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Natives hold key to Ontario power

A proposed east-west energy grid can't proceed without their support KAREN HOWLETT Native leaders are sharply divided over a proposed transmission link that would import electricity from Manitoba to ...

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LOTS of Commetns
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#1
Apr 2, 2007
 
Ontario Newfoundland Friends in Canada wrote:

The Churchill Falls Deal wasn't as Good as You Might think after

ALL the details came out as another Comment writer noted " Quebec gets $2 Billion annually "

but thats Much Less than what Newfoundland gets after paying Maintenance Costs

Just ask Danny Williams how Good A Deal that is for Labrador Newfoundland.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/...
Developers Should Pay
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#2
Apr 2, 2007
 
$ 30 Billion for GTA Region Needed We Hear
Only $ 30 Billion Handed Out by the Feds for 7 Provinces 7 to Cover Immigration #'s
Exisitng Residents Don't Need this Project
Full Project Accounting would mean Developers would have to Cover these Costs
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/...
The Developers are the Ones who are Going to Profit from Growth & NOT the existing residents & Taxpayers who were here first.
GTA Impacts Outlined
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#3
Apr 2, 2007
 
Here's the details of the Other Power Line from Bruce Nuclear to Milton Ont at
http://www.independentfreepress.com/news/arti...
http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/community/...
Watch Out when You Sign Up to the Mailing List as they Call it a Survey ?
Here's How MPAC is treating another Kind of Native Canadians in Ontario
MPAC offers little solace to land owners Wednesday March 28 2007
CYNTHIA GAMBLE, MetroLand Staff Writer
Property owners affected by rapidly changing land conditions in Halton Hills are unlikely to get any immediate help from the tax assessment agency, MPAC. Municipal Property Assessment Corporation (MPAC) spokesperson Greg Baxter told Halton Hills...
http://www.independentfreepress.com/news/arti...
& there's Really Been No Public Meetings yet that We Know Details of Yet
Milton has been discussing a Natural Gas Generating Station here as well
Milton Town Council says no to review
The Town of Milton won't be conducting its own review of an environmental report on the power plant planne...
http://www.miltoncanadianchampion.com/news/ar...
& this is Really Just the Beginning Before any Real EA process starts...
Without any Federal Government Controls Going On Here in Ontario, what we know so far can be Seen from a local Web Site that has Links to more Info at
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/phpnuke/modules...
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/phpnuke/modules...
Without any Federal Government Controls Going On Here in Ontario, what we know so far can be Seen from a local Web Site that has Links to more Info at
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/phpnuke/modules...
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/page2.html
more Health Disasters Too
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#4
Apr 2, 2007
 
Dr. Richard Kunica of Hornby told members of council; “we’ve been sold down the river by these smooth talking developers of Transcanada”, and went on to raise all of the important issues that no one at the council meeting, including P.O.W.E.R., were prepared to raise. The doctor started by making reference to the estimated two thousand tonnes of gas that the facility would burn a day and the subsequent radiant heat that would dissipate into the community. The Doctor went into specific details with the toxins and the health related hazards that are associated with the emissions of this type of power plant, stating; the exhaust is definitely acidic and went on to individually itemized some of the pollutants as; Nitrous Oxide, Sulfur Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, Hydrocarbons and last but not least, Benzene which is a known toxic carcinogen. He talked about mercaptan which adds more sulfur deoxide to the carbons. He raised the issues concerning the present noise pollution levels currently generated by the traffic from the 401, which he claimed is somewhere around 40 decibles. The Doctor then added; the plant could likely add another 60 decibles to the existing noise polution levels, which would make the plant the single largest contributor of noise pollution in that area.

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STOP Power Line EMF
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#5
Apr 3, 2007
 
By giving appropriate weight to socio-economic and environmental considerations we will avoid social friction through the planning process.
See Mayor Cousin's statement on the handling of the
power supply infrastructure in our
(not the Opinion piece that ran in the National Post, LINK: http://www.city.markham.on.ca/markham/resourc... )

For more information on our case, please read the Exhibit "A" Consultation Report at the OPA's website. LINK: http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Page.asp...

Second OPA LINK: http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Page.asp...

OPA Power Supply Report: http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Storage/39/34...

We hope that this information is helpful.
http://www.stop-emf.ca
Hydro Line EMF
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#6
Apr 3, 2007
 
STOP was the first presenter on August 3rd. Their concern was that section 23 removes rights from the municipality as it relates to power supply infrastructure planning.

We have no issue with the removal of duplication in the planning process, however all of the rights removed as a result of exempting infrastructure from the Planning Act are not fully addressed under the Environmental Assessment Act and as noted by the Blue Highland's Citizen's Coalition (who fought wind turbines), the EA Act has been found to be deeply flawed itself.

In fact, the power supply issue facing York Region over the past three years has demonstrated how flawed the process has been.
A large number of residents fought Hydro One with regards to a proposed transmission line that did not adequately address the socio-economic impacts posed by the facilities in question.

After the town of Markham and local residents spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and were successful in lobbying the newly created Ontario Power Authority, over 60 alternatives were identified (with no single silver bullet solution).

We have identified gaps in the planning process as well as identified a clear need for more clear and protective standards that would have the objective of addressing commonly held concerns.

Technical and financial considerations are considered in identifying any given power supply solution and only after a solution has been identified is the project subject to an EA process.
Environmental considerations, including socio-economic impacts need to be considered at the start of the planning process and not as an afterthought.

The concerns expressed in our community are repeatedly expressed by communities facing the same issues.
This is Why We Share this Info With You Here Thank You
Ontario Hydro History
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#7
Apr 3, 2007
 
The Hansard minutes from the Standing committee discussions are Interesting
You might want to read the minutes at this LINK: http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/billsdetail....
The Liberals ignored concern with regards to section 23 as expressed by STOP, Mississauga, Toronto, Oakville, the Environmental Law Association, the NDP, the Conservatives, Michael Walker (read that statement), the Blue Highland's Citizen Coalition and others...
A Bill that was intended to restore powers to municipalities and at the same time address long term concerns as it related to the OMB effectively removed rights of municipalities.

Bill 51 hearings
Standing Committee on General Government
August 3, 2006
August 8, 2006
August 9, 2006
August 29, 2006
August 30, 2006
September 26, 2006
Reported to the House as amended. Carried on division. Ordered for third reading.
Oak Ridges Moraine
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#8
Apr 3, 2007
 
It's Hard as Volunteers to Take on HUGE Corporations with Conservation Issues like we're Doing here Now as we did a couple years ago when 750 of us in Richmond Hill asked Ontario Hydro if they'd seen the CDROM End of Suburbia as we ALL had 7 Hydro's answer was NO, so why were we at a meeting for GTA Developers who should be Paying for York Region Hydro Growth where Hydro had Never indicated that there would be a problem with ALL the New Developemnts they were reviewing & Signing Off that there were No problems & then storing PCB's in Vandorf right on top of Our Aquifer for drinking water as well as New Transmissions Lines over Schools & Homes. See Hydro One Releases 2006 Year-End Financial Results at
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/Fe...
Where Health Canada
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Apr 3, 2007
 
Without any Federal Government Controls Going On Here in Ontario, what we know so far can be Seen from a local Web Site that has Links to more Info at
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/phpnuke/modules...
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/phpnuke/modules...
Hydro Hiding Info
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#10
Apr 3, 2007
 
Beaverton Bob from Beaverton, Canada wrote

Does anyone know how the Canada/US 'proportional' sharing of Canada's power with the US works?

The same for Sable Island gas, all of which is exported.

We asked these types of Questions concerning Natural Gas to Trans Canada Last Year

with No Answers forth Coming that night or Since for that matter.

Also the Matter of NAFTA once Power is Flowing was asked as Well to them.

Again No Answers.

Also the use of Their Pipeline to export Natural Gas if Canada needs the Gas to heat their homes & Keep the Lights on so we're NOT Freezing to Death in the Dark with No Answers Heard from them either yet.
more GTA Hydro Secrets
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#11
Apr 3, 2007
 
Plan for new hydro line has opponents buzzing

The 26-kilometre-long line, running south from Markham, could be operating by 2012

JENNIFER LEWINGTON Globe & Mail

CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF

A possible third main power line to feed electricity-hungry central Toronto is starting to draw fire from opposition groups.

The $600-million line to supply between 600 and 700 megawatts of power is on the drawing boards, with decisions on a route and construction by summer.

The preferred option among three cuts a 26-kilometre route south from Markham through Toronto neighbourhoods, including Scarborough, Leaside, East York and Riverdale, to the Port Lands.

That scenario, even if hydro lines are buried through residential neighbourhoods, has opposition groups revving up for a fight.
Print Edition - Section Front

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The Globe and Mail

"It is not a good idea," said Jack Gibbons, a spokesman for the Ontario Clean Air Alliance, describing the East Toronto high-voltage line as the electricity equivalent of the Spadina Expressway. "You can keep the lights on in Toronto at a lower cost through energy conservation, renewable power and combined heat and power.

"These are the options the people of Toronto want," said Mr. Gibbons, whose organization opposes new transmission lines, especially those fed by nuclear power.(It is unclear whether the proposed line would be nuclear driven.)

Mr. Gibbons's group has mapped a detailed version of the route compared to a conceptual drawing by Hydro One.

Councillor Paula Fletcher (Toronto-Danforth), whose ward could be affected and who opposes a hydro line, said "there are many people concerned about this and I think we will be joining forces.

"People need to know this [route] is one of the plans," she said.

The Ontario Power Authority, the province's long-term planner for electricity supply and demand; Hydro One, the likely builder of the transmission line; and Toronto Hydro-Electric Co., the Toronto Hydro affiliate that supplies the power to customers, have been in quiet discussions for the past year.

Mr. Gibbons said "OPA and Hydro One have been trying their best to keep this under the radar by not telling people the exact route.

"And when they do," he predicted, "there will be a political firestorm of opposition."
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Apr 3, 2007
 
Officials with the OPA and Hydro One were reluctant to discuss the precise route or project timing.

"It's all premature," said Hydro One spokesman Al Manchee. "It's up to the OPA to assess the need and recommend a possible route."

Last fall, the OPA said the project could be ready by 2016. Now the agency is looking at an earlier date, possibly 2012, to improve power reliability and add to supply.

"We're still working on it deeply with the different stakeholders," said OPA official Bing Young. His agency expects to release an integrated power-supply plan for the province by summer, including an assessment of the Toronto line.

Anthony Haines, president of Toronto Hydro-Electric System Ltd., a Toronto Hydro affiliate in talks with Hydro One, said power reliability is a big reason for the project.

"The stress on the system is increasing," Mr. Haines said, with Toronto having only two supply lines, one on the east and one the west. "It is now a very important initiative to build that extra capacity into the system," he said, with the route south from Markham his company's "preferred path."

Still, local groups can defeat power projects, as they did in 2005, when Hydro One was forced to withdraw a proposal to double the capacity of an existing 24-kilometre transmission line from Markham to Newmarket.

"It is a problem for the industry," he said.

"Our customers continue to grow their demand for power but they don't want to have the systems and infrastructure to get it to them."

Unlike residential opposition to a route, business groups are eager for an electricity project to move ahead.

"Our concern always has been the security of our electricity supply," says Chuck Stradling, executive vice-president of the Building Owners and Managers Association of Greater Toronto.

A third transmission line into Toronto, he added, "would mean much-needed backup power."

The alternatives to the power line include an underground cable to bring power here from Buffalo or to build a new natural-gas generator at Lakeview in the west end.

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