Golden Gate Bridge suicide barrier ready to go, money needed

Full story: Marin Independent Journal

Golden Gate Bridge directors on Friday gave a landmark approval to a suicide barrier for the span, setting the stage for construction if money can be found.
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tramky

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#86
Mar 1, 2010
 
What reckoning is that, whatisit? FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS is NOT cost effective, it is a money grab by the bridge district. They are unwilling to spend their own operating funds on this supposedly important project, but are quite happy to take donations from the people. How nice is that?!

If this is SO important, why don't YOU demand that it be funded out of the District's operating budget?

Barring that, it could be YEARS before a net or any other barrier is installed.$50 million is a LOT of money when you are just taking donations. Especially for a wrong-headed and exorbitant project.

I have never been in favor of this or any other suicide project on the GG Bridge. It is misguided, too expensive, will cause more problems and expense, and few people who understand the facts want it.

I have challenged those who supposedly support the net on here: if the net is installed and a single jumper uses the net as a platform to jump, agree to demand that the net be removed immediately.

Jumpers will quickly recognize that using the net at a platform gets them out of reach of would-be rescuers and those would would try to convince them not to jump. No one is going to go down on that net to keep someone from crawling to the edge and rolling off of it. I'd be willing to bet the the District establishes a policy that will prohibit all district employees, police, and fire rescue people from going on the net in an attempt to stop someone from jumping or rolling off it.
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#87
Mar 1, 2010
 
Tramky, when you get worked up you don't make a lot of sense, as with this quote of yours below. If the net goes up, it's going to stay up because it WILL stop people. Nets like these are already up in other locations and proven to work. Your comments show you aren't very informed about how the net is intended to work. The Bridge District has a site devoted to public education on this:
http://www.ggbsuicidebarrier.org/
You need to read up on it before trashing it.

Tramky:...I have challenged those who supposedly support the net on here: if the net is installed and a single jumper uses the net as a platform to jump, agree to demand that the net be removed immediately.
Jumpers will quickly recognize that using the net at a platform .....QUOTE]
Whats Next

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#88
Mar 1, 2010
 
So, do we net all bridges in the Bay Area? If someone wants to kill themselves they will find a way, not that I would wish that on anyone, but...
How about spending $50 million on mental health services to help depressed people solve their problems?
Koalabear2525

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#89
Mar 1, 2010
 
wait they lie again how much its going to cost for up keep and repair of net . show proof that it will work .

Since: Feb 10

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#90
Mar 1, 2010
 
What.s next BART station platform barriers,A fifty foot fence around Cal Trains,A fence at Ocean Beach keeping us away from the Ocean,Nets Around All Tall buildings in the financial district,Nets on Freeway overcrossings,Banning FAST FOODS(had to throw it in)Many Many things and places are Hazardous and if one wishes for death and drama they will usually get their wish,unless it is just a plea for attention,IMAGINE THAT.Yes I am a heartless a-hole and I really think IT IS A WASTE OF MONEY.
tramky

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#91
Mar 1, 2010
 
No, you can NOT prove a negative. You can NOT demonstrate that someone--anyone--did NOT commit suicide because they went to the Bridge & saw a net. And I can NOT prove that someone who killed themselves first tried to jump off the Bridge, saw the net, and went elsewhere.

Currently in the news, the son of Marie Osmond just committed suicide by jumping off a building in L.A. Apparently the suicide 'magnet' known as the Golden Gate Bridge was of no interest to him--he went for convenience. I guess you can erect a net around the building every couple of stories to keep people from killing themselves. On EVERY high-rise apartment building, in every city, in every state, in every country in the world. I mean, preventing suicide is IMPORTANT, isn't it?! Nets EVERYWHERE, around EVERYTHING!

The worst indictment against this kind of thinking, against this kind of project, this kind of expenditure: is the world supposed to be designed, structured & financed around the psychological minefields and emotional canyons of the clinically depressed?

It's been said before: the world is for the living. Not for the dead and NOT for those who prefer to be dead rather than alive.

This thinking, this plan, this waste of money is an enormous FRAUD! Watch out for the proponents of this scheme. They want YOUR money while telling you how important it is. And they APPLAUDED when the District Board of Directors announced their support for the idea, but refused to provide any money to put this great scheme in place.

This is a feel-good notion, and the Bridge District directors know it, which is why they profess support but will NOT commit any money to put this scheme into existence on their bridge.

The truth is right before your eyes. Are you able to see it?
WhatIsIt

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#92
Mar 2, 2010
 
Tramky, Marie's son jumped on impulse. That is what the barrier on the bridge will prevent. It's a suicide magnet. Many of the suicides there are impulsive. We aren't talking about netting everything, just the Bridge. A barrier will work and has worked elsewhere and people who are stopped at the Bridge rarely go jump elsewhere. That's the truth. You don't make much sense when you say "proponents of the scheme..want my money"
We aren't talking Bernie Madoff here. You just can't back that up with anything all - there isn't even a whiff of fraud. It's silly.

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#93
Mar 2, 2010
 
tramky, you're losing your temper by name calling and making assumptions about me. I'm not sure what "posting ID info" you are refering to, but i'll enlighten you, cause you have an overactive immagination. I do not wander from town to town unless i'm going to some place outside of the town I live in (San Rafael). I do not panhandle or dumpster dive, I work in SF Mon - Fri... a pretty standard 9-5 type job with a company i've been with since 2000 when I got out of the military. It pays enough for me to be a homeowner in San Rafael, but not enough to live in Belvedere on the water with my own private yaht. I commute into work various ways, depending on the weather, traffic, what I need to do after or before work, or just how i'm feeling that day. I take the ferry, bus, drive, ride a motorcycle, and sometimes ride a bike in conjuction with the ferry or bus. Sometimes I take the GG bridge, while other times I go through the east bay and take the Richmond and Bay bridges.

I'm not 100% sold on this net as you seem to think I am... but i'm not 100% against it either. I really don't know enough about it to have a solid opinion... however, what I do have a strong opinion about is that closing the bridge to pedestrians and bicycles is a lame idea... and a lame idea that you suggested. I'm sorry it offended you to the point where you have to name call and create crazy stories about me, shows your lack of self control. So, tell us about yourself tramky... what's your life like? I see your in vallejo (i'm sorry)... and can understand why you may have a constant chip on your shoulder considering the area.
tramky

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#94
Mar 2, 2010
 
Whatisit must be Marie Osmond's son's psychiatrist. How else would he/she know the kid jumped on impulse. From what's been in the news, the kid was clinically depressed since childhood--for several years at least.

For some reason whatisit only wants to 'net the bridge'. How heartless. There are buildings & cliffs all over town, all over the state, all over the world, that people leap from, but this guy only wants to prevent suicides at this one location.

And he wants to spend FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS of YOUR money to do it, when spending probably half that for psychological/psychiatric tracking, counseling & treatment.

What a waste to blow that much money on steel netting & brackets & powerwashers to blast the bird crap off net--Oh, way, can't do that--it will make a mess down below! Uh-oh, to blow the bird crapoff the net they'll have to design install a huge tarpauling to catch the water & bird crap from the powerwashing. Oh, geez, we didn't think of that.

I saw the simulated images of the net installation, and I've watched video of jumpers on the bridge. Most of them seem to climb over the rail, then climb down onto the support steelwork below the level of the sidewalk--walking around, looking down, looking up, checking out the situation. Jumpers will climb down, find a way onto the net, and be safe from those who would intervene.

There was even one video of a jumper whose jacket was grabbed a guy on the walkway above, pulled up and hauled back over the rail. That won't happen with the net--jumpers will get into it and will be too distant for anyone to intervene.

People need to actually look at what is proposed, look at videos of actual jumpers on YouTube to see their actual actions & behaviors. Until you see the reality of suicide jumpers, you may fall for this scam.
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#95
Mar 2, 2010
 
Tramky, you say "Jumpers will climb down, find a way onto the net, and be safe from those who would intervene" but you're getting desperate for arguments. Look at videos of jumpers all you want (and my guess is, you've looked at a lot of them) but what you won't see is "a way down." The net is 20 feet down - ain't no way to shinny down.

So, there was one video of a jacket being grabbed. That's been used as an argument by police FOR a net on a Southern California bridge after one office nearly died trying to grab a jacket.
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#96
Mar 2, 2010
 
Tramky, I don't need to be Marie's son Michael's psychiatrist to have an opinion more informed than yours that impulse played a part in Michael's death. See what his roommate had to say:

Sean Srnik, who lived with Marie Osmond's late son Michael Blosil in L.A., says "everything seemed fine" before the 18-year old abruptly took his life Friday night.
In an exclusive interview with Entertainment Tonight, Srnik says he was
stunned to later hear that Blosil -- a student at the Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising -- had jumped from the eighth floor of their 15-story L.A. apartment building. Srnik describes Blosil as "the happiest, most fun guy I've met in my life. It's something I would never expect from somebody like this."

tramky

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#97
Mar 2, 2010
 
There is still NO comment about the fact that the Golden Gate Bridge District board will NOT finance this scheme with operating funds? Why not? What do they know about this? Why isn't this important

And I still don't hear any agreement on the suggestion to have the net removed if someone gets onto the net and then jumps from or rolls off the net. Why? Because if that happens then the entire fallacy of this scheme will be revealed, and it should then be removed to avoid further expense & future maintenance costs (and risks, by the way) that would be incurred forever. And more importantly, the false promise of this scheme must be eliminated.

The proponents of this misguided plan are like plenty of people who are willing to place a bet with someone else's money. The consequences of this huge modification to this great structure are not understood, and there will be unintended consequences that will either cost even MORE money to mitigate,or will wreck the experience of being on the bridge.

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#98
Mar 3, 2010
 
This is like saying if somebody dies in a car accident while wearing a seatbelt, we should repeal the seatbelt law to avoid further discomfort and cost to vehicles... but to do so would reveal the falacy that seatbelts save lives.

How about if a single person jumps, lands in the net, and doesn't jump or roll from the net, then the net stays forever, because it's been proven to work. What should happen if 2 people jump, and one stays in the net, while one rolls out of it on purpose? I guess that's still proof that the nets reduce but not eliminate suicide, so you lose again if that happens.

If you're gonna argue the net, then argue the cost only... cause there is really nothing more for you to debate about. You know that it will help reduce suicides, that's not even a question... the only thing you can legitimately debate is if the cost is worth the reduction in suicides.

I personally feel that 50mil is a lot... and if 50mil can be spent other ways to save more lives, then the net is not a good use of money.
tramky wrote:
...And I still don't hear any agreement on the suggestion to have the net removed if someone gets onto the net and then jumps from or rolls off the net. Why? Because if that happens then the entire fallacy of this scheme will be revealed, and it should then be removed to avoid further expense & future maintenance costs (and risks, by the way) that would be incurred forever. And more importantly, the false promise of this scheme must be eliminated...
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#99
Mar 3, 2010
 
Tramky, Why comment on your finances rants - none of them make any sense - especially the one about it being fraud.

A barrier on the Golden Gate isn't a "bet" - you can read the study on Bern net: Securing a Suicide Hot Spot: Effects of a Safety Net at the Bern Muenster Terrace- it works.

We already disagreed @ removing the net if ONE person "rolls off" - even the District believes it couldn't be fool-proof - that still stops 20 - 40 people a year from the grotesque spectacle of a swan dive to their deaths.

As someone else has said, "if golden retrievers where going to the bridge and jumping, we'd put up a net in no time." That puts things into perspective. When the baby toppled thru the opening between sidewalk and roadbed, the opening was closed with no discussion about defiling the view or the design or the money spent.

Will let you have the last word on this - it's obvious you want it pretty badly. Take care.
tramky

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#100
Mar 3, 2010
 
Ha! Your magnanimity is simply breathtaking. The arrogance displayed by those who are so eager to spend FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS of other people's money tells the tale.

And still no comment on why the Bridge District refuses to pay for this 'important' feature out of operating funds. Again I ask, what do they know about this that you do not?

They don't have the guts to raise the toll another dollar, that's why. They know that the outcry would be tremendous.
tramky

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#101
Mar 3, 2010
 
There is nothing more to say about this subject right now, so that's the end of it for me.

All this talk of death is depressing. If I have to endure any more of it I might kill myself.
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#102
Mar 4, 2010
 
lol!!!!! not until OUR SCHOOLS CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TEACHERS!!!!! JESUS CHRIST- WHAT EFFING MORONS ARE RUNNING THIS PLACE!!???

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Mar 11, 2010
 
tramky wrote:
There is nothing more to say about this subject right now, so that's the end of it for me.
All this talk of death is depressing. If I have to endure any more of it I might kill myself.
better hurry before they build the barrier with money they will steal from you.
tramky

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#104
Mar 11, 2010
 
Cal native speaks. Another troll. Flip the 'ignore' switch.

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Mar 12, 2010
 
tramky wrote:
Cal native speaks. Another troll. Flip the 'ignore' switch.
speak for yourself.
You made a sarcastic statement I responded with an equally sarcastic response, Oddly enough we are on the same side of this issue and you can't see that.

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