“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#32922 Jan 20, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike, only interesting post and you and I discussed this before and that is not the answer you gave. I threw out the hypothetical what if a woman got pregnant wanted to have an abortion and the father of the baby said "hey, don't abort, I'll pay for everything and once the baby is born you'll never have to see the child again." We discussed that men are responsible for child support, thus if he should pay after the baby is born shouldn't he have a right about the pregnancy. You said and I agreed that we didn't exactly know the legalities, but it seemed the father should have some rights. We even discussed if a woman is murdered who is pregnant, the perpetrator is charged with double homicide if the child dies, thus the child is considered more than a fetus.
The court can even override a woman's decision after the birth of the baby to not receive child support from the father, even if it was her body and she chose to have the baby. I read not too long ago where a lesbian couple obtained sperm from a male friend and a child was conceived. One of the women fell on hard times or they split or something and the mother of the child was having trouble providing for the child and the judge made the male friend, pay child support. So, I say if the father can be held accountable for fathering a child after birth, he should have a say if his child can be carried to term. I know your argument will be that the woman can have an abortion without the knowledge of the father, and that's the of the story; however, I think if the woman isn't your one night stand kind of woman and she has feelings for said father of the baby, she would tell him she was pregnant, especially if she wanted to continue the relationship.
I do not recall saying this. The father has no say in the matter. He must pay for support because he was a part of the process, but the mother does not have to complete the process. The woman much more of a burden in the process.

If a fetus is killed by someone other than the mother, it is not murdering a child, but murdering a fetus in a woman. It is not a very black and white, clear cut matter.

Does it suck that the father has no say? Yes, but I think the law as it stands has its reasons.

I am not thrilled with abortion, but I do see a need to keep choice a freedom.
I am not thrilled to see anyone have child that is not prepared to raise it well.

Their are no easy answers to the abortion debate. Their certainly is not Utopian solution.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#32923 Jan 20, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
I have another question to ask you; you remember the time you posted a band and how good the lady was that was singing, and I thought she was good. On with the question, did/do you work at the Flat Iron Bar where the video was recorded. The reviews about the bar were good, but the negatives were about how smokey the place was and how your clothes and hair smelled after leaving from the smell of cigarette smoke. Are doing the double standard or was the video one you acquired from someone who attended the smokey Flat Iron Bar in Greensboro, NC?
No, I never did work there. They did break the law on the smoking ban for a while, but they are now in compliance.

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#32924 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If your race was enslaved and banned from reading or learning to read by your country, we would not consider a white college fund racist.
Mike, you forget women, ALL women, weren't educated and couldn't read or learn for a long time in the U.S. Is this why we only have beauty contests for just women, trying to right a wrong? With this being said, using your defense then men who were enslaved or not allowed to learn to read of any color should be entitled to schools that only funded for black people. You forget Mike, there were black and white slaves in our country.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#32925 Jan 20, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
I have another question to ask you; you remember the time you posted a band and how good the lady was that was singing, and I thought she was good. On with the question, did/do you work at the Flat Iron Bar where the video was recorded. The reviews about the bar were good, but the negatives were about how smokey the place was and how your clothes and hair smelled after leaving from the smell of cigarette smoke. Are doing the double standard or was the video one you acquired from someone who attended the smokey Flat Iron Bar in Greensboro, NC?
I have suffered through a few shows full of smoke in order to hear the bands I wanted to see.
The Coliseum shows always have smokers. Strange that they do not enforce the law. It really sucks when the seat you buy is next to a chain smoker.

Smokers in bars all to often chain smoke. They do not seem to care that others are bothered by it or that it can actually give others cancer.

If people actually had normal considerations, maybe their would be no ban on smoking. But the fact is, people will smoke and blow it in your face while you are eating right next to them. Now they cry about not being able to smoke in the bars. I really do not feel bad for them at all.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#32926 Jan 20, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike, you forget women, ALL women, weren't educated and couldn't read or learn for a long time in the U.S. Is this why we only have beauty contests for just women, trying to right a wrong? With this being said, using your defense then men who were enslaved or not allowed to learn to read of any color should be entitled to schools that only funded for black people. You forget Mike, there were black and white slaves in our country.
Women were not forbidden to read in America. Not being educated does not mean they were not allowed.
Yes, their were a few people other than black persons who were slaves in America. Not many.

Since: Dec 11

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#32927 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>No one is forced to work in a sweatshop.......
If we played by your reasoning, America would be having ten year old kids working eighteen hour days in horrible conditions. This is 2013 not 1913.
Correct, no one is forced to. If no one chooses to, the employer will improve the conditions or shut the doors, it's that simple. Yes, this is 2013, there are other jobs available than a sweatshop.
If my memory serves me correctly, Henry Ford introduced the eight hour work day with better pay, thus forcing everyone else to do the same. The free market at its best, not the govt.

Since: Dec 11

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#32928 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I do not recall saying this. The father has no say in the matter. He must pay for support because he was a part of the process, but the mother does not have to complete the process. The woman much more of a burden in the process.
If a fetus is killed by someone other than the mother, it is not murdering a child, but murdering a fetus in a woman. It is not a very black and white, clear cut matter.
Does it suck that the father has no say? Yes, but I think the law as it stands has its reasons.
I am not thrilled with abortion, but I do see a need to keep choice a freedom.
I am not thrilled to see anyone have child that is not prepared to raise it well.
Their are no easy answers to the abortion debate. Their certainly is not Utopian solution.
We did have this discussion and you never said it's the mother's body, end of story. We discussed, not argued, all the things I listed because I wanted a man's point of view. I believe your next to the last sentence is how we ended our discussion.
If the fetus is not a "living person" why would someone who killed the mother and child she is carrying be charged with two homicides?

This wiki site gives the pros and cons of both sides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_o...

Since: Dec 11

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#32929 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I have suffered through a few shows full of smoke in order to hear the bands I wanted to see.
The Coliseum shows always have smokers. Strange that they do not enforce the law. It really sucks when the seat you buy is next to a chain smoker.
Smokers in bars all to often chain smoke. They do not seem to care that others are bothered by it or that it can actually give others cancer.
If people actually had normal considerations, maybe their would be no ban on smoking. But the fact is, people will smoke and blow it in your face while you are eating right next to them. Now they cry about not being able to smoke in the bars. I really do not feel bad for them at all.
Well goodness Mike, wasn't it you that said to TSF on another post just the other day and TSF never said he smoked, if you want to commit suicide don't smoke around me or blow smoke in my face and earlier tonight you're going on about second hand smoke and how bad it is. Find a side and stick with it. Either smoke really doesn't bother you or for the sake of a concert you'll tolerate smokers committing suicide for the sake of good music or either you don't like it period. Which is it?

Since: Dec 11

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#32930 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Women were not forbidden to read in America. Not being educated does not mean they were not allowed.
Yes, their were a few people other than black persons who were slaves in America. Not many.
Mike, you're playing semantics now. Women may not have been forbidden, they weren't included, allowed etc i.e. you say tomato and I say tomahto. Either way I don't think young girls could throw a Wal-Mart temper tantrum and be taught when clearly their place in that day was in the kitchen, sewing, cleaning etc.
Yes, there were more than a few people other than black persons who were slaves in America, and you still didn't answer my question. Should they be allowed to attend colleges where funds are set up for blacks based on your argument because they were enslaved and forbidden to have an education?

Since: Dec 11

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#32931 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Did we get tax cuts for those making over 250K? Nope, but that is what we wanted, but we compromised at 400K.
Just as the Republicans wanted tax increases, not cuts, for those who make over $1M. They compromised at $400K in return for spending cuts, something the Commucrats have now reneged on.....just as they have time and time again.

Since: Dec 11

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#32932 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So an employee is supposed to research how much the employer makes for a safe work environment?
Fact is, America has made it a practice to force employers to make for a safe workplace. Forcing employees to work in a smoke filled place is hazardous to your health.
Did you not research your employer before you applied? No one was "forced" to work in a smoke filled workplace, that was their choice.
No one forced Henry Ford to create a safe work environment, he took it upon himself thus getting the best help. He forced others to conform, not the govt.

Since: Dec 11

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#32933 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>My son just went through the public education system. And yes, I looked at his books quite often, as I helped him study. I found no political messages. And yes, I do know how they can be hidden. If you think the republican majority school boards here in NC are letting in a bunch of liberal propaganda, it is you who is not actually looking at the textbooks.
Of course you didn't, you agree with the liberal agenda.

http://www.missourieducationwatchdog.com/2013...

http://teacherexpress.scholastic.com/subject/...

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#32934 Jan 20, 2013
TSF wrote:
I have looked at the preset day textbooks. I is just difficult to imagine how you see such ominous threats in the teaching of math, science, writing and reading. I think you are the one being brainwashed and it obviouly in't being done by the government.
<quoted text>
See the reply above to Mike with the links.

Since: Dec 11

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#32935 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I have suffered through a few shows full of smoke in order to hear the bands I wanted to see.
The Coliseum shows always have smokers. Strange that they do not enforce the law. It really sucks when the seat you buy is next to a chain smoker.
Smokers in bars all to often chain smoke. They do not seem to care that others are bothered by it or that it can actually give others cancer.
If people actually had normal considerations, maybe their would be no ban on smoking. But the fact is, people will smoke and blow it in your face while you are eating right next to them. Now they cry about not being able to smoke in the bars. I really do not feel bad for them at all.
So you say women should have a choice of abortion but smokers shouldn't have a choice, got it. Is it because abortion doesn't effect you and smoking does, because that's the stance of your party, or both?

Since: Dec 11

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#32936 Jan 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Women were not forbidden to read in America. Not being educated does not mean they were not allowed.
Yes, their were a few people other than black persons who were slaves in America. Not many.
I believe this link will dispute your slave % being more than a few:

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris...

Since: Dec 11

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#32937 Jan 20, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>So you say women should have a choice of abortion but smokers shouldn't have a choice, got it. Is it because abortion doesn't effect you and smoking does, because that's the stance of your party, or both?
No, it's because of his double standards which he always accuses anyone of that disagrees with him.

Since: Dec 11

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#32938 Jan 20, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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No, it's because of his double standards which he always accuses anyone of that disagrees with him.
Exactly!
Mr Anderson

Los Angeles, CA

#32939 Jan 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>It is not the dads body.
Homocrat

Since: Sep 12

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#32942 Jan 21, 2013
Former President Bill Clinton has a warning for top Democratic donors: Don't underestimate weapons rights supporters.

Clinton, speaking to a group of Democrats at the Obama National Finance Committee Saturday, said gun control gets a special emotional response from people in rural states, and dismissing pro-gun arguments can backfire.

“Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said, Politico reported.

“A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said.“I know because I come from this world."

Some polls say that the public supports proposals for increased gun control, Politico reports, but Clinton said emotions will rule when it comes to legislation on gun control.

“All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said.

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Since: Oct 08

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#32943 Jan 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So an employee is supposed to research how much the employer makes for a safe work environment?
Fact is, America has made it a practice to force employers to make for a safe workplace. Forcing employees to work in a smoke filled place is hazardous to your health.
Americans did not make it a practice. For a fee Unions have made it a practice to interfere.

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