CCWS faces final lap

Feb 20, 2008 Read more: The Indianapolis Star 37
The pending absorption of the Champ Car World Series into the Indy Racing League would bring an ignominious end to an organization that traces its racing history to 1909. Read more
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Phil Kaiser

Kennebunk, ME

#1 Feb 20, 2008
Mr. Ballard:

Are you kidding me? I didn't even finish your article when I started writing this, I was so upset. Your whole premise gives away the fact that you know very little about open wheel racing, which is why I don't read your columns. Let me set you straight, as an avid open wheel fan who grew up in Broad Ripple during the '60s and has followed open wheel racing very closely ever since.

The current entity known as Champ Car World Series CANNOT trace its existence back to 1909. It was actually created out of thin air in 1979, when a group of owners decided open wheel racing wasn't going their way and opted to form a rival sanctioning body to counter the "unfair" United States Auto Club. It was known as Championship Auto Racing Teams. How you came to understand that USAC became CART is beyond me, because USAC continued to exist (still does, in fact), and continued to control the Indy 500 for a few years after the original "split."

And who do you think was USAC? Tony Hulman, that's who. Understand one thing: the Indy 500 IS American open wheel racing (as we're seeing played out right in front of us), and it has never been out of the Hulman family's hands since 1945, so actually it's the Indy Racing League who continues the traditions from 1909, NOT the CCWS! Please do more research before treading on hallowed ground again.

Sincerely,

Phil Kaiser
Searsport, Maine
Bababooey

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Feb 20, 2008
I agree with Phil. Champ Car (OWRS, or whatever it's called anymore) has no claim to the history of the Indianapolis 500, and consequently its history dating back to 1909. CART was formed in 1979, and they sanctioned all IndyCar events except for the Indianapolis 500, and that was done by USAC (and AAA before them). So, if they merely raced at the 500, that was not sanctioned by CART, how can you claim a connection that goes back nearly a hundred years. By your assessment, this link to the past died in 1996 when they ran the US 500 in Michigan instead of the Indianapolis 500.
Johnny B Goode

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Feb 20, 2008
Juan, maybe you'll understand much better if your face were scraped off the Borg-Warner Trophy!

Indy is everything ... just ask Mario, AJ, Sam and Dario.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#4 Feb 20, 2008
You guys are right on..."Champ Car" is simply a knickname for a type of car; a Championship Car. There is no way it was a Series of any kind, let alone a term in the racing lexicon as this story implies. Very misleading article.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#5 Feb 20, 2008
I should correct myself...no way it was a Series of any kind in 1909...
Indy RIP 1911-1995

Hamilton, OH

#6 Feb 20, 2008
I think NASCAR is a little worried about a unified Indy Car series. They sure took any opportunity to trash OWR and Indy over the SpeedWeeks coverage. It wont happen overnight, but I think OWR will be back quicker than most think!
CareerLeader

Louisville, KY

#7 Feb 20, 2008
I think it's a fair statement.

What started in 1909 evolved in many ways. It's fair to say that champ car was can trace it's roots to the events that made that first race happen.

Of course, Indy can trace it's roots to that same point as well, right?

Arguing that champcar can't trace it's roots back to that date is like arguing that only one person can possibly trace their roots back to Thomas Jefferson.

The writer never claimed that champcar started in 1909... he stated that it evolved from that point. There's a big difference.
marioa69

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Feb 20, 2008
Ganassi, who won four consecutive CART championships from 1996-99 with Jimmy Vasser, Alex Zanardi and Juan Pablo Montoya, said a return to one series is long overdue

Chip is right on this, everybody in open wheel racing has made mistakes TC-CART-CCWS. If the 800 pound gorilla is ever going to be laid to rest unification is imminent. No is the time for all the ego's to be laid aside and move forward with one series. It may not be everything we want tomorrow, but open wheeled racing needs to walk again before run. Let's get back under one umbrella then we can make the neccessary changes for the series that we the fans desire and deserve. I personally want the electricity in the air, the buzz on Memorial day at 16th and Georgetown that Mr. Hulman provided us for many years, if you never experienced it you have no idea what I am talking about. Let's start by realizing that NATCAR is not racing in our eyes and that unification will a least be the beginning to great open wheel racing in lieu of two mediocre series.
Johnny B Goode

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Feb 20, 2008
marioa69 wrote:
Ganassi, who won four consecutive CART championships from 1996-99 with Jimmy Vasser, Alex Zanardi and Juan Pablo Montoya, said a return to one series is long overdue
Chip is right on this, everybody in open wheel racing has made mistakes TC-CART-CCWS. If the 800 pound gorilla is ever going to be laid to rest unification is imminent. No is the time for all the ego's to be laid aside and move forward with one series. It may not be everything we want tomorrow, but open wheeled racing needs to walk again before run. Let's get back under one umbrella then we can make the neccessary changes for the series that we the fans desire and deserve. I personally want the electricity in the air, the buzz on Memorial day at 16th and Georgetown that Mr. Hulman provided us for many years, if you never experienced it you have no idea what I am talking about. Let's start by realizing that NATCAR is not racing in our eyes and that unification will a least be the beginning to great open wheel racing in lieu of two mediocre series.
Ahhhhh yes! Jimmy Vasser, the man who said, "Who needs milk?" I guess we now know he did/does!
TW Doyal

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Feb 20, 2008
Ballard can be cut some slack as he's one of the few that actually is aware there was Indy Car racing before the CART boys took over.

Whine Pablum Montoyo is an egotistical cretin who won his only CART championship using Alex Zanardi's car and Morris Nunn's set ups. Sure, he has "grapefruits" the size of... grapefruits, but that doesn't make him a more talented driver.
Juan po blow

Pendleton, IN

#11 Feb 20, 2008
Montoya will be there in 3 years. Then he'll tell us it's because it is the best racing organization in America. Racing bean berry berry good to me!
Indy RIP 1911-1995

Hamilton, OH

#12 Feb 20, 2008
Can we put an * next to Lazier, Luyendyk (small one since he won a real 500), Cheever ( a huge *) and Brack's names on the Borg Warner Trophy now?
Hey

Michigan City, IN

#13 Feb 20, 2008
If we can also put an * on your inane post.
David Frasco

Salinas, CA

#14 Feb 20, 2008
Derrick Walker and Dale Coyne would probably disagree with Ballard's statement that NHL is "the only holdover form the glory years of CART."

Derrick Walker fielded Robby Gordon and Gil de Ferran during the "glory days," while Dale Coyne put numerous drivers -- including Paul Tracy -- in his cars during the same time frame.
johnel

Toronto, Canada

#15 Feb 20, 2008
The drivers know what the story is.
JPM says it all.
Those who think that one series will heal all are sadly mistaken.

The fact is, the same person is in charge of the IRL that has not been able to increase it's popularity in ten years of trying.
Nothing has changed. Now the IRL faithful will know what champcar fans have known all along.
The problem wasn't CART or champcar, it was the owner of the IRL and his narrow minded view of what open wheel should be.
Gino

Fallon, NV

#16 Feb 20, 2008
Wow, a non-Nascar-related Ballard sighting. ;-)
rollie

Lawrence, KS

#17 Feb 20, 2008
i doubt it i really doubt it, that you jan pablo will ever race at the indy 500 agian, remember what you said in victory lane its just another race. hey jan don't comment on series your not in jack ass. and steve dont quote the jack ass
Juan po blow

Pendleton, IN

#18 Feb 20, 2008
David Frasco wrote:
Derrick Walker and Dale Coyne would probably disagree with Ballard's statement that NHL is "the only holdover form the glory years of CART."
Derrick Walker fielded Robby Gordon and Gil de Ferran during the "glory days," while Dale Coyne put numerous drivers -- including Paul Tracy -- in his cars during the same time frame.
Please do not expect any rational, researched, credible or even timely racing articles from the Scar. If it wasn't for Cavin we'd be getting up to date reviews of the little 500 and that would be about it as far as racing goes.
Juan po blow

Pendleton, IN

#19 Feb 20, 2008
Gino wrote:
Wow, a non-Nascar-related Ballard sighting. ;-)
Off week for bowling and curling.
rollie

Lawrence, KS

#20 Feb 20, 2008
as scott pruett would say" thats just no good low down reporting"

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