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As the twisting and narrow street circuit near downtown Toronto became increasingly treacherous on a rainy Sunday afternoon, Will Power decided it was time to ignore common wisdom and go for it.

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Queers with Beers

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#23
Jul 16, 2007
 
Home-oh wrote:
Will Power, sounds and looks like someone you think you would see in an amateur gay porn.
How would you know that? hahaha.
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Jul 16, 2007
 
IRisLame wrote:
<quoted text>You the lover of the irl oval parades call something boring? Dashley Juddchitti, why did you finish 2nd? well I didn't want wreck trying to pass so I followed the leader all the way. Danicant Patrick, why did you win 3rd. Well because nobody would pull over and let me pass them. So I decided I would win 3rd and then complain every chance I have until the next oval parade. Please, get serious.
IRL oval parades? Do you even watch any IRL races?

In the past 5 years there have been 10 races decided by LESS than .0183 seconds at the finish. And five of those were 1-2-3 finishes! How many close finished has CC had like that? I can't think of any...It's usually a ten second win by Sebastian, who wins all of your races anyway...

And using Nashville as the basis of your argument against the IRL absolutely asinine, and it shows your lack of intelligence and ability to debate logically. Nashville was an anomaly; a rare IRL oval race that lacked action and a lot of passing. But for every Nashville there are at least 5 Texas or Kansas races with tons of passing (for the lead! it CAN be done outside of the pits). Go look at some old IRL races and watch wheel to wheel racing, not follow the leader street parades like in CC. And try learning how to debate sometime while you are at it.

One more thing, it's time for the IRL to get lapped cars out of the way during late race restarts. That ruined yesterday's Nashville finish.
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#25
Jul 16, 2007
 
Home-oh wrote:
Will Power, sounds and looks like someone you think you would see in an amateur gay porn.
Sounds like you have seen a lot of that. But with the IRL ruling your little city maybe that is your next best entertainment option
Open Wheel

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#26
Jul 16, 2007
 
There has been more passing in the champ car races than the IRL races.

Why would you be negative about the other series rather than being positive about your own?

It is two different types of racing, leave it to that. Go spend your dollars at your respective series.

Great to see an article AP or not in the indy star. With all the people employed and living in indianapolis, indy star, and indianapolis should be proud to have such knowledgable and talented engineers, mechanics in our city. Instead these people who call indianapolis our home and are one of the top racing series in the world are shunned by some of their hometown residents.
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Jul 16, 2007
 
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IRL oval parades? Do you even watch any IRL races?
In the past 5 years there have been 10 races decided by LESS than .0183 seconds at the finish. And five of those were 1-2-3 finishes! How many close finished has CC had like that? I can't think of any...It's usually a ten second win by Sebastian, who wins all of your races anyway...
And using Nashville as the basis of your argument against the IRL absolutely asinine, and it shows your lack of intelligence and ability to debate logically. Nashville was an anomaly; a rare IRL oval race that lacked action and a lot of passing. But for every Nashville there are at least 5 Texas or Kansas races with tons of passing (for the lead! it CAN be done outside of the pits). Go look at some old IRL races and watch wheel to wheel racing, not follow the leader street parades like in CC. And try learning how to debate sometime while you are at it.
One more thing, it's time for the IRL to get lapped cars out of the way during late race restarts. That ruined yesterday's Nashville finish.
Iowa and Watkins Glen were pretty parade like.
It happens in motor racing. Do not try to say the IRL is immune
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Jul 16, 2007
 
sluggo wrote:
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IRL oval parades? Do you even watch any IRL races?
In the past 5 years there have been 10 races decided by LESS than .0183 seconds at the finish. And five of those were 1-2-3 finishes! How many close finished has CC had like that? I can't think of any...It's usually a ten second win by Sebastian, who wins all of your races anyway...
And using Nashville as the basis of your argument against the IRL absolutely asinine, and it shows your lack of intelligence and ability to debate logically. Nashville was an anomaly; a rare IRL oval race that lacked action and a lot of passing. But for every Nashville there are at least 5 Texas or Kansas races with tons of passing (for the lead! it CAN be done outside of the pits). Go look at some old IRL races and watch wheel to wheel racing, not follow the leader street parades like in CC. And try learning how to debate sometime while you are at it.
One more thing, it's time for the IRL to get lapped cars out of the way during late race restarts. That ruined yesterday's Nashville finish.
I think the Indystar has twisted the opinion of those living in Indianapolis. First off, both the IRL and Champ Car are a spec series. Champ Car does have an option tire and a push to pass button though. The new Panoz DP01 is a much better car than the Dallara run in the IRL. The road and street circuits have seen some great racing this year; this can be attributed to the new Panoz chassis.
As far as schedules go, it seems that Tony George can not come up with one original idea. There is proof everywhere we look that Tony is not capable of running a series. It is obvious that the original business plan Tony George set forth was a dismal failure at best. Once that was realized by Tony George, the mimicking of Champ Car began. If CART was so terrible why has Tony George decided to race on a lot of the tracks CART used to? Why is he adding street and road courses to the schedule? I wonder if the car owners have something to do with that. These are the same car owners that Tony George despised and broke away from to form the IRL. Even A.J. Foyt refers to the IRL as CART lite. How can a man who copies an existing formula be trusted to run a series. If Champ Car would fall by the wayside, who would Tony copy? Champ Car still has a better group of drivers assembled than the IRL does. Household recognition does not translate into talent. Though it does translate into T.V. ratings. Once a driver gets to the IRL, any aspirations of moving any further are dead. Why do you think Mario would like to see Marco run Champ Car.
Also, look at attendance, if you think Iím joking check out the SPEED site and take notice of the lack of people in the stands. Look at the Glen, numbers were not released but 10K is the highest estimate out there. Did you the all the empty seats at Miami and Milwaukee. Just wait until MIS. Now the IRL is looking to go back to Phoenix where they drew an amazing 5,000 the last time they raced there. Oh! Wait! Champ Car is in Phoenix now, I wonder why Tony wants to be there. Yes, because he only knows how to copy. He has no vision. Other than Portland, Champ Car has decent attendance numbers. Just because TG is copying a proven formula does not make the IRL a better series. Tony is just proving that CART and Champ Car had it right.
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Jul 16, 2007
 
Racer wrote:
I would have to agree with some of the other peoples comments that Champ Car is irrelevent in todays racing landscape. It has become a one dimensional spec series.
I remember a few years ago that CART used to say that they had better drivers over the IRL due to the diverse schedule of road courses, street courses, and ovals. Now the IRL has that kind of schedule so would that make them the better series with the better drivers?
The only reason this article was even written is because the Champ Car offices are located in Indianapolis. You never see Champ Car even mentioned on a national scale other than SPEED and ESPN and that's only because Champ Car buys airtime from them.
Champ car is received better globally than it is nationally. However, CC is also considered a prep series for F1, whereas the IRL is definately not.

Does that make one better than the other. Not really, they cater to different audiences and to different styles of racing.
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#30
Jul 16, 2007
 
I shoulda worn a rubber
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#31
Jul 16, 2007
 
They all subscribe to Bernie Wreckelstones gay porn site that has white female slavery teaching new washing machine techniques while gearshifting with..........

Yes, when the going gets weird, the weird have to turn pro.
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Ouch....how about "Diet Guru".....
of course Yammie would know something about both of those subjects.

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#32
Jul 16, 2007
 
Open Wheel wrote:
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Iowa and Watkins Glen were pretty parade like.
It happens in motor racing. Do not try to say the IRL is immune
I would hardly say Iowa was parade like. There was a very incident filled race with many of the main contenders crashing out. It was maybe the most unpredicatable race of the season.

Watkins Glen had several lead changes and had it not been for a flawless display by Scott Dixon and his crew the result would have been far from conclusive. There was passing further back in the field and a brawl in the pits afterwards. What more can you ask for from a race?
I have to admit I have not watched a Champ Car race since AGR, Ganassi, Rahal and Fernandez jumped ship in 2003. I look forward to a unified open wheel series in the near future. Only then can the fansbase unite to take the sport forward in this very competive market. Both sides would benefit and I hope it happens before one or both lose the interest required to sustain it.
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#33
Jul 16, 2007
 
I am sure Mr. Power's parents did not have racing in mind when they named him, nor did Scott Speed's parents. Let that issue go. As far as the quality of the drivers in this series. They are far better (overall) than what you would find at any IRL event. Seriously, Milka Duno? pfff
ChampCar's DP01 is creating some seriously competitive racing this year with a lot of close action and nice passes that require skill.
Passing in the IRL simply requires pulling into you're own lane and hoping you got the juice to do it. Kinda like highway driving, but I wouldn't call it interesting racing.
At least with NASCAR, they need skill to keep those behemoth's on the track but the IRL has so much downforce that the skill isn't that important. It's like a 200 mile drag race. YAWN.
When real drivers can't get a ride in F-1 they go to ChampCar, why? It's the closest to F-1 out there without the 200 million dollar budgets.
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#34
Jul 16, 2007
 
Come on Champ Car , wave the White Flag and Surrender ! And its time to end this senseless war.

Reunite openwheel racing !
Eric

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#35
Jul 16, 2007
 
Indy Fan in Georgia wrote:
Come on Champ Car , wave the White Flag and Surrender ! And its time to end this senseless war.
Reunite openwheel racing !
Reunite they should. Read above and you'll see why TG should stick with running his little track and stay OUT of any series management role.
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#36
Jul 16, 2007
 
MIS just canned the gIRL. Don't worry though, there are more street parades on the way for you. Just what you always wanted.
Heavyweight Champion

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#37
Jul 17, 2007
 
For the good of OW, champ car neeeds to fold. The onus, and blame, has shifted squarely to their shoulders after reopening after the collapse of cart. They should fold, and apologize to the OW racing community.

And for the record, I am an outside observer, with only casual interest in OW racing. I do not pledge allegieance to the IRL, NASCAR, F1 or anyone else. I'm just drawing this conclusion as an outsider who wants to see OW mean something again.

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