Who do you support for U.S. Senate in...
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#25702 Oct 28, 2012
I know facts do not matter to republikans but:

The war in Afghanistan started on Oct 7, 2001
The war in Iraq started March 20, 2003
Barack Obama was elected in Ill Nov. 2004
Obama was elected president in 2008 and took office Jan 20, 2009
Makin bacon wrote:
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Yes Obama was before the war in Iraq before he decided as POTUS to carry the war over to Afghanistan. I guess he was against war before he was for it.
As far as being judged a racist by whomever "we" is on here and that very well may be you and that mouse in your pocket, I don't care. I said what I said and I stand by it. If you don't like it, in your words "too damned bad."

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#25703 Oct 28, 2012
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, he may have inherited the war in Afghanistan; however, initially, he didn't do much to stop it, he helped add to it.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/200...
Republicans are the people who advocated terrorists as the greatest of all threats to our natiion during the Bush years. Now that Obama continues the war to fight terrorists, I guess it is not as important an issue to you guys anymore. Do you think Obama knows the situation in Afghanistan better than you or I and makes decisions based on that information? As for me personally, I would love to see us out of there.

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#25704 Oct 28, 2012
Wonder why Mitt Romney insists on not raising taxes on the wealthy, claiming they are the job producers.....Yet, after 11 years of lowered taxes, it is clear that they have not produced, even close to the amount of jobs necessary to sustain America.....When cornered on this false promise, Romney and his fellow republicans point to President Obama yelling, it's all his fault.....

Since: Dec 11

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#25705 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
This bleeding heart liberal is more concerned about the $1.3 trillion taken from the treasury by the deadbeat rich each year.
If undeserving deadbeat poor scammers comprise even 10% of the total 0.8 trillion cost of all social programs combined, the rich deadbeat scammers are taking 1625% more money out of the US treasury each year than the poor.
But myopic republikans cannot see the huge amounts taken by the rich because the rich are vacationing in the Caymans on your dime. Meanwhile , you piss and moan about 1/16 th that amount taken by the getto thugs and baby mommas . If you are really concerned about theft from the treasury, you would focus on the real theives, the deadbeat rich. YOu focus on the poor because you buy the horse shit fed to you by the beckerheads..
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TSF, I don't what your occupation is, therefore I can't speak to what you see that's wrong or right about your occupation. I don't piss and moan because of horse shit fed to my by beckerheads, I worked and saw it first hand for quite a few years. I would give you one month working at a DSS to see how your money is pissed away and then you may have a somewhat different perspective about entitlements. I can't speak to the extremely wealthy, how they make their money, invest their money or what they do with it, but at least they're working and paying for their lifestyle. They don't make the tax laws, so why go off on people that are using the laws provided by the government? Abuse of welfare is not legal, unfortunately for your argument, tax loopholes are. I have a question to ask you, is making the rich pay more in taxes going to make abuse of entitlement programs change? TSF, I guess you read the article I posted, this is the mindset of people living off somebody else's dollar, do you find this ok? Two wrongs don't make a right. Have you ever thought the rich, per you, that don't pay enough taxes may actually have businesses that would employ those on welfare and help them? Would you not agree both the taxation of the rich which you have a problem with and the abuse of welfare I have a problem with both need an overhaul?

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#25706 Oct 28, 2012
oops, should have said fed to"me" by beckerheads...

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#25707 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
I know facts do not matter to republikans but:
The war in Afghanistan started on Oct 7, 2001
The war in Iraq started March 20, 2003
Barack Obama was elected in Ill Nov. 2004
Obama was elected president in 2008 and took office Jan 20, 2009
<quoted text>
TSF, I posted an article with these statistics. Thanks for reiterating them to a Republican that posted them before you did.

Since: Dec 11

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#25708 Oct 28, 2012
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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Republicans are the people who advocated terrorists as the greatest of all threats to our natiion during the Bush years. Now that Obama continues the war to fight terrorists, I guess it is not as important an issue to you guys anymore. Do you think Obama knows the situation in Afghanistan better than you or I and makes decisions based on that information? As for me personally, I would love to see us out of there.
Arnold, at one time I thought Obama knew about foreign policy but after Libya, no. When he can stand and watch an American diplomat and 3 other Americans be killed and has the drone footage to prove it and doesn't make a call for back-up, he doesn't know jack IMO. He supposedly saw the events unfold and so did his foreign policy advisors and their best plan was to do nothing? Excuse me, could these be the same advisors that told GW about the WMD's?

I would love to see us out of there too.
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#25709 Oct 28, 2012
I have seen some of the entitlement cheats who steal thousands from our treasury. That does not please me in any way nor is there an excuse for them. But for our society to focus on the poor while letting a few rich steal billions, and do 16 times as much damage to our financial existence just does not make sense. The "job creator" myth is exactly the horse shit to which I am referring. I employ people because they have the ability to help me make money by doing work that I do not have time to get done, no other reason. It certainly isn't because I am a benevolent "job creator" and any employer who claims otherwise is being deceptive.
My question is why you would support massive socialism for the rich but vehemently oppose a much smaller program for the poor.
I do not want to soak the rich, just make them pay the same percentage of income as I do.
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, I don't what your occupation is, therefore I can't speak to what you see that's wrong or right about your occupation. I don't piss and moan because of horse shit fed to my by beckerheads, I worked and saw it first hand for quite a few years. I would give you one month working at a DSS to see how your money is pissed away and then you may have a somewhat different perspective about entitlements. I can't speak to the extremely wealthy, how they make their money, invest their money or what they do with it, but at least they're working and paying for their lifestyle. They don't make the tax laws, so why go off on people that are using the laws provided by the government? Abuse of welfare is not legal, unfortunately for your argument, tax loopholes are. I have a question to ask you, is making the rich pay more in taxes going to make abuse of entitlement programs change? TSF, I guess you read the article I posted, this is the mindset of people living off somebody else's dollar, do you find this ok? Two wrongs don't make a right. Have you ever thought the rich, per you, that don't pay enough taxes may actually have businesses that would employ those on welfare and help them? Would you not agree both the taxation of the rich which you have a problem with and the abuse of welfare I have a problem with both need an overhaul?
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#25710 Oct 28, 2012
Just trying to remind you. With the distortion of time lines, I thought you were suffering from a Romnesia attack.. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days.. When Romney was running for governor of Mass, he became a left wing liberal but when elected , he became a moderate, but when speaking to TP , he was a right wing nut "severely" conservative, but in the last debate he was again moderate. Who is Mitt Romney? I would like to see a debate between Romney the conservative and Romney the moderate.,
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, I posted an article with these statistics. Thanks for reiterating them to a Republican that posted them before you did.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#25711 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
I have seen some of the entitlement cheats who steal thousands from our treasury. That does not please me in any way nor is there an excuse for them. But for our society to focus on the poor while letting a few rich steal billions, and do 16 times as much damage to our financial existence just does not make sense. The "job creator" myth is exactly the horse shit to which I am referring. I employ people because they have the ability to help me make money by doing work that I do not have time to get done, no other reason. It certainly isn't because I am a benevolent "job creator" and any employer who claims otherwise is being deceptive.
My question is why you would support massive socialism for the rich but vehemently oppose a much smaller program for the poor.
I do not want to soak the rich, just make them pay the same percentage of income as I do.
<quoted text>
TSF, by your own admission you employee people to make more for you, so what's your problem and apparently you don't care if it could help get people off public assistance, unemployment etc, you like making that money and to heck if helps the "poor" you're so worried about. Gee and you call the republicans greedy? Do you use loopholes, tax breaks, whatever you want to call them on your tax returns? We'll agree to disagree about the "small amount given to the poor" ideal you've bought in to.

I did find a quote I thought was interesting and let me guess, you weren't a big Abraham Lincoln fan:

quote
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them,
what they could and should do for themselves.

- Abraham Lincoln

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#25712 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
Been there , done that. My employees enjoy the same benefits I have enjoyed. With only a few individual exceptions over years, they have been most productive and diligent because they share in profits and know their efforts will be rewarded. They trust me and I trust them. There have been times when I continued to pay them even though I was at times revenue neutral or in some few times even losing money. The employees are the most valuable asset because they produce what I am selling. I cannot provide all the benefits you list and remain profitable, but if I get it, so do they.
<quoted text>
Sole proprietor or LLP?
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#25713 Oct 28, 2012
If you work or worked at DSS, I want to thank you for your contribution. The DSS case workers have case overloads and are expected to accomplish the near impossible with slim resources.
The case details are often heart rending and it takes strong individuals to deal with some of these folks and the tragic details of their lives. Dont let the squalor of the low lifes who are just breathing up good air overshadow the good that you have/are accomplishing. Many of these people just need a helping hand and guidance.
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, I don't what your occupation is, therefore I can't speak to what you see that's wrong or right about your occupation. I don't piss and moan because of horse shit fed to my by beckerheads, I worked and saw it first hand for quite a few years. I would give you one month working at a DSS to see how your money is pissed away and then you may have a somewhat different perspective about entitlements. I can't speak to the extremely wealthy, how they make their money, invest their money or what they do with it, but at least they're working and paying for their lifestyle. They don't make the tax laws, so why go off on people that are using the laws provided by the government? Abuse of welfare is not legal, unfortunately for your argument, tax loopholes are. I have a question to ask you, is making the rich pay more in taxes going to make abuse of entitlement programs change? TSF, I guess you read the article I posted, this is the mindset of people living off somebody else's dollar, do you find this ok? Two wrongs don't make a right. Have you ever thought the rich, per you, that don't pay enough taxes may actually have businesses that would employ those on welfare and help them? Would you not agree both the taxation of the rich which you have a problem with and the abuse of welfare I have a problem with both need an overhaul?

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#25714 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
This bleeding heart liberal is more concerned about the $1.3 trillion taken from the treasury by the deadbeat rich each year.
If undeserving deadbeat poor scammers comprise even 10% of the total 0.8 trillion cost of all social programs combined, the rich deadbeat scammers are taking 1625% more money out of the US treasury each year than the poor.
But myopic republikans cannot see the huge amounts taken by the rich because the rich are vacationing in the Caymans on your dime. Meanwhile , you piss and moan about 1/16 th that amount taken by the getto thugs and baby mommas . If you are really concerned about theft from the treasury, you would focus on the real theives, the deadbeat rich. YOu focus on the poor because you buy the horse shit fed to you by the beckerheads..
<quoted text>
Well, here is an idea. You can voluntarily pay more taxes if you like. Help America and those in need.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#25715 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
Been there , done that. My employees enjoy the same benefits I have enjoyed. With only a few individual exceptions over years, they have been most productive and diligent because they share in profits and know their efforts will be rewarded. They trust me and I trust them. There have been times when I continued to pay them even though I was at times revenue neutral or in some few times even losing money. The employees are the most valuable asset because they produce what I am selling. I cannot provide all the benefits you list and remain profitable, but if I get it, so do they.
<quoted text>
Just so you guys are clear...

This is the key phrase in this posting...

"I cannot provide all the benefits you list and remain profitable"

Again, it is always about the money. Anyone who says it is not, doesn't have any.
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#25716 Oct 28, 2012
I completely agree with Mr Lincoln. I have called republikans, stupid, selfish, myopic, juvenile, corrupt, dispicable,unpatriotic, communistic , etc. but not greedy. I do not seek to destroy the rich, just make them pay the same tax RATE that I pay. I advocate thrift by taking away socialism to the rich. I pay taxes on earned income as well as investment income. All I want is for everyone to pay the same tax rate. I just see it as immoral to give huge amounts of free money to the rich who don't need it and resent paltry awards to the poor who do need it. I empathize with the poor but do not pity them. I understand motives of the rich but do not admire or resent them for their wealth. I see no reason to excuse the rich or poor from taxes. That is my basic disagreement with both parties.
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
TSF, by your own admission you employee people to make more for you, so what's your problem and apparently you don't care if it could help get people off public assistance, unemployment etc, you like making that money and to heck if helps the "poor" you're so worried about. Gee and you call the republicans greedy? Do you use loopholes, tax breaks, whatever you want to call them on your tax returns? We'll agree to disagree about the "small amount given to the poor" ideal you've bought in to.
I did find a quote I thought was interesting and let me guess, you weren't a big Abraham Lincoln fan:
quote
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them,
what they could and should do for themselves.
- Abraham Lincoln

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#25717 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
I have seen some of the entitlement cheats who steal thousands from our treasury. That does not please me in any way nor is there an excuse for them. But for our society to focus on the poor while letting a few rich steal billions, and do 16 times as much damage to our financial existence just does not make sense. The "job creator" myth is exactly the horse shit to which I am referring. I employ people because they have the ability to help me make money by doing work that I do not have time to get done, no other reason. It certainly isn't because I am a benevolent "job creator" and any employer who claims otherwise is being deceptive.
My question is why you would support massive socialism for the rich but vehemently oppose a much smaller program for the poor.
I do not want to soak the rich, just make them pay the same percentage of income as I do.
<quoted text>
If this is what you truly believe, then where is the motivation for entrepreneurship? One of the big reasons for the progressive tax rate is for the lower tax rates as you make more money. Even if you pay taxes at a lesser rate, you still pay in more monetarily wise. Hence why people are always dreaming big for the sucess and money. Your proposal sounds close to a communist or socialist state of government, not a democracy or republic.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#25718 Oct 28, 2012
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama inherited the war in Afghanistan from Bush. He ended the war in Iraq.
Leaving Iraq was a tremendous mistake.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#25719 Oct 28, 2012
TSF wrote:
I completely agree with Mr Lincoln. I have called republikans, stupid, selfish, myopic, juvenile, corrupt, dispicable,unpatriotic, communistic , etc. but not greedy. I do not seek to destroy the rich, just make them pay the same tax RATE that I pay. I advocate thrift by taking away socialism to the rich. I pay taxes on earned income as well as investment income. All I want is for everyone to pay the same tax rate. I just see it as immoral to give huge amounts of free money to the rich who don't need it and resent paltry awards to the poor who do need it. I empathize with the poor but do not pity them. I understand motives of the rich but do not admire or resent them for their wealth. I see no reason to excuse the rich or poor from taxes. That is my basic disagreement with both parties.
<quoted text>
All mere opinion.
TSF

Fayetteville, NC

#25720 Oct 28, 2012
While I agree with his statements and admire his writings, I was never a great admirer of Mr Lincoln himself. He essentially cancelled the US constitution by suspending habeus corpus and he was a republikan.
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
TSF, by your own admission you employee people to make more for you, so what's your problem and apparently you don't care if it could help get people off public assistance, unemployment etc, you like making that money and to heck if helps the "poor" you're so worried about. Gee and you call the republicans greedy? Do you use loopholes, tax breaks, whatever you want to call them on your tax returns? We'll agree to disagree about the "small amount given to the poor" ideal you've bought in to.
I did find a quote I thought was interesting and let me guess, you weren't a big Abraham Lincoln fan:
quote
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them,
what they could and should do for themselves.
- Abraham Lincoln

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#25721 Oct 28, 2012
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so you guys are clear...
This is the key phrase in this posting...
"I cannot provide all the benefits you list and remain profitable"
Again, it is always about the money. Anyone who says it is not, doesn't have any.
There is certainly nothing wrong with being wealthy, but I would contend that true happiness and contentment in life is derived from many other sources where money is not involved. Would you agree or disagree with that statement?

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