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#29855 Dec 6, 2012
Sorry, I can't stand that word..."retard", in any context.

“Anasasis Xenophontis.”

Since: Dec 08

over there.

#29856 Dec 6, 2012
i formed it from personal experiences* my head isnt screwed on tight today...shitty day.

“physics is your friend”

Since: May 12

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#29857 Dec 6, 2012
Blah wrote:
<quoted text>They're a bunch of pseudo-intellectual retards on this thread with nothing better to do with their tin can lives except cyber babble.
Like we don't know who this is! Why don't you just keep your smartass in LA where the "real"people are?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29858 Dec 6, 2012
sevenSecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
personal to me, but i formed it did form it personally. alot of personal discovery happened and i still dont know exactly what i believe. thats all i can tell ya cause that is really all i know. just some things happened in my life and it led to believe in a extra dimensional higher power.
Yes, well this is about what I expected. You see, I wanted to know, because most do not realize where information for beliefs come from.
But it is clear to me, such ideas are from religion. One does not have these concepts in a vacuum. We have all heard of many ideas of gods, and we naturally will form an opinion based upon those ideas. So I many pick and chose what is plausible about a god and form ideas of what a god would be or do. This is why their are so many sects in Christianity, and so many different religions.

I would hope people would introspect this idea of where their beliefs come from and analyze it instead of just assuming it is god planting that thought there. If a god really planted such ideas, there would be no need for a bible, and their would be agreement on the concept of god, IMO. Yet clearly their is much dispute.

“physics is your friend”

Since: May 12

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#29859 Dec 6, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, well this is about what I expected. You see, I wanted to know, because most do not realize where information for beliefs come from.
But it is clear to me, such ideas are from religion. One does not have these concepts in a vacuum. We have all heard of many ideas of gods, and we naturally will form an opinion based upon those ideas. So I many pick and chose what is plausible about a god and form ideas of what a god would be or do. This is why their are so many sects in Christianity, and so many different religions.
I would hope people would introspect this idea of where their beliefs come from and analyze it instead of just assuming it is god planting that thought there. If a god really planted such ideas, there would be no need for a bible, and their would be agreement on the concept of god, IMO. Yet clearly their is much dispute.
Like you said...in your opinion.

“Anasasis Xenophontis.”

Since: Dec 08

over there.

#29860 Dec 6, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, well this is about what I expected. You see, I wanted to know, because most do not realize where information for beliefs come from.
But it is clear to me, such ideas are from religion. One does not have these concepts in a vacuum. We have all heard of many ideas of gods, and we naturally will form an opinion based upon those ideas. So I many pick and chose what is plausible about a god and form ideas of what a god would be or do. This is why their are so many sects in Christianity, and so many different religions.
I would hope people would introspect this idea of where their beliefs come from and analyze it instead of just assuming it is god planting that thought there. If a god really planted such ideas, there would be no need for a bible, and their would be agreement on the concept of god, IMO. Yet clearly their is much dispute.
this is about what i expected, see i was an atheist as well. yes, religion had some influence...to say that an environment has no influence is idiosyncratic. i didnt pick and choose, there isnt an image in my head. i believe in extra dimensions, i believe that there could be beings which are far more sophisticated and expansive. i experienced something once and it wasnt organic and physical. i did believe that everything was organic and bound by physical science. well, i still do...to an extent. its not me spittin some melodramatic bs, this is just how ive been trying to explain it for a couple years now. i didnt force it on anyone and i havent passed laws in its name. so carry on cause with a lot of it i agree with you.
beatle bop

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#29861 Dec 6, 2012
sevenSecrets wrote:
<quoted text>this is about what i expected, see i was an atheist as well. yes, religion had some influence...to say that an environment has no influence is idiosyncratic. i didnt pick and choose, there isnt an image in my head. i believe in extra dimensions, i believe that there could be beings which are far more sophisticated and expansive. i experienced something once and it wasnt organic and physical. i did believe that everything was organic and bound by physical science. well, i still do...to an extent. its not me spittin some melodramatic bs, this is just how ive been trying to explain it for a couple years now. i didnt force it on anyone and i havent passed laws in its name. so carry on cause with a lot of it i agree with you.
Tom Waits said, "I don't know if I believe in God, but I do believe in Highway Patrolmen"

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#29862 Dec 6, 2012
TSF wrote:
Those are astoundingly stupid but represent only a drop in an ocean of theft fraud, subsidies, loopholes, exemptions, incentives, etc.
For example: In NC state government, 3 cents of every tax dollar goes to corporate incentives with no assurance that jobs will be creatd.
<quoted text>
There is never any assurance any where that a job will be created. Those incentives and loopholes you are sternly against are designed to entice a business to come in and set up shop. Nothing more. Nothing is promised to anyone and it is foolhearty to think it is. Those corporate incentives are designed for companies like(example only) PPD, IBM, GE, Catepillar, Glaxco Smith Kline, the film industry and so on, will come to the state and do business. Part of that business is employing locals and transients.

North Carolina's bread and butter is agriculture. Has been before you or I were ever a thought. And the party you supported by a casting a vote in favor of wants to end farm susidaries, redistribute wealth through taxation and expect republicans to be more like democrats. Democrats fix things now, republicans fix things long term. Got to get some rest. San Fransico is a nice city, but I don't ever have to come back.

Since: Sep 12

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#29863 Dec 7, 2012
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
<quoted text>
There is never any assurance any where that a job will be created. Those incentives and loopholes you are sternly against are designed to entice a business to come in and set up shop. Nothing more. Nothing is promised to anyone and it is foolhearty to think it is. Those corporate incentives are designed for companies like(example only) PPD, IBM, GE, Catepillar, Glaxco Smith Kline, the film industry and so on, will come to the state and do business. Part of that business is employing locals and transients.
North Carolina's bread and butter is agriculture. Has been before you or I were ever a thought. And the party you supported by a casting a vote in favor of wants to end farm susidaries, redistribute wealth through taxation and expect republicans to be more like democrats. Democrats fix things now, republicans fix things long term. Got to get some rest. San Fransico is a nice city, but I don't ever have to come back.
How is the land of "Oz" and Pelosi?
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#29864 Dec 7, 2012
TSF wrote:
I have never advocated soaking the rich. All I want is for them to pay the same tax RATE that everyone else pays. We just can no longer afford welfare/socialism for the rich. I know republikans want to cut social security (which is still self sustaining) so that they can give tax breaks to the rich. That reverse socialism just isn't going to continue because the public is starting to pay attention to what happens their money.
<quoted text>
That is just junk; if they paid the same as you that would be less then they pay now. Is that what you want? I am sure that would be ok with them.
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#29865 Dec 7, 2012
TSF wrote:
Republikans can't lead, cant follow and can't get out of the way. Republikans are so accustomed to obstructing that they are now refusing to raise taxes on the rich to avoid raising taxes even more on the rich --and everyone else. Does anyone see a disconnect in that logic?
This is kind of a parallel the the pre election decision by republikans to present a presidential candidate who would force their prejudicial evangelical Christians to chose between voting for a Christian or the white guy.
But then , no one has actually accused republicans of being logical.
So you are just a Racist.
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#29866 Dec 7, 2012
TSF wrote:
Unfortunately, the public and congress has been unable to comprehend the enormity of our debt problem. I see congressmen speaking with obvious ignorance of the difference between debt and deficit. I see continued blind faith trust in the discredited "voodoo economics" idea that cutting taxes raises tax revenues. Our members of congress are too old to still believe in the tooth fairy. Now we are at the point that we either work together to right the ship or all sink with it.
Welfare/socialism to the rich? We are giving away 1.3 trillion dollars annually to the rich in loopholes, subsidies, exemptions, exclusions, incentives, no bid contracts, etc. By contrast, the total cost of all the payout to baby mommas, all the unemployed, all the WIC, all the food stamps, etc (all social programs combined) is less than 0.8 trillion dollars.
It doesn't matter if I oppose it or not, the reality is that socialism to the rich and poor has to stop in order to get our house in order. It would be nice if the tooth fairy was right and we could get out by just starving the poor or by soaking the rich. Unfortunately, we have to do both. Taking monetary policy away from the federal reserve bank will also be necessary but very politically messy. The last president to attempt that was JFK. We would not be in this present mess if he had been sucessful.
<quoted text>
So you support full on Communism?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29867 Dec 7, 2012
sevenSecrets wrote:
<quoted text>this is about what i expected, see i was an atheist as well. yes, religion had some influence...to say that an environment has no influence is idiosyncratic. i didnt pick and choose, there isnt an image in my head. i believe in extra dimensions, i believe that there could be beings which are far more sophisticated and expansive. i experienced something once and it wasnt organic and physical. i did believe that everything was organic and bound by physical science. well, i still do...to an extent. its not me spittin some melodramatic bs, this is just how ive been trying to explain it for a couple years now. i didnt force it on anyone and i havent passed laws in its name. so carry on cause with a lot of it i agree with you.
I am not discussing this with you because I feel your ideas are so dangerous, but more of a general discussion of the intellectual sort. I know it is offensive to hear what I have to say on the matter. But I feel cold hard honesty is the only way to emphasis the point.
While you are not trying to pass laws on the matter, your belief does embolden those who do. For one, claiming your experience was not organic is a bit to absolute of a claim. How can you know if it was organic or not? The religious often claim their experience must be of a god or miracle or something like this, only because they cannot explain it otherwise. Well just because someone does not know the answer, does not mean it has no natural answer, it only means you are unaware of the answer. Just as the ancients did not know the answer to what the stars and planets were, so they called them gods. You are doing no different than them in this respect. You are inventing a god due to lack of answers. This is how religion started, and it is how it evolves.
We know that Zeus does not make the rain and lightning so we no longer believe in Zeus. The gap of knowledge was filled and the god was no longer needed to answer the question.
So supporting the idea of filling gaps with a god is why it emboldens the more fanatical religious zealots to do what they do. It is all in the name of blind faith.
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#29868 Dec 7, 2012
TSF wrote:
Yes. I ,TSF , am very afraid--- that republikans will perpetuate ignorance and limit our future by destroying public education,---that republikans will destroy religious freedom in the USA by codifying their religion into law,--that republikans will continue to crush working people with taxes that the rich escape,-- that republikans will continue allow foreign corporate owners to buy our elections,-- that republikans will continue giving away our natural resources (oil, coal, timber, gas etc),---that the republikan party's corruption will so weaken the party that they become unable to balance and oppose some of the democrat party's left wind nut ideas.
<quoted text>
Obama gets his monetary support from the Communist countries and that is ok with you. He is a Democrat so he says.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29869 Dec 7, 2012
sevenSecrets wrote:
<quoted text>this is about what i expected, see i was an atheist as well. yes, religion had some influence...to say that an environment has no influence is idiosyncratic. i didnt pick and choose, there isnt an image in my head. i believe in extra dimensions, i believe that there could be beings which are far more sophisticated and expansive. i experienced something once and it wasnt organic and physical. i did believe that everything was organic and bound by physical science. well, i still do...to an extent. its not me spittin some melodramatic bs, this is just how ive been trying to explain it for a couple years now. i didnt force it on anyone and i havent passed laws in its name. so carry on cause with a lot of it i agree with you.
BTW, I also believe there may possibly be being more sophisticated and expansive. I just do not think they are likely to be gods. Advanced aliens would be more likely. I doubt they would have any affect on what we are though.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#29870 Dec 7, 2012
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>How is the land of "Oz" and Pelosi?
I am surprised Silver went to San Fran. I would think his head would explode if he bumped into a homosexual on the sidewalk. You see, they walk on both sides of the street there.
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#29871 Dec 7, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Where will it stop? Who knows, but acting like this relatively small intervention compared to many other countries is communism, makes the word lose its real meaning. Just as how you compare taxation to ownership by the government.
I know we are talking about America, but when doing so, I use other countries to compare for perspective.
I think no one is raising taxes because they claim some make "too much". The claim is, "they make enough to pay more". Seems republicans keep getting this confused.
Keep in mind, the tax rate has lowered drastically in the past fifty years, so a small increase for a few is not reversing the overall lower tax rate of yesteryear. Tweaking always must be done to balance the budget. And keep in mind, republicans voted for much of the spending that needs to be paid down.
Also keep in mind, Democrats are on board for compromise in cuts versus taxes. Again, balance is key.
The theory is, spending must be more in times of recession, to boost or at least stabilize the economy. And the spending did make it relatively stable compared to the drastic downturn during Bush.
The theory is, pay down the debt in the good times and spend in the bad. Bush and the republican congress failed to pay down the debt in the good times, and spent to much. Basically, he failed to save for a rainy day. This is common, and I think this is what needs to always be focused on. Next time the economy is well, that is when the clamp should be put on spending. If this happened, no tax hikes would be needed.
Republicans helped make this bed they now refuse to sleep in.
Thanks for posting some good substance here.
You can dangle those beads in front of the incredibly stupid and they will follow. But anyone that understands the ideas of liberty and freedom knows it is a cover up for socialist communism. You obviously did not read the definition you ask for. You people that support socialist totalitarianism are inimical to all people’s liberty. The corruption of our education system by the communist minded people in this country shows how evil you are. Your use of the government to enslave free people has to be confronted and defeated. There will be a return to legitimate freedom for all.

Since: Dec 11

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#29872 Dec 7, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, I also believe there may possibly be being more sophisticated and expansive. I just do not think they are likely to be gods. Advanced aliens would be more likely. I doubt they would have any affect on what we are though.
Mike, not trying to butt into your posts to seven, it was the shortest post to use to ask you a question.

I'm not confused with you being an atheist; however, I'm confused with your use of the Bible as a point of reference. If you don't believe the Bible, why do you use it and why do you believe what only bolsters what you want to argue. Let's take the treatment of women spoken of in the Bible and your posting of scriptures about the how they were treated with inequality. Do you actually think this happened or are you saying the Bible promotes it. They're two different concepts. Either you believe the Bible if you use it for a reference when it bolsters your argument or you don't believe it at all. You've heard the old saying "you're not just a little bit pregnant, either you are or you're aren't"? Which is it? You spoke the other day of Lu cherry picking scriptures, you're doing the same thing. TSF had a great example of people believing in God through personal experience when he used the story about Paul on the road to Damascus being struck down blind. Paul then heard a voice that asked Paul or Saul of Tarsus(?) at the time that said why do you persecute me. Saul's mission at the time of this event was to rid the world of christianity because he didn't believe in the truth of it. However, this nonbeliever who slaughtered many a man because of their belief in christianity, used the words "Who art thou, Lord?" At that point and through this experience, Saul, later named Paul, knew exactly to whom he was speaking. Just because you haven't had a personal experience with God, doesn't take away from those who have and believe. Mike, for some people there are just things that happen daily for which there is no explanation and to ask someone to explain the whole Bible or even the story of Paul is unfair because there's not always an explanation. IMO, one must personalize the Bible, his religious belief etc and work through it on a personal basis. You telling people God doesn't exist is your opinion. Many people say they've seen bigfoot, to be honest I don't there's a bigfoot, but I can't flat out call people liars because they say they've seen him and he's real.
TSF

Kenly, NC

#29873 Dec 7, 2012
You just do not understand percentages , do you? Sign up for adult basic education.
Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
That is just junk; if they paid the same as you that would be less then they pay now. Is that what you want? I am sure that would be ok with them.
TSF

Kenly, NC

#29874 Dec 7, 2012
???? Do you drink a lot or are you just naturally slow?
Taxpayer wrote:
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So you support full on Communism?

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