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TSF

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#29793
Dec 5, 2012
 
I am not sure about the amount of scientific knowledge St Thomas Aquinas had, but his statement reveals that he clearly understood why there is a difference between believers and non believers. The church opposition to science has been brutal in the past to protect dogma, which is much different than religion. Much later, Copernicus was deemed a heretic and a fool because he had the audacity to claim that the Earth was not the center of the Universe and that the Earth was revolving around the Sun. Galileo was convicted as a heretic as a result of confirming the ideas of Corponicus and was only post humanously pardoned by the Catholic Church in 1996. Church adherance to dogma has created the carnage, conflict, injustice, horrors,ignorance , etc. That dogma is not religion.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Of course in the dark ages, no one had scientific explanations for most natural events, so I can see why Tom thought this.
Any statement pre-Darwin, must be looked at in this perspective.
And even after that, one should look at the known science of the day for full perspective.
BTW, all founding fathers were pre-Darwin.
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#29794
Dec 5, 2012
 
TSF wrote:
I am not sure about the amount of scientific knowledge St Thomas Aquinas had, but his statement reveals that he clearly understood why there is a difference between believers and non believers. The church opposition to science has been brutal in the past to protect dogma, which is much different than religion. Much later, Copernicus was deemed a heretic and a fool because he had the audacity to claim that the Earth was not the center of the Universe and that the Earth was revolving around the Sun. Galileo was convicted as a heretic as a result of confirming the ideas of Corponicus and was only post humanously pardoned by the Catholic Church in 1996. Church adherance to dogma has created the carnage, conflict, injustice, horrors,ignorance , etc. That dogma is not religion.
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Imo, it's pointless to "debate" with Mike on any front, ESPECIALLY religion. You're wasting your valuable energy on that subject matter. I wonder what the "course" of conversation is during CHRISTMAS feasts are like? I believe Mike is simply addicted to his prejudices period.

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Dec 5, 2012
 

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Someone sent me this today in reference to Christmas feasts, I like it....

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand and wine in the other,
body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what
a ride!"

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TSF wrote:
I am not sure about the amount of scientific knowledge St Thomas Aquinas had, but his statement reveals that he clearly understood why there is a difference between believers and non believers. The church opposition to science has been brutal in the past to protect dogma, which is much different than religion. Much later, Copernicus was deemed a heretic and a fool because he had the audacity to claim that the Earth was not the center of the Universe and that the Earth was revolving around the Sun. Galileo was convicted as a heretic as a result of confirming the ideas of Corponicus and was only post humanously pardoned by the Catholic Church in 1996. Church adherance to dogma has created the carnage, conflict, injustice, horrors,ignorance , etc. That dogma is not religion.
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That is a great post, purely.

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emlu wrote:
Someone sent me this today in reference to Christmas feasts, I like it....
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand and wine in the other,
body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what
a ride!"
Nice!

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Snore wrote:
<quoted text>Imo, it's pointless to "debate" with Mike on any front, ESPECIALLY religion. You're wasting your valuable energy on that subject matter. I wonder what the "course" of conversation is during CHRISTMAS feasts are like? I believe Mike is simply addicted to his prejudices period.
Profound observation.
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#29799
Dec 6, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Again, look up the word 'communism'. Yes, we have some socialism, thus some of our system has some things in common with communism, but it ends there. And the socialism in communism is far more broad than what we have here.
Just try to have an honest debate. It might make your concerns look legitimate.

comēmuēnism (kmy-nzm)
1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
2. Communism
a. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
b. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
With central government control of business, with the takeover and management of companies by the government. What part of this definition do you not understand?
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#29800
Dec 6, 2012
 
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again, have an honest debate, or all your concerns look suspect. You ignored his point and went for the personal attack. Evidently you have no rebuttal.
So TSF is too much of a coward to stand up for itís self? There is not one thing honest with your debate if that is what you call the junk you put out.
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#29801
Dec 6, 2012
 
TSF wrote:
I favor a flat tax on all income with no loopholes, no subsidies, no incentives,no sweetheart deals , no kickbacks or bid rigging, no exemptions, no exclusions.
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Really! That's good but what happen to the get the rich scam?
TSF

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#29802
Dec 6, 2012
 
I have never advocated soaking the rich. All I want is for them to pay the same tax RATE that everyone else pays. We just can no longer afford welfare/socialism for the rich. I know republikans want to cut social security (which is still self sustaining) so that they can give tax breaks to the rich. That reverse socialism just isn't going to continue because the public is starting to pay attention to what happens their money.
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Really! That's good but what happen to the get the rich scam?
TSF

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#29803
Dec 6, 2012
 
Republikans can't lead, cant follow and can't get out of the way. Republikans are so accustomed to obstructing that they are now refusing to raise taxes on the rich to avoid raising taxes even more on the rich --and everyone else. Does anyone see a disconnect in that logic?
This is kind of a parallel the the pre election decision by republikans to present a presidential candidate who would force their prejudicial evangelical Christians to chose between voting for a Christian or the white guy.
But then , no one has actually accused republicans of being logical.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
TSF wrote:
I have never advocated soaking the rich. All I want is for them to pay the same tax RATE that everyone else pays. We just can no longer afford welfare/socialism for the rich. I know republikans want to cut social security (which is still self sustaining) so that they can give tax breaks to the rich. That reverse socialism just isn't going to continue because the public is starting to pay attention to what happens their money.
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So, is it that you think the public has not been paying attention to what has been happening to their money? Please explain "welfare/socialism for the rich".

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#29805
Dec 6, 2012
 
TSF wrote:
Republikans can't lead, cant follow and can't get out of the way. Republikans are so accustomed to obstructing that they are now refusing to raise taxes on the rich to avoid raising taxes even more on the rich --and everyone else. Does anyone see a disconnect in that logic?
This is kind of a parallel the the pre election decision by republikans to present a presidential candidate who would force their prejudicial evangelical Christians to chose between voting for a Christian or the white guy.
But then , no one has actually accused republicans of being logical.
Are you opposed to first cutting wasteful programs, shrimp on treadmills, so to speak, and then raising taxes. I, think there are "wasteful" programs out there that have been funded for so long that they may be outdated.
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#29806
Dec 6, 2012
 
Yes. I ,TSF , am very afraid--- that republikans will perpetuate ignorance and limit our future by destroying public education,---that republikans will destroy religious freedom in the USA by codifying their religion into law,--that republikans will continue to crush working people with taxes that the rich escape,-- that republikans will continue allow foreign corporate owners to buy our elections,-- that republikans will continue giving away our natural resources (oil, coal, timber, gas etc),---that the republikan party's corruption will so weaken the party that they become unable to balance and oppose some of the democrat party's left wind nut ideas.
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So TSF is too much of a coward to stand up for itís self? There is not one thing honest with your debate if that is what you call the junk you put out.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>Are you opposed to first cutting wasteful programs, shrimp on treadmills, so to speak, and then raising taxes. I, think there are "wasteful" programs out there that have been funded for so long that they may be outdated.
Sorry about replying to my own post, but this link is outdated, it's from 2005, but it shows some funded programs that are just stupid. Maybe Washington should start here and the look at raising taxes.

http://funding-programs.idilogic.aidpage.com/
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#29808
Dec 6, 2012
 
Unfortunately, the public and congress has been unable to comprehend the enormity of our debt problem. I see congressmen speaking with obvious ignorance of the difference between debt and deficit. I see continued blind faith trust in the discredited "voodoo economics" idea that cutting taxes raises tax revenues. Our members of congress are too old to still believe in the tooth fairy. Now we are at the point that we either work together to right the ship or all sink with it.
Welfare/socialism to the rich? We are giving away 1.3 trillion dollars annually to the rich in loopholes, subsidies, exemptions, exclusions, incentives, no bid contracts, etc. By contrast, the total cost of all the payout to baby mommas, all the unemployed, all the WIC, all the food stamps, etc (all social programs combined) is less than 0.8 trillion dollars.
It doesn't matter if I oppose it or not, the reality is that socialism to the rich and poor has to stop in order to get our house in order. It would be nice if the tooth fairy was right and we could get out by just starving the poor or by soaking the rich. Unfortunately, we have to do both. Taking monetary policy away from the federal reserve bank will also be necessary but very politically messy. The last president to attempt that was JFK. We would not be in this present mess if he had been sucessful.
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<quoted text>So, is it that you think the public has not been paying attention to what has been happening to their money? Please explain "welfare/socialism for the rich".
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#29809
Dec 6, 2012
 
Those are astoundingly stupid but represent only a drop in an ocean of theft fraud, subsidies, loopholes, exemptions, incentives, etc.

For example: In NC state government, 3 cents of every tax dollar goes to corporate incentives with no assurance that jobs will be creatd.
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry about replying to my own post, but this link is outdated, it's from 2005, but it shows some funded programs that are just stupid. Maybe Washington should start here and the look at raising taxes.
http://funding-programs.idilogic.aidpage.com/

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#29810
Dec 6, 2012
 
TSF you are very intelligent.Too smart to run for office...

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over there.

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#29811
Dec 6, 2012
 
Makin bacon wrote:
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Number three, if Bacon spoke for you, you would know how to spell the number, "two".
o my fking god bacon, your so clever. Like I give a damn about my grammar after working on a thesis for 2 hrs.

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over there.

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Dec 6, 2012
 
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Religion flew those planes into the WTC? Thought it was a bunch of fanatical Saudis...People always gonna find a reason to justify their evil....
fanatical and extremist muslims declaring holy war on America and believing that their martydom was justified.

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