Kim Proctor: Teen's Body Found Burned...

Kim Proctor: Teen's Body Found Burned in Victoria

There are 1901 comments on the NowPublic story from Mar 24, 2010, titled Kim Proctor: Teen's Body Found Burned in Victoria. In it, NowPublic reports that:

The body of Kimberly Proctor, an 18-year-old girl from Victoria, British Columbia, was found along Galloping Goose Trail, a wooded area popular with joggers and cyclists during the day, and with partying students at night.

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Crantz

Canada

#1791 Jan 13, 2013
RDL wrote:
Oh, by the way, I saw the article in the Times Colonist about Kimberly's mother demanding there be a Kimberly's law. You don't honest expect me to believe that Kimberly's mother isn't a lesbian and doesn't hate men? I bet Kimberly's mother has a wife, and that Kimberly's mother used a sperm donor.
RDL, why are you posting here?
Child of the Corn

Vancouver, Canada

#1792 Jan 14, 2013
RDL wrote:
<quoted text>
So you don't care if they change during their 10 years in prison?
Well I do. You know why? Because I believe everyone who has served their time should be allowed to earn a second chance at life.
You, on the other hand, are making narrow-minded and heartless posts because you are a lesbian. You hate men. Same goes for Kimberly's mother.
I think you'd be more than nervous if someone planted one of those little psycho shits in your neighborhood after "time was served".

I think we all realize people can sometimes "change" when they've led a life of thievery, con artistry, irrisponsible behavior or numerous other falible behaviors.

We are talking planned torture, rape and a brutal murder that would have been repeated had the dumb shits been a tad more savy with the luring of another potential victim.

Oh, I forgot. Followed by stuffing incendiary items in the body cavities of the victim, burning the corpse and then going for lunch with mommy and playing video games. Then texting back and forth between accomplices to giggle about the deed and plan another because "it was fun".

And lets not forget the wiretapped van ride conversation.

Heres an idea...you should hire them as yard workers around your home or babysitters for members of your family when they get out.

Might prompt a culling of the herd as it were.

Those two deserve a slow painful death (a bath in acid comes to mind) and their parents should be neutered and spayed.

If that makes me a lesbian, so be it.
DougM

Victoria, Canada

#1793 Jan 14, 2013
Someone wrote:
I learnt from a very early stage of Kimmy's death that there are people & I call them people loosely, that will say anything to get a emotion for others. RDL wants attention & he or she thinks they'll get it on this page. Let this person's word slide, don't have a reaction. We know the truth.
I don't think I agree. RDL is clinically insane. She takes delight in hurting others in order to get attention. No reasonable or rational person would say the things she does. No doubt the reason she lurks on this board suggesting the things she does - like Wellwood or Moffat should ever see the light of day again - is because she may have known them or hung out with them - there is very little difference between them and her. But she shold be encouraged to stay. As many of us know, the cops watch this particular board pretty closely - and as the BC forum they can get the addresses they need to track her - they will be completely aware of who she is and the fact that she's utterly nutso. So while she may be objectionable, her presence on the board would even now constitute criminal harrassment and probably slander. Sooner of later, she will get professional help and fade away as they cure her, or do something, or have someone complain to the police in which case they'll go and pick her up. Perhaps that's why she's so afraid of Kimberly's Law - it would make people like RDL subject to mandatory help and councelling.
RDL

Victoria, Canada

#1794 Jan 17, 2013
DougM wrote:
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I don't think I agree. RDL is clinically insane. She takes delight in hurting others in order to get attention. No reasonable or rational person would say the things she does. No doubt the reason she lurks on this board suggesting the things she does - like Wellwood or Moffat should ever see the light of day again - is because she may have known them or hung out with them - there is very little difference between them and her. But she shold be encouraged to stay. As many of us know, the cops watch this particular board pretty closely - and as the BC forum they can get the addresses they need to track her - they will be completely aware of who she is and the fact that she's utterly nutso. So while she may be objectionable, her presence on the board would even now constitute criminal harrassment and probably slander. Sooner of later, she will get professional help and fade away as they cure her, or do something, or have someone complain to the police in which case they'll go and pick her up. Perhaps that's why she's so afraid of Kimberly's Law - it would make people like RDL subject to mandatory help and councelling.
Relax Doug, I'm leaving the board. You won't ever have to see my posts again. I mean it, I'm not coming back. I apologize if my honest opinions offended anyone.
Crantz

Canada

#1795 Jan 17, 2013
DougM wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think I agree. RDL is clinically insane. She takes delight in hurting others in order to get attention. No reasonable or rational person would say the things she does. No doubt the reason she lurks on this board suggesting the things she does - like Wellwood or Moffat should ever see the light of day again - is because she may have known them or hung out with them - there is very little difference between them and her. But she shold be encouraged to stay. As many of us know, the cops watch this particular board pretty closely - and as the BC forum they can get the addresses they need to track her - they will be completely aware of who she is and the fact that she's utterly nutso. So while she may be objectionable, her presence on the board would even now constitute criminal harrassment and probably slander. Sooner of later, she will get professional help and fade away as they cure her, or do something, or have someone complain to the police in which case they'll go and pick her up. Perhaps that's why she's so afraid of Kimberly's Law - it would make people like RDL subject to mandatory help and councelling.
Some of RDL's comments seemed personal, and RDL never mentioned his/her gender, yet you referred to RDL as "her". Do you know this person?
DougM

Victoria, Canada

#1796 Jan 17, 2013
RDL wrote:
<quoted text>
Relax Doug, I'm leaving the board. You won't ever have to see my posts again. I mean it, I'm not coming back. I apologize if my honest opinions offended anyone.
Relax? I'm not upset - n fact I just stipulated that in my opinion, you should be encouraged to stay so the authorities can identify you and either charge you or have you committed to mandatory treatment. If Wellwood and Moffat had been encouraged to be on public forums they could have been identifed sooner and perhaps Kim would still be alive.

And as to your "honest opinions", lets look at the last one - "You don't honest expect me to believe that Kimberly's mother isn't a lesbian and doesn't hate men? I bet Kimberly's mother has a wife, and that Kimberly's mother used a sperm donor."

That tells me three things - first, you say the vilest and most outrageous things you can think of to hurt people, not because you know anything about them - which means you're a sadist - much like Wellwood. Second, that you, also like Wellwood immediately try to play the victim when caught out instead of acknowledging your intent, indicating a self absorced and narcissitic personality. And third the chances of you really leaving this board is pretty slim. Very clearly you get gratification out of hurting others and like, or perhaps more literaly, have to see the effect it has to gain that gratification. Again like the Wellwoods and the Cliffor Olson's. It isn't just the vile things you say that keeps you going, its the reaction to them - the way Olson tortured his victims families years after he had killed their kids. It is the very profile of the sociopath and sadist. So yo uneed to keep coming back to this board to gain gratification - you may dump the RDL ID, but you will certainly come back - right up until someone outs you and the cops come to get you, or you get treatment to heal your damaged thought processes and brain. But note that I'm not excited or mad about it - it simply is what it is. You can't get angry or upset about facts, because they just are. I'm simply ambivilent.
DougM

Victoria, Canada

#1797 Jan 17, 2013
Crantz wrote:
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Some of RDL's comments seemed personal, and RDL never mentioned his/her gender, yet you referred to RDL as "her". Do you know this person?
Sorry, not answering that in a public forum. But her IP address is readily identifiable to someone who know's what he's doing.
Honeys

Marmora, Canada

#1798 Mar 3, 2013
You wanna my secret? I stay away from doctors!
That is how I stay fit. I stay away from doctors!
LPM

Victoria, Canada

#1800 Mar 23, 2013
RDL's posts made me feel dumber. Because of their idiocy, but also... What does being a lesbian have to do with anything? I'm confused more than shocked. Maybe he/she is homophobic and that's the best insult they could come up with. In which case... Sad. Ignorant and unwitty.

These cretins planned the murder, executed it with glee, and didn't feel bad about it. They also happen to be men. I guess I'm a man-hater for NEVER wanting to see someone's family suffer like Kimmy's did. Brilliant logic. Thumbs up.
Crantz

Victoria, Canada

#1801 Mar 23, 2013
Honeys wrote:
You wanna my secret? I stay away from doctors!
That is how I stay fit. I stay away from doctors!
Good luck with that.

Since: Apr 07

Coolbinia, Australia

#1802 Mar 23, 2013
RDL wrote:
<quoted text>
So you don't care if they change during their 10 years in prison?
Well I do. You know why? Because I believe everyone who has served their time should be allowed to earn a second chance at life.
You, on the other hand, are making narrow-minded and heartless posts because you are a lesbian. You hate men. Same goes for Kimberly's mother.
You might believe that everyone who has served their time should be allowed to earn a second chance at life. However, I am not prepared to risk someone else's life in a gamble to find out whether either of these sadists are rehabilitated.

Since: Apr 07

Coolbinia, Australia

#1803 Mar 23, 2013
Crantz, Child of the Corn and DougM - good answers. I have just taken the time to read back through RDL's posts. The posts were so nutty I didn't take the time to reply before - thanks for covering that. Yes, definite signs of some pathology in RDL's posts. I wonder of RDL is related to one of Kim's murderers; one of their friends or one of a new batch of followers such that most creepy murderers accumulate.
Child of the Corn

Richmond, Canada

#1804 Mar 28, 2013

Since: Apr 07

Lidcombe, Australia

#1805 Mar 30, 2013
Child of the Corn - thanks very much for the links. I am in another country and don't see anywhere to sign to support their petition formally, but I do support it.

I see where a critic is quoted:
But SFU criminal law professor David MacAlister calls the proposals "generally terrible and ill-thought out."

He seems to be objecting to 'involuntary treatment'. Well, a lot of types of treatment are involuntary or coercive. It might not be the ideal starting point for say, therapy, but it can definitely still get results. In any case, what's the alternative? Doing nothing, basically - which is already not getting anyone anywhere.

I don't like that fellow's arrogance. As if Kim's parents don't know by now what goes on in youth court (or any court).

He also seems to be in lala land when he expects them to feel reassured by the statement that " .... eligibility [for parole] dates are not release dates." I don't have any confidence whatsoever in any system to keep offenders like this incarcerated for a suitable length of time and there is no way to ensure that they won't reoffend. Some other poor person's like is at risk... and even if they don't kill - who would want someone in their family married to these sorts of blokes? Imagine them fathering and parenting offspring.

I think the risk assessment is a darned good idea. There could be no guarantees, of course, but I think that if it's known that a child presents with (perhaps) the famous triad of childhood indicators of developing (not guaranteed) sociopathy: bed wetting; cruelty to animals; lighting fires - that should be enough to make 1-1 and group therapy available to the children. The therapy could be encased in a recreational program so that it doesn't seem to single them out as freaks - but therapy trained specialists should be present to oversee their development and so on. Parent education or family therapy should also be offered.

The only thing I don't like about throwing too much punishment on to the parents is that it makes it possible for the kids to divest themselves of blame. That proposal might need a bit of clarification.

Oh and I see where they objected to the offenders travelling or being housed together or something. I think that doing that for a while makes it possible to get incriminating recordings (as was done initially) so I hope the proposal doesn't exclude the possibility of putting offenders together to record conversations.

One reason that I don't have confidence in the system and I think we need to remain mindful of Kim's case and supportive of her family, is that time has a way of helping media and the law to forget the victim's suffering; forget the enormity of the crime. Then anyone who wants to see these despicable creeps kept in and away from potential victims is accused of being mean and vengeful.

For example, I read this:

"Kruse Wellwood was 16 and Cameron Moffatt was 17 when they lured Kimberly to WellwoodÂ’s home. They sexually assaulted and murdered her, before mutilating her body."
http://www.ctvvancouverisland.ca/2013/01/fami...

- and I hoped that I was wrong but I thought I'd read that Kim was tortured (including some extremely horrible knife wounds) before death. To me the news report quoted is already minimizing the crime. I checked back to earlier reports and poor child was tortured. I wish I'd been wrong but it seems not. In any case, my point is that by the time the 'eligible for release' date comes up, the media might well be acting as advocates for these fellows and will make out like it was a straight forward rape and strangulation (which is of course bad enough in itself; but poor Kim's suffering went on for a long time).

Anyway, those are my initial thoughts. Thanks very much for the links.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1806 Apr 2, 2013
Desdemona - I couldn't agree more with your entire post.

"To me the news report quoted is already minimizing the crime."

I thought the same thing exactly.

For me the important part of the link to the site is simply the photo gallery. Regardless of anyone's views of the system changes they are lobbying for, the gallery puts a face to the victim that belies any attempts to cast a negative spin on the victims legacy. She was someone's daughter and the photos portray her in that light.

Best to you Desdemona
Maria

Surrey, Canada

#1807 Jun 20, 2013
Just checking in. Still want to keep this thread going and keeping Kimmy and her family in my thoughts and prayers!

She won't be forgetten.

Since: Apr 07

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#1808 Jun 20, 2013
Maria wrote:
Just checking in. Still want to keep this thread going and keeping Kimmy and her family in my thoughts and prayers!
She won't be forgetten.
Absolutely agree Maria.
I was only just thinking of Kim when I read about a similar, recent treacherous event against a young female. Not as cruel as what Kim endured but similar in that two male friends played with the idea of abducting and killing someone and ended up doing that to a friend.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/katelyn-wolfe-murder...

“Wolves in Sheeps Clothing”

Since: Jul 13

View Royal

#1812 Jul 24, 2013
Ultimately I became depressed. I felt terrible about everything, for sleeping with a monster, for being pathetic and afraid. I felt like my world was turned inside out and to be honest I'm still not over it.

Shortly afterwards I learned that Cam had cheated on me while we dated. I stopped being friends with Athena, since she was condoning Kim's murder. I ended up having to rebuild my whole life afterwards. In the end i made fantastic new friends and got rid of poisonous ones, like Athena. But ultimately this experience has changed me for life, for worse or better I have yet to determine.

I hope my story can serve as a way to fill holes in your minds, and that it reminds everyone how easy it is to be in the presence of a horrible fucked up person and never know till its too late. Always be careful who your friends with, watch who you date, you your children date. If something feels off than run with that feeling. Better safe than sorry. You have the most precious gift one can be given, the gift of life, don't squander your intuition, and remind yourself how important you are. Never compromise your feelings for a charming man or woman, never compromise your beliefs for uncertainties, and most importantly don't change who you are in fear. The most valuable thing about you is your personality, don't hide it. The fear I was driven to after all this turned me into a hollow image of my former self. Don't let fear control you. There are ways of managing it.

I hope you all have wonderful days, and wonderful thought provoking lives.

Since: Apr 07

Kellyville, Australia

#1813 Jul 27, 2013
redwolfcometh wrote:
Ultimately I became depressed. I felt terrible about everything, for sleeping with a monster, for being pathetic and afraid. I felt like my world was turned inside out and to be honest I'm still not over it.
Shortly afterwards I learned that Cam had cheated on me while we dated. I stopped being friends with Athena, since she was condoning Kim's murder.
Redwolf, I live in another country and don't know your real life or any online IDs. Do you have another posting ID that you have used on this story or site?
What you say certainly resonates; I think we have all reflected on people we have loved who have done horrible things and thought, "Wtf was I thinking!'. We are all works in progress; finding our way. I am glad to hear that you have chosen a different path; all the best for a successful and happy life for yourself.
Doug M

Victoria, Canada

#1814 Jul 27, 2013
Desdemona wrote:
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Redwolf, I live in another country and don't know your real life or any online IDs. Do you have another posting ID that you have used on this story or site?
What you say certainly resonates; I think we have all reflected on people we have loved who have done horrible things and thought, "Wtf was I thinking!'. We are all works in progress; finding our way. I am glad to hear that you have chosen a different path; all the best for a successful and happy life for yourself.
"you may dump the RDL ID, but you will certainly come back - right up until someone outs you and the cops come to get you, or you get treatment to heal your damaged thought processes and brain"
Look at the timing and the wording of "Redwolf's" post. Now? Three years after the fact? She suddenly has what would appear to be an input close to Moffat? I'm pretty sure that this is simply RDL under another name - still looking for attention. Suggest you don't get sucked in.

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