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#32957 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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Old Slick Willie brought more prosperity to you than any other President of your lifetime.
I didn't say he didn't. He was a better president than Obama will ever be and that's coming from a Republican. Old Slick Willie needed to have kept a tighter reign on his pants, but he had something Obama never has shown, a personality and actually, I think old Slick's far more intelligent than Obama. Don't be fooled, Old Slick doesn't like Obama, he campaigned for him for the party's sake, but even democrats will say there's no love lost on Obama by Clinton. BTW, I'd take Hillary any day over Obama, I think she's more intelligent than he is and far more in tune with the world.

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#32958 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, put away your crystal ball. I have never said I went out to eat as a kid more times than I could count. We weren't afforded the luxury of going out to eat and if we did, it was McDonald's or on s Sunday night after church Tony's Ice Cream, neither a bastion for the rich and famous. My parents spent our money for braces to go on my brother's legs, speech therapy and medications for him. We thought we had hit it big when mom could buy a little bit of hamburger meat and we'd have grilled hamburgers on a cheap old grill and we got BBQ potato chips to eat with our burgers. So Arnold, don't go talking out of your butt about things you don't know. I'd been happy if we had to pick up any kind of food at the front, back or the side of the building. Let me go just a step further, when we did get to go out to eat when I was little it was only because our grandparents took us. We didn't have the nicest of clothes but they were clean, you think I don't know how people looked at us with pity in their eyes or disdain? Arnold, there's more than one way to discriminate against people. Stop the pity party because some of us have walked the same mile in our shoes that you did yours'.
Was it always like this for us, no. My dad and mom worked their butts off and we were able to move up in the world, but it doesn't mean I don't remember who I am and where I came from.
I understand and appreciate your families struggles, but you missed the point. The point is that you could. We couldn't. I asked you if this type of society that discriminated against blacks from service in restaurants was justified? You never answered that.

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#32959 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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I didn't say he didn't. He was a better president than Obama will ever be and that's coming from a Republican. Old Slick Willie needed to have kept a tighter reign on his pants, but he had something Obama never has shown, a personality and actually, I think old Slick's far more intelligent than Obama. Don't be fooled, Old Slick doesn't like Obama, he campaigned for him for the party's sake, but even democrats will say there's no love lost on Obama by Clinton. BTW, I'd take Hillary any day over Obama, I think she's more intelligent than he is and far more in tune with the world.
I have no idea of their personal relationship and neither do you. I heard the speech at the Democratic Convention. No one forced him to deliver his speech with such passion. That's enough for me.
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#32960 Jan 21, 2013
George Bush signed NAFTA and committed the USA to that agreement before Clinton was even elected. Then both houses of congress voted in favor. Clinton had the option of veto, but it would have clearly been over ridden by congress. So because a previous predisent and 540 members of congress approved it, you blame Clinton because he didn't veto? Can you see the dishonesty in that?
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>How,by signing NAFTA.

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#32961 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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I understand and appreciate your families struggles, but you missed the point. The point is that you could. We couldn't. I asked you if this type of society that discriminated against blacks from service in restaurants was justified? You never answered that.
Arnold, a struggle is a struggle. Does it matter why people were discriminated against whether it was because of the clothes they wore, the old beat car they drove up in, or we were the laughing stock because it was apparent we didn't hardly know how to order in a restaurant because we went so little? Probably the only reason we were allowed in restaurants where we lived is because my grandparents were wealthy, otherwise we'd been treated just the same as you, "no tables available". I think discrimination in a restaurant based off color was just as wrong as discrimination because we were poor. Unlike you, I don't carry around the baggage of being poor growing up and how we were treated and you can't get out of the past. Let it go, move on and leave the past in the past. Your race hasn't cornered the market on discrimination because of skin color and you need to get over it.

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#32962 Jan 21, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Schools are desegregated now.Yet consecutive generations of black youth are still enslaved,in gangs and in prisons.REPUBLICAN ideas on school funding reflect an odd paranoia, as though better schools are a bad thing.
Oh baloney maloney Waco. A political party doesn't make a black kid or kid of any color join a gang or go to prison. They go to prison because they break the law and many join gangs because they think it's cool. You can't educate a child that doesn't attend school or is in prison. Sorry brother, parents need to learn better parenting skills and be a parent not a friend. Good school, bad school, what does it matter when teachers aren't allowed to control a classroom full of roughnecks when they do come?

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#32963 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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I have no idea of their personal relationship and neither do you. I heard the speech at the Democratic Convention. No one forced him to deliver his speech with such passion. That's enough for me.
There's plenty more articles like these and as you will notice, it is definitely not a "conservative" bastion.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/rocky-rel...
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#32964 Jan 21, 2013
Pro, Your misintrepretation of "distributive property" (and that of the author of your link)would be funny if it were not so pathetic. Distributive property means that you get the same answer regardless of the sequence of the mathematical operation . For instance: 3 X 2 X 6=36
and by the distributive property 6 X 2 X 3= 36. Teaching children about distributive properties IS NOT TEACHING THEM re-distribution of wealth. This is a perfect example of how uneducated republikans are tricked in to believing the BS that the tax breaks for the rich leaders feed them.
This is basically why republikans hate education. If their followig becomes informed, they are more difficult to brainwash into believing the BS.
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Of course you didn't, you agree with the liberal agenda.
http://www.missourieducationwatchdog.com/2013...
http://teacherexpress.scholastic.com/subject/...

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Since: Jun 12

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#32965 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
<quoted text>Let's look at Silver's (the avowed racist) question about black history month, NAACP, and The United Negro College fund as an example. Here he cries 'discrimination'. Let's look at the history. Black people were enslaved from 1619 to 1865 in the ultimate inhumane conditions one can imagine, illegal for them to be literate and sold their families to other owners at will, breaking up the family unit in the most horrible way. Following 'freedom' from slavery in 1863, they were given another 100 years of segregation and inferior schools in which to learn. This has been the struggle of the black man in America. Jobs were limited due to race and therefore, living conditions were based on poverty and separated by race. And this mindless and heartless soul wants to cry about 'discrimination'. I am not crying. I am telling you the facts. Bacon, I have asked you before. How many times did you go out for dinner in public with your family? Too many times to count. How many times did my brothers and sisters and I. None. Why? Because as a kid, restaurants would not serves "coloreds" and we picked up our food at the back window and took it home. Do you think this was right and justified? Any of you. What do you think? You never project yourselves to see the injustice of this. Only Mike and Allen can see this. The rest of you are totally blind, and will remain that way.
It was right and justified because they didn't want to get to know you or be your friend. The federal government injected its will and tried to force it. You will never get a square peg to fit a triangle hole. You wants interests and desires are completely different than mine, right? Then why the federal law than requires a proportional amount of blacks fill certain jobs or schools? Diversity? Where is your or mikes or Allen's tolerance for people who don't want to get to know you, exchange information with or do business with you?

As I have said before, my prejudice comes from seeing good men passed over for jobs and promotions all because the HR dept was trying to meet affirmative action quotas, instead of hiring the best candidate for the gig.

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#32966 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
<quoted text>I understand and appreciate your families struggles, but you missed the point. The point is that you could. We couldn't. I asked you if this type of society that discriminated against blacks from service in restaurants was justified? You never answered that.
Sure it is justified, that's how things were then.
Take notice how your family didn't move to where blacks were tolerated better than in the south in those days.

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#32967 Jan 21, 2013
TSF wrote:
<quoted text>George Bush signed NAFTA and committed the USA to that agreement before Clinton was even elected. Then both houses of congress voted in favor. Clinton had the option of veto, but it would have clearly been over ridden by congress. So because a previous predisent and 540 members of congress approved it, you blame Clinton because he didn't veto? Can you see the dishonesty in that?
Not nearly as much as I see you faulting rich for being rich.

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#32968 Jan 21, 2013
TSF wrote:
George Bush signed NAFTA and committed the USA to that agreement before Clinton was even elected. Then both houses of congress voted in favor. Clinton had the option of veto, but it would have clearly been over ridden by congress. So because a previous predisent and 540 members of congress approved it, you blame Clinton because he didn't veto? Can you see the dishonesty in that?
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Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[3][4] Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."[5]http://en.w ikipedia.org/wiki/North_Americ an_Free_Trade_Agreement
FYI I have posted this before.

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#32969 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, a struggle is a struggle. Does it matter why people were discriminated against whether it was because of the clothes they wore, the old beat car they drove up in, or we were the laughing stock because it was apparent we didn't hardly know how to order in a restaurant because we went so little? Probably the only reason we were allowed in restaurants where we lived is because my grandparents were wealthy, otherwise we'd been treated just the same as you, "no tables available". I think discrimination in a restaurant based off color was just as wrong as discrimination because we were poor. Unlike you, I don't carry around the baggage of being poor growing up and how we were treated and you can't get out of the past. Let it go, move on and leave the past in the past. Your race hasn't cornered the market on discrimination because of skin color and you need to get over it.
What bothers me about you is that you allow Silver to continue on with his racists statements. You even say you admire him for the strength of his beliefs. That is ridiculously wrong. His is the attitude that caused misery and suffering to many people for many centuries, and you never defend the truth and call him out for such a racists view, you view him as a hero. If you are not against him and his racists beliefs, you are then for him. That is your choice, but in my opinion, very wrong to defend something that has impacted so many lives in a negative way. Happy Martin Luther King day. Thank God for his courage to act.

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#32970 Jan 21, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Sure it is justified, that's how things were then.
Take notice how your family didn't move to where blacks were tolerated better than in the south in those days.
You realize that moving takes funds, right? How naive you are.

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#32971 Jan 21, 2013
"The agreement opened the door for open trade, ending tariffs on various goods and services, and implementing equality between Canada, USA, and Mexico. NAFTA has allowed agricultural goods such as eggs, corn, and meats to be tariff-free." I wonder if Kerry pays a fee for tomatoes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F...

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#32972 Jan 21, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Not nearly as much as I see you faulting rich for being rich.
Nobody is faulting the rich. It is just fair for them to pay their portion of the freight. Why are they excluded from the burden of the country?
Taxpayer

Rougemont, NC

#32973 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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Let's look at Silver's (the avowed racist) question about black history month, NAACP, and The United Negro College fund as an example. Here he cries 'discrimination'. Let's look at the history. Black people were enslaved from 1619 to 1865 in the ultimate inhumane conditions one can imagine, illegal for them to be literate and sold their families to other owners at will, breaking up the family unit in the most horrible way. Following 'freedom' from slavery in 1863, they were given another 100 years of segregation and inferior schools in which to learn. This has been the struggle of the black man in America. Jobs were limited due to race and therefore, living conditions were based on poverty and separated by race. And this mindless and heartless soul wants to cry about 'discrimination'. I am not crying. I am telling you the facts. Bacon, I have asked you before. How many times did you go out for dinner in public with your family? Too many times to count. How many times did my brothers and sisters and I. None. Why? Because as a kid, restaurants would not serves "coloreds" and we picked up our food at the back window and took it home. Do you think this was right and justified? Any of you. What do you think? You never project yourselves to see the injustice of this. Only Mike and Allen can see this. The rest of you are totally blind, and will remain that way.
All races not just blacks have been enslaved since written time. You need to learn the read all History. Blacks are enslaving people today in places around the world. Hell in Africa one tribe is still killing another and anyone who gets in their way. They force women into prostitution and kids to kill for them. So donít give me you boohoo poor me crap.

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#32976 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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What bothers me about you is that you allow Silver to continue on with his racists statements. You even say you admire him for the strength of his beliefs. That is ridiculously wrong. His is the attitude that caused misery and suffering to many people for many centuries, and you never defend the truth and call him out for such a racists view, you view him as a hero. If you are not against him and his racists beliefs, you are then for him. That is your choice, but in my opinion, very wrong to defend something that has impacted so many lives in a negative way. Happy Martin Luther King day. Thank God for his courage to act.
Arnold, stop the spin game. I'll use your words, "You even say you admire him for the strength of his beliefs." Nowhere did you say I admired the strengths of his beliefs on racism. I admire the fact that he doesn't endorse the "group mentality" you beg for on here. He's his own man, it doesn't matter if I agree with him, you agree with him or no one agrees with, he puts out more than just his beliefs on race on here and he doesn't need cheerleaders. I admire his strength in standing by his beliefs. From his posting, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he and his wife worked their butts off to get what they have, just as many of us have and living in the past whining about what might have been doesn't do a thing about today. You're black, I get it, but I don't owe you anything because of the color of your skin no more than you owe me for my gender and remember we're both protected classes. Do you really think me calling out Silver is going to change his beliefs? Do you think Silver calling me out on mine is going to change my beliefs. No in both cases.
You guys get on here and tell those of us you disagree with that we're only looking out for ourselves and we're selfish. You guys always like to quote Hitler "If you tell a lie long enough then the people will believe it", well you guys have told us that lie long enough that just maybe we believe it and we are only looking out for ourselves. Either way, you call out Silver and anyone else you want to and I'll do the same when I see fit. I don't believe I've seen you call Mike out for calling me a chicken shit and other names. So when you stop doing the same thing you accuse me of, we'll have a conversation.

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#32977 Jan 21, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
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All races not just blacks have been enslaved since written time. You need to learn the read all History. Blacks are enslaving people today in places around the world. Hell in Africa one tribe is still killing another and anyone who gets in their way. They force women into prostitution and kids to kill for them. So donít give me you boohoo poor me crap.
Did I ever say that I condone or support any oppression by any race, now or in the past? You will never understand the underlying cause for freedom. Maybe in another life, you will get the essence, however, you are currently a million miles away.

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#32978 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, stop the spin game. I'll use your words, "You even say you admire him for the strength of his beliefs." Nowhere did you say I admired the strengths of his beliefs on racism. I admire the fact that he doesn't endorse the "group mentality" you beg for on here. He's his own man, it doesn't matter if I agree with him, you agree with him or no one agrees with, he puts out more than just his beliefs on race on here and he doesn't need cheerleaders. I admire his strength in standing by his beliefs. From his posting, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he and his wife worked their butts off to get what they have, just as many of us have and living in the past whining about what might have been doesn't do a thing about today. You're black, I get it, but I don't owe you anything because of the color of your skin no more than you owe me for my gender and remember we're both protected classes. Do you really think me calling out Silver is going to change his beliefs? Do you think Silver calling me out on mine is going to change my beliefs. No in both cases.
You guys get on here and tell those of us you disagree with that we're only looking out for ourselves and we're selfish. You guys always like to quote Hitler "If you tell a lie long enough then the people will believe it", well you guys have told us that lie long enough that just maybe we believe it and we are only looking out for ourselves. Either way, you call out Silver and anyone else you want to and I'll do the same when I see fit. I don't believe I've seen you call Mike out for calling me a chicken shit and other names. So when you stop doing the same thing you accuse me of, we'll have a conversation.
Chicken shit is a personal opinion. Racial discrimination and injustice is a fact of history. You condone it in your time by giving positive feedback to it's advocates. That is the difference.

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