted text>Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[3][4] Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."[5]http://en.w ikipedia.org/wiki/North_Americ an_Free_Trade_Agreement
FYI I have posted this before.

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I have never faulted the rich for being rich. I just want them to pay the same percentage income tax that I have to pay.
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They pay a less percentage rate because they have more to tax. But they still pay in more than you or I do.
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The distributive law has absolutely nothing to do with wealth re-distriubution, either directly or indirectly. If you believe that teaching math and wealth redistribution are connected, you are as ignorant and paranoid as pro.
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Actually, your example is a little flawed. The property you are demonstrating is called Commutative Law. It allows you to swap numbers around and get the same answer, i.e. your example.
Distributive law is when you multiply a variable across a polynomial.
3x(x+1+2y)= 3x^2 + 3x + 6xy
While distributive law does not directly teach "redistribution of wealth" it does however teach basic principles of redistibution.
The economic policy of taxing the wealthy "just a little more" is closely aligned with the communist ideology of redistribution of wealth. Nationalization is the redistibution of physical property.
Since we are talking about redistribution, again, here is some more info for review.
"Today, income redistribution occurs in some form in most democratic countries. In a progressive income tax system, a high income earner will pay a higher tax rate than a low income earner. The difference between the Gini index for an income distribution before taxation and the Gini index after taxation is an indicator for the effects of such taxation. Two common types of governmental redistribution of wealth are subsidies and vouchers (such as food stamps). These "transfer payment" programs are funded through general taxation, but disproportionately benefit the poor, who pay fewer or no taxes. While the persons receiving redistributions from such programs may prefer to be directly given cash, these programs may be more palatable to society, as it gives society some measure of control over how the funds are spent."
"Currently in the United States, any means-tested entitlement program can be considered a redistributive effort. This is because the US Government practices a progressive income tax that disproportionately yields public revenues from various earnings brackets. As the wealthy pay more into the system and the poor receive more marginal utility through programs such as TANF, Medicaid, FHA insured loans, and the earned income tax credit (all of which are means-tested), it could be argued that the United States has democratically opted for the redistribution of wealth. Each of these programs provide services or financial aid to the poor."
"The Gini coefficient (also known as the Gini index or Gini ratio) is a measure of statistical dispersion. The Gini coefficient measures the inequality among values of a frequency distribution (for example levels of income). A Gini coefficient of zero expresses perfect equality, where all values are the same (for example, where everyone has an exactly equal income). A Gini coefficient of one (100 on the percentile scale) expresses maximal inequality among values (for example where only one person has all the income). There are some issues in interpreting a Gini coefficient. The same value may result from many different distribution curves. The demographic structure should be taken into account. Countries with an aging population, or with a baby boom, experience an increasing pre-tax Gini coefficient even if real income distribution for working adults remain constant."

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Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
Bacon, Was slave trading a Christian endeavor? Can it be justified by any moral value? I will respond to your question when I get an answer from you.
In the article I posted it said it was. What does that have to do with me and my Christianity? I don't own slaves, never have and don't feel responsible for those that did. They'll answer to God for their deeds and I'll answer for mine. I can't speak to if there was justification back then about any moral value, but we all justify things we do right of wrong or else we wouldn't do them. Arnold, I don't know why you always want people to speak on behalf of people or situations we didn't know or live thru. Can you get out of the past for the love of Pete? Do you want me to start holding you responsible for the New Black Panthers that threatened George Zimmerman with death threats just because they're black and you are? Do you want me to hold you responsible for all the black on black homicides which is the highest murder rate in the country because you're black? Stop asking questions that none of us have nothing to do with. Do you make their behavior personal because you're black and they are? I can tell you, the only person I can control is myself and I don't have the capability to control other people's behavior, nor do I feel responsible for it. If christians had slaves back in the day of however far you want to go back to it was wrong, but I don't feel bad because they had "christian" attached to them. I don't own their behavior, I own mine.

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Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Innocent till proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of peers, and not public opinion.
Same for you.
Same for me.
I love the blindfolded "Lady Justice"!
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Excuse me,but WTF does that have to do with teaching children that numbers add up to the same sum regardless of the order in which they are added? What does it have to do with teaching children how to find mean and median of a given set of numbers..
Let me answer for you. Nothing, other that some stupid assed connection in your ignorant mind about the word distribution. Oh and by the way, teaching students about electric power distribution also has NOTHING to do with re-distribution of wealth, or communism, or socialism or liberalism , etc..
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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"Criticism
Conservative, libertarian and neoliberal arguments against property redistribution consider the term a euphemism for theft or forced labor, and argue that redistribution of legitimately obtained property cannot ever be just. Public choice theory states that redistribution tends to benefit those with political clout to set spending priorities more than those in need, who lack real influence on government.
In the United States, some of the founding fathers and several subsequent leaders expressed opposition to redistribution of wealth.
Samuel Adams stated: "The utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of wealth], and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable as those that vest all property in the Crown.[These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional."
James Madison, author of the Constitution, wrote, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
United States President Grover Cleveland vetoed an expenditure of federal aid explaining,
I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution; and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadily resisted ... The friendliness and charity of our fellow countrymen can always be relied on to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune..... Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood."

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Do you deny that president Bush had already signed NAFTA along with Carlos Salinas (Mexico) and Mulroney (Canada) before Clinton was elected? Do you deny that NAFTA had been approved by both houses of congress before Clinton signed it?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N orth_American_Free_Trade_Agree menthowever, Chrétien subsequently negotiated two supplemental agreements with the new US president. In the US, Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Your point is?????????
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Giving tax breaks to the rich , putting two two wars on the credit card and giving prescription drug benefits to seniors are the main reasons we are in a financial bind today.
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They pay a less percentage rate because they have more to tax. But they still pay in more than you or I do.

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In the article I posted it said it was. What does that have to do with me and my Christianity? I don't own slaves, never have and don't feel responsible for those that did. They'll answer to God for their deeds and I'll answer for mine. I can't speak to if there was justification back then about any moral value, but we all justify things we do right of wrong or else we wouldn't do them. Arnold, I don't know why you always want people to speak on behalf of people or situations we didn't know or live thru. Can you get out of the past for the love of Pete? Do you want me to start holding you responsible for the New Black Panthers that threatened George Zimmerman with death threats just because they're black and you are? Do you want me to hold you responsible for all the black on black homicides which is the highest murder rate in the country because you're black? Stop asking questions that none of us have nothing to do with. Do you make their behavior personal because you're black and they are? I can tell you, the only person I can control is myself and I don't have the capability to control other people's behavior, nor do I feel responsible for it. If christians had slaves back in the day of however far you want to go back to it was wrong, but I don't feel bad because they had "christian" attached to them. I don't own their behavior, I own mine.
So, it is your contention that the past plays not importance to the development of manking. Let me ask you this. Why was the Holocaust Museum constructed in Washington, DC with millions of vistors each year? Why do people do tours of the of the Death Camps in Poland? Why do many Universities offer courses on the Holocaust? Why is the senseless murder of over 6 million Jews not important to remember in today's age? Why do you think we preserve the memory of this autrocity? Tell me your answer.

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Excuse me,but WTF does that have to do with teaching children that numbers add up to the same sum regardless of the order in which they are added? What does it have to do with teaching children how to find mean and median of a given set of numbers..
Let me answer for you. Nothing, other that some stupid assed connection in your ignorant mind about the word distribution. Oh and by the way, teaching students about electric power distribution also has NOTHING to do with re-distribution of wealth, or communism, or socialism or liberalism , etc..
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Silver copied this article out of Karl Rove magazine.

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Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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code of honor?? You support pro choice out of one side your mouth yet support more gun legislation out of the other.
Life of eterenal contradiction is the code of honor of all democrats.
You would support all the babies to be born, but you would abandon them in life and let them go hungry if they needed welfare assistance, and most of them would I am sure.

"Support them being born,
F##k them after they get here."

From "The Republican Creedo."

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Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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So, it is your contention that the past plays not importance to the development of manking. Let me ask you this. Why was the Holocaust Museum constructed in Washington, DC with millions of vistors each year? Why do people do tours of the of the Death Camps in Poland? Why do many Universities offer courses on the Holocaust? Why is the senseless murder of over 6 million Jews not important to remember in today's age? Why do you think we preserve the memory of this autrocity? Tell me your answer.
Arnold, I've visited the Holocaust Museum in D.C. as have millions. While I found it quite disturbing, it was a testament to those that died and the horrible way(s) they died. It is personal to me on many levels, but I don't expect everyone that goes through the museum to personalize it as I do. With that being said, just because Germans killed Jews, I don't go around with a chip on my shoulder toward Germans or people of German decent, otherwise I wouldn't be married. Please understand and I don't know how else to put it, but we must never forget The Holocaust, but we can't be bitter at people that just happen to be from Germany. It's a matter of being able to forgive and I can do that, and I leave the judging to God. You're very quick to judge people guilty by association, I don't. You and your wingman have always acted as though those of us on here that aren't democrats are responsible for everything the republicans do or that we necessarily agree. You're judging us because we have chosen to be republicans, not off who we are. You've all but held me personally responsible for the vote for gay marriage being voted down in N.C. and I didn't even vote. I would have voted yes, marriage is between a man and a woman, but my brother's welfare meant more to me than a vote. You need to stop personalizing everything that doesn't go your way and you definitely need to stop judging people based off a common association. How burdened you must be carrying around the problems of everyone in the world "you feel" have been unjustly treated. Relax Arnold, you're only responsible for your choices and behaviors and let others own theirs'.

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