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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#29881 Dec 7, 2012
Makin bacon wrote:
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Mike, not trying to butt into your posts to seven, it was the shortest post to use to ask you a question.
I'm not confused with you being an atheist; however, I'm confused with your use of the Bible as a point of reference. If you don't believe the Bible, why do you use it and why do you believe what only bolsters what you want to argue. Let's take the treatment of women spoken of in the Bible and your posting of scriptures about the how they were treated with inequality. Do you actually think this happened or are you saying the Bible promotes it. They're two different concepts. Either you believe the Bible if you use it for a reference when it bolsters your argument or you don't believe it at all. You've heard the old saying "you're not just a little bit pregnant, either you are or you're aren't"? Which is it? You spoke the other day of Lu cherry picking scriptures, you're doing the same thing. TSF had a great example of people believing in God through personal experience when he used the story about Paul on the road to Damascus being struck down blind. Paul then heard a voice that asked Paul or Saul of Tarsus(?) at the time that said why do you persecute me. Saul's mission at the time of this event was to rid the world of christianity because he didn't believe in the truth of it. However, this nonbeliever who slaughtered many a man because of their belief in christianity, used the words "Who art thou, Lord?" At that point and through this experience, Saul, later named Paul, knew exactly to whom he was speaking. Just because you haven't had a personal experience with God, doesn't take away from those who have and believe. Mike, for some people there are just things that happen daily for which there is no explanation and to ask someone to explain the whole Bible or even the story of Paul is unfair because there's not always an explanation. IMO, one must personalize the Bible, his religious belief etc and work through it on a personal basis. You telling people God doesn't exist is your opinion. Many people say they've seen bigfoot, to be honest I don't there's a bigfoot, but I can't flat out call people liars because they say they've seen him and he's real.
When I quote the bible, it is almost always to show it is promoting a certain idea. Not sure why I even have to explain that to you. The bible promotes inequality for women. I showed several scriptures that did this. One person showed one scripture that they thought said otherwise, but was not specific at all about equality on earth.

The religious right often says or does things that are not in the spirit of equality.

Now moving on, I know many claim to have been abducted by aliens, but I believe exactly none of them. Many believe they see ghosts. I believe none of them. Maybe they did see something, but that does not mean it was a ghost. Paul may have seen something, but what Paul and many people do not understand is, the mind can play tricks on you. I believe the superstitious think their minds cannot play tricks on them. Some people have dreams and think it was a real life experience. I have even had this happen to myself. I literally could not remember if a memory was a reality, or was it something I dreamed. Some that do not know of this phenomenon, would likely have no doubt it was of a real experience.
The bible often speaks of visions of god or angels that came in a dream. If someone today told you they were visited by and angel in a dream, would you think that was a real visit from an angel? Humans have delusions, ask your sister about that.

BTW, I think Paul had motive to lie, and I think he lied quite often. Biblical scholars say the writings of Paul are not of one person. There is clearly more than one writing style. In those days, evidently it was common to write using someone else's name, say the experts.
I see people like Paul, the same as I see Jerry Falwell. I have no reason to believe a word they say.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29882 Dec 7, 2012
sevenSecrets wrote:
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see now were getting into theoretical science. familiar with the heils boson particle? speculated to be a "time traveler". time travel crosses dimensions from this physical real dimension to a theoretical different dimension. this all being theory. has science touched what is out "there". no i believe not, we dont even have absolute physical evidence of alien beings. well civilians dont...and its almost mathematically impossible for there not to be alien life. but do you have proof? did you tape a ufo? do you swear by that tape? if an alien being, capable of cross dimensional travel and has been conceived 14.5 billions years ago, engineers several different species through evolution...would that being not be considered a God? how far could species evolve in 14.5 billion years? could it have ascended so to speak?? we can bind our beliefs with our small amount of known and factual science. Do i believe in Christianity? nope. do i believe in something of which has a hand in our species, yes. no, i am not putting a God in front of answers i do not know. im putting science in their place. we can through the god word around a lot and say "no there is no god because science says there isnt" well, i think mankind has a little tiny hold on science, and we dont know shit.
Here is the difference between you and I on this. I believe there is a 'possibility' of aliens. This probability has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I make no claim they exist or do not. I just think it is likely.
Now on the other hand, you claim something certainly exists as if you can somehow know for sure. But that is of a blind faith, as there is zero evidence of the claim.
I need to show no evidence, because I make no positive claim, but you do.
And science makes no claim of a god not existing, btw. They might say there is zero evidence for a god. I do not confuse the two.

No, I do not call aliens gods, no matter if they started life on earth or not. It would be a miss-use of the word. Not that I think that it is likely aliens did so anyway.
BTW, it is highly unlikely any life in this universe is 14.5 billion years old, as it took many billions of years for heavy elements to form in our universe. But even if life on another planet has been around for eight billion years, imagine what may evolve in that time compared to our three billion years.
Higher human intelligence only evolved less than one hundred thousand years ago, so imagine if intelligent life was around for a billion years.

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#29883 Dec 7, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>When I quote the bible, it is almost always to show it is promoting a certain idea. Not sure why I even have to explain that to you. The bible promotes inequality for women. I showed several scriptures that did this. One person showed one scripture that they thought said otherwise, but was not specific at all about equality on earth.
The religious right often says or does things that are not in the spirit of equality.
Now moving on, I know many claim to have been abducted by aliens, but I believe exactly none of them. Many believe they see ghosts. I believe none of them. Maybe they did see something, but that does not mean it was a ghost. Paul may have seen something, but what Paul and many people do not understand is, the mind can play tricks on you. I believe the superstitious think their minds cannot play tricks on them. Some people have dreams and think it was a real life experience. I have even had this happen to myself. I literally could not remember if a memory was a reality, or was it something I dreamed. Some that do not know of this phenomenon, would likely have no doubt it was of a real experience.
The bible often speaks of visions of god or angels that came in a dream. If someone today told you they were visited by and angel in a dream, would you think that was a real visit from an angel? Humans have delusions, ask your sister about that.
BTW, I think Paul had motive to lie, and I think he lied quite often. Biblical scholars say the writings of Paul are not of one person. There is clearly more than one writing style. In those days, evidently it was common to write using someone else's name, say the experts.
I see people like Paul, the same as I see Jerry Falwell. I have no reason to believe a word they say.
Mike, help me understand your beliefs. You don't believe in God, so does this mean you also don't believe the Bible? If you don't believe the Bible, then why do you point out the Bible showing inequality to women or anything it says for that matter? If you don't believe the Bible, wouldn't this too be a lie? As far as you believing Paul was a liar, wouldn't the fact the Bible is a lie make the fact your opinion that Paul was a liar a moot point? If in fact you do believe Paul did exist and was a liar, what makes you think he's a liar and you're not? Silver posted a site from the Department of Corrections of N.C. and it had name similar to your's or your name, but you say it's a lie, why should we believe it, because you said so? You would have motive to lie as you claim Paul did. Mike, you haven't cornered the market on the truth nor have you cornered a cogent thought on your beliefs. You either believe there is no God and therefore it would negate the Bible being His inspired word and you don't believe it as well. As I said before, you want to use the Bible, a book as an atheist you shouldn't believe in, to bolster your opinions and I want to know how you reconcile this double standard of not believing, but yet use the very book that you rail against as being inspired by a fairytale god when it's convenient for your debate?

Aliens and ghosts, I don't even go there. I've never had an experience with either and can't speak to or call people liars that say they have.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29884 Dec 8, 2012
Makin bacon wrote:
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Mike, help me understand your beliefs. You don't believe in God, so does this mean you also don't believe the Bible? If you don't believe the Bible, then why do you point out the Bible showing inequality to women or anything it says for that matter? If you don't believe the Bible, wouldn't this too be a lie? As far as you believing Paul was a liar, wouldn't the fact the Bible is a lie make the fact your opinion that Paul was a liar a moot point? If in fact you do believe Paul did exist and was a liar, what makes you think he's a liar and you're not? Silver posted a site from the Department of Corrections of N.C. and it had name similar to your's or your name, but you say it's a lie, why should we believe it, because you said so? You would have motive to lie as you claim Paul did. Mike, you haven't cornered the market on the truth nor have you cornered a cogent thought on your beliefs. You either believe there is no God and therefore it would negate the Bible being His inspired word and you don't believe it as well. As I said before, you want to use the Bible, a book as an atheist you shouldn't believe in, to bolster your opinions and I want to know how you reconcile this double standard of not believing, but yet use the very book that you rail against as being inspired by a fairytale god when it's convenient for your debate?
Aliens and ghosts, I don't even go there. I've never had an experience with either and can't speak to or call people liars that say they have.
What I know is true is, people believe the bible is true. Thus I quote the bible to show what the believers believe, not what I believe. Just as you might quote the Koran to show some silly thing Muslims might believe.
The real Paul and the fake Paul's have motive to lie, thus I feel it is not to be looked at as absolute truth. There is no way to fact check the claims he makes. So you must take him to be one hundred percent honest to believe his claims. I think no one is one hundred percent honest, so the likelihood his claims are all true are nill. Just as I do not believe the crap Jerry Fallwell spews, I do not believe the crap the bible spews. If you do so, I will use the texts of the bible to show inconsistencies and, or how it is immoral. Just as you might show verses from the Koran to show Islam is a violent religion.

You evidently believe these people were all perfectly honest, and they also speak for god. What I do not get is, how can you be so sure these people are either of these things? There is zero evidence they are, but you have no doubt it is so. Did a god tell you it was so? If not, I think you are just following tradition. Just as the Muslims who follow the Koran are just following tradition. Just as the Hindu's follow the tradition. It is the tradition of American culture, so you just follow the herd without question.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29885 Dec 8, 2012
Makin bacon wrote:
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Mike, help me understand your beliefs. You don't believe in God, so does this mean you also don't believe the Bible? If you don't believe the Bible, then why do you point out the Bible showing inequality to women or anything it says for that matter? If you don't believe the Bible, wouldn't this too be a lie? As far as you believing Paul was a liar, wouldn't the fact the Bible is a lie make the fact your opinion that Paul was a liar a moot point? If in fact you do believe Paul did exist and was a liar, what makes you think he's a liar and you're not? Silver posted a site from the Department of Corrections of N.C. and it had name similar to your's or your name, but you say it's a lie, why should we believe it, because you said so? You would have motive to lie as you claim Paul did. Mike, you haven't cornered the market on the truth nor have you cornered a cogent thought on your beliefs. You either believe there is no God and therefore it would negate the Bible being His inspired word and you don't believe it as well. As I said before, you want to use the Bible, a book as an atheist you shouldn't believe in, to bolster your opinions and I want to know how you reconcile this double standard of not believing, but yet use the very book that you rail against as being inspired by a fairytale god when it's convenient for your debate?
Aliens and ghosts, I don't even go there. I've never had an experience with either and can't speak to or call people liars that say they have.
For the record, I would think some of the claims of the bible are not complete fabrications. But we cannot know which are and which are not. So if someone is making a serious claim about a god, and we cannot know if he is being truthful, or the writing is accurate, why follow the claim as if a god actually made said statements or had such wants? This is blind faith.

When I show inconsistencies, or how a command is immoral, that should be a red flag to a false claim of a good god. But you excuse it due to the propaganda line of,"god must have a reason we cannot understand", or something like this. Thus all your critical thinking for the bible is shut down. Thus I feel you are following blindly. If you do not allow critical thinking to the claims, then you are blindly following. Why anyone thinks blindly following is a good thing is far beyond me. And not a single person has given a good reason it is good. Can you?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29886 Dec 8, 2012
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>Makes me want to see a halo, wings and "Spock" ears. Think of the followers there would be. All of Hollywood CA would be there. I'm sorry, I had to say it.:)
Actually, this is basically the belief of Scientology. And yes, there are a few in Hollywood who follow that religion. But I think the majority of Hollywood is atheist. I see people question the existence of god in movies all the time these days. Seems to be a trend.

Scientology is growing fast. This happens even though I would think you feel it has no truth to it. So when people claim Christianity must be true do to the number of believers, look at Scientology growth for comparison.
Maumeaux

France

#29887 Dec 8, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Here is the difference between you and I on this. I believe there is a 'possibility' of aliens. This probability has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I make no claim they exist or do not. I just think it is likely.
Now on the other hand, you claim something certainly exists as if you can somehow know for sure. But that is of a blind faith, as there is zero evidence of the claim.
I need to show no evidence, because I make no positive claim, but you do.
And science makes no claim of a god not existing, btw. They might say there is zero evidence for a god. I do not confuse the two.
No, I do not call aliens gods, no matter if they started life on earth or not. It would be a miss-use of the word. Not that I think that it is likely aliens did so anyway.
BTW, it is highly unlikely any life in this universe is 14.5 billion years old, as it took many billions of years for heavy elements to form in our universe. But even if life on another planet has been around for eight billion years, imagine what may evolve in that time compared to our three billion years.
Higher human intelligence only evolved less than one hundred thousand years ago, so imagine if intelligent life was around for a billion years.
After reading your lame posts, I certainly believe in alien sub-life forms such as yourself. Unfortunately, you have yet to evolve from your present state of dog shit.
Snore

Gastonia, NC

#29888 Dec 8, 2012
Makin bacon wrote:
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Mike, help me understand your beliefs. You don't believe in God, so does this mean you also don't believe the Bible? If you don't believe the Bible, then why do you point out the Bible showing inequality to women or anything it says for that matter? If you don't believe the Bible, wouldn't this too be a lie? As far as you believing Paul was a liar, wouldn't the fact the Bible is a lie make the fact your opinion that Paul was a liar a moot point? If in fact you do believe Paul did exist and was a liar, what makes you think he's a liar and you're not? Silver posted a site from the Department of Corrections of N.C. and it had name similar to your's or your name, but you say it's a lie, why should we believe it, because you said so? You would have motive to lie as you claim Paul did. Mike, you haven't cornered the market on the truth nor have you cornered a cogent thought on your beliefs. You either believe there is no God and therefore it would negate the Bible being His inspired word and you don't believe it as well. As I said before, you want to use the Bible, a book as an atheist you shouldn't believe in, to bolster your opinions and I want to know how you reconcile this double standard of not believing, but yet use the very book that you rail against as being inspired by a fairytale god when it's convenient for your debate?
Aliens and ghosts, I don't even go there. I've never had an experience with either and can't speak to or call people liars that say they have.
You pretty much summed it up so eloquently- you beat me to the punch, but spot on Bacon. Mike is simply confused to the umpth power in what he believes. Mike, can't have it both ways. Pick a "weapon". You don't believe in GOD, then you have no business touching The Bible. Get a book about the phylosophy of atheism and THEN make your points about equality of women. Hippocrite. Talking out of your ass as usual and bored to death. And religion is not a science-it's a belief, and philosophy and theology play a role too. More importantly, it you have nothing to believe in, I only think one's life is empty in spirit and has a huge hole in his heart and soul.

“Seek Light”

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#29889 Dec 8, 2012
Snore i've been attacked by atheists more than a few times regarding my faith.Ive been challenged to"prove"the existence of GOD......numerous times.Then i'm told about all the atrocities committed in the name of"religion"......I don't believe in"religion"......I believe in GOD....

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#29890 Dec 8, 2012
waco1909 wrote:
Snore i've been attacked by atheists more than a few times regarding my faith.Ive been challenged to"prove"the existence of GOD......numerous times.Then i'm told about all the atrocities committed in the name of"religion"......I don't believe in"religion"......I believe in GOD....
Amen waco, BTW, it's your day, hope you have a great one sweetie.
Snore

Gastonia, NC

#29891 Dec 8, 2012
waco1909 wrote:
Snore i've been attacked by atheists more than a few times regarding my faith.Ive been challenged to"prove"the existence of GOD......numerous times.Then i'm told about all the atrocities committed in the name of"religion"......I don't believe in"religion"......I believe in GOD....
Spot on Waco!
Snore

Gastonia, NC

#29892 Dec 8, 2012
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>Amen waco, BTW, it's your day, hope you have a great one sweetie.
What? Is it your birthday Waco? or getting married? or just the day off? Whatever the answer, make it a great day.
Maumeaux

France

#29893 Dec 8, 2012
waco1909 wrote:
Snore i've been attacked by atheists more than a few times regarding my faith.Ive been challenged to"prove"the existence of GOD......numerous times.Then i'm told about all the atrocities committed in the name of"religion"......I don't believe in"religion"......I believe in GOD....
John 20:29-31

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#29894 Dec 8, 2012
Maumeaux wrote:
<quoted text>John 20:29-31
Maumeaux, very good scripture reference. Thanks for the input.

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#29895 Dec 8, 2012
Happy Birthday Waco!!!!:)

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#29896 Dec 8, 2012
Snore wrote:
<quoted text>You pretty much summed it up so eloquently- you beat me to the punch, but spot on Bacon. Mike is simply confused to the umpth power in what he believes. Mike, can't have it both ways. Pick a "weapon". You don't believe in GOD, then you have no business touching The Bible. Get a book about the phylosophy of atheism and THEN make your points about equality of women. Hippocrite. Talking out of your ass as usual and bored to death. And religion is not a science-it's a belief, and philosophy and theology play a role too. More importantly, it you have nothing to believe in, I only think one's life is empty in spirit and has a huge hole in his heart and soul.
Snore, I'm glad you understood my post. TSF does such a fine job explaining his beliefs and I wish I was as good as he is in articulating them. Your post also gets to the point and I agree with you. especially your wording of "Pick a Weapon".

“Anasasis Xenophontis.”

Since: Dec 08

over there.

#29897 Dec 8, 2012
No mike. You can tell me how I think and speculate on my beliefs based on the small amount of known science that we barely have a grasp on, like how we know how old our expanding universe is and how long it took planets to form, but my beliefs are my own and holds no tie to any religion. The big thing you will have to wrap your head around is that we really have no clue. I'm not really fine with that, I have a lust for knowledge, but we are a very ignorant species. You get outside this solar system and there is no absolutes.
You have a vendetta against gods, I get that, but I didn't say I know what it is or who he is, I didn't say he is an alien. The only thing I believe one hundred percent is that there is something else. Spirit world, different plane of reality...where do you draw the boundary? Or are you one of those people that can only believe what they have tangible evidence for? Those same people believed the earth was the center of the solar system....

Btw mike, you keep tellin us what god is or isn't....so what is a god? You sure seem to know what he is and where the boundaries lay.

“Seek Light”

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#29898 Dec 8, 2012
Thanks bacon!

“Seek Light”

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#29899 Dec 8, 2012
Maumeaux wrote:
<quoted text>John 20:29-31
For real.

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#29900 Dec 8, 2012
sevenSecrets wrote:
No mike. You can tell me how I think and speculate on my beliefs based on the small amount of known science that we barely have a grasp on, like how we know how old our expanding universe is and how long it took planets to form, but my beliefs are my own and holds no tie to any religion. The big thing you will have to wrap your head around is that we really have no clue. I'm not really fine with that, I have a lust for knowledge, but we are a very ignorant species. You get outside this solar system and there is no absolutes.
You have a vendetta against gods, I get that, but I didn't say I know what it is or who he is, I didn't say he is an alien. The only thing I believe one hundred percent is that there is something else. Spirit world, different plane of reality...where do you draw the boundary? Or are you one of those people that can only believe what they have tangible evidence for? Those same people believed the earth was the center of the solar system....
Btw mike, you keep tellin us what god is or isn't....so what is a god? You sure seem to know what he is and where the boundaries lay.
Wow seven, I think I hear crickets!

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