Part 1: The problem : Why do we need a methadone program anyway?

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Left, addicts wanting to get off injection drugs in this province really only have two options a ' cold turkey or a daily drink of methadone.

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“Not Afraid to speak the truth!”

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#1 Nov 7, 2009
It is supposed to be for people who wanted to get off heroin drug use. It would slowly stop withdrawls from coming so you would stop committing crimes for drugs. It helps addicts get stable so then they can wean off it. Then start there life over clean & sober in society. Right!that is the reason I am on it, I don't think they should judge everyone on a few bad people that abuse the programs and still use drugs on top of methadone. They are not the norm!
EXmethadone

Berkeley, CA

#3 Nov 7, 2009
Methadone maintenance works as well as it does simply because it is legal. Were heroin maintenance a legal option addicts would not be destroyed by poverty and the many other pernicious side effects concomitant with drug prohibition. They too would be free to pursue "normal" lives as productive members of society. And should they choose to give up drugs, heroin withdrawal is much shorter term than methadone withdrawal.
jww

Daphne, AL

#4 Nov 7, 2009
EXmethadone wrote:
Methadone maintenance works as well as it does simply because it is legal. Were heroin maintenance a legal option addicts would not be destroyed by poverty and the many other pernicious side effects concomitant with drug prohibition. They too would be free to pursue "normal" lives as productive members of society. And should they choose to give up drugs, heroin withdrawal is much shorter term than methadone withdrawal.
Wow. That is a very good point and a very good argument on legalizing drugs. If drugs were legal most crime and poverty would be no more.
New01

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#5 Nov 8, 2009
Here is my thought's on it, we take it initially to do this job get over active addiction. What happens is 5-10year passes we end up frightened to come of it, but the question is long term does it cause more harm than good?
New01

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#6 Nov 8, 2009
I forgot don't even start me on the weight gain

“Not Afraid to speak the truth!”

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#7 Nov 8, 2009
So far it's working for me. I will see what happens when I get there, and I will deal with it? I am not afraid and I still say it's safe and as long as you do what your supposed to be doing, you'll be okay! For the most part, you just need to be ready to stop using ALL DRUGS!!! not anything on the side.

“ZIPPY is checking my script”

Since: Dec 08

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#8 Nov 8, 2009
Debrinconcita wrote:
So far it's working for me. I will see what happens when I get there, and I will deal with it? I am not afraid and I still say it's safe and as long as you do what your supposed to be doing, you'll be okay! For the most part, you just need to be ready to stop using ALL DRUGS!!! not anything on the side.
yes, but in higher doses it can cause heart problems. where as most agonists will not.

although i will agree, on the harm reduction aspect and getting people legal and able to function, it is better to have the program than not. just think how much more issues there would be without this program.

although a needle exchange and heroin for people stuck in this cycle would be a better option if you ask me. shorter WD, and people could stop with a taper relatively easy when they are ready. if a doc or clinic were providing pharma grade diacetylmorphine to addicts, we would see crime drop dramatically, deaths also, as the user would always be getting the same strength, which we know never happens on the street.( i am not a user, but this is just common sense)
JUST ME

Bowling Green, KY

#9 Nov 8, 2009
Debrinconcita, i really like what you have to say.When you are doing what you are supposed to do then you use only methadone,and it works.But yea if they are using other drugs then they are wasting there time and the ones that work at these clinics.I have been on it for 3 years do i want to stay on it forever no,but i can tell you i would rather be on it than out here chasing dope And as long as my family and kids are ok with it i am not goilg to worry what other people thinks.The only things that bother me is that it has such a bad name,and that is only because some will not look at positive that has come from it.

“Not Afraid to speak the truth!”

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#10 Nov 8, 2009
JUST ME wrote:
Debrinconcita, i really like what you have to say.When you are doing what you are supposed to do then you use only methadone,and it works.But yea if they are using other drugs then they are wasting there time and the ones that work at these clinics.I have been on it for 3 years do i want to stay on it forever no,but i can tell you i would rather be on it than out here chasing dope And as long as my family and kids are ok with it i am not goilg to worry what other people thinks.The only things that bother me is that it has such a bad name,and that is only because some will not look at positive that has come from it.
Exactly my problem also. If they would stop stereo typing all the clients, the one's trying to do good, could get something done. We have the local police harassing us everyday, trying to pass out Jwalking tickets out front. They wait for people trying to pull out and there always on us. We have a bad rap, cause of the bad apples in the past. The clinics are changing now, so far as I can see. They are going to start cracking down on habitual users on other drugs and then everyone who's trying can get on with their programs and we can do what we need to do. Thanks for the support and I hope that your sucessful in your program, like I have been trying to do. I don't want nobody talking bad cause were trying.
Mark Grizzly

Riverside, CA

#11 Nov 8, 2009
I used Methodone to get off of Norco/Vicoden in 2006.
The immediate effects were amazing! The withdrawls were 100% non-existant and slowly i was able to get my finances straight.
I have a bone marrow disease (with no insurance) and my Norco/Vicoden habit was out of control.. I would take 20-40 pills a day at around 2-3$ a pill (always bought on the street.)
The Methodone was bought on the streets as well BUT it was $1.00 for a 10mg pill and i would only take 1-2 pills a day (i didnt need more.. That would actually make me nod off with my kolonopin)
So i went from spending $40-$80 a day to spending around $80.00 for over a months supply!!

I did this from May 2006 to August 2008.
The drug DID catch up to me. It turned me into a ZOMBIE.. My job was in sales and i was slipping in every aspect of my life.. I still had money, but i was not happy, so i decided to get off..

It was a true fucking nightmare!!
21 days of diahrea, vomiting, EXTREME pain in my thigh's, feet, hands, knee's.. Headaches, back pains and worst of all i didnt sleep for almost 2 weeks straight!!
I only used Kolonopin to curb the withdrawls, but i finally got over it!!
I didnt have any support from family, friends or even my girlfriend.. It was a nightmare! I decided to quit for a few reasons but the timing was probably the major factor.
I hurt myself at work and i was able to get on workers comp. So i didnt have to work and i had checks coming in (so i wouldnt have to worry about bills/rent).

It took around 2-3 weeks ( i honestly cant remember. The lack of sleep gave me hallucinations and it also made the days blur together.)

If i could do it - YOU CAN DO IT..
I have absolutely NO SELF CONTROL and i fell off about 3 months later and started to use Oxy's (for legitimate pain)

Its been over a year since i've been off the Dones and i can say this much. I've D.T'd 6 times since August 08 (i still havent gotten it to stick) and i can honestly say that Methodone was THE WORST WITHDRAWLS I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED..

PLEASE BE CAREFUL.. I know that the Methododne is AMAZING and it helps ALOT, BUT try not to take it for longer than 2 months..
This shit is a NIGHTMARE to kick.. Dont say i didnt warn ya

Its also DEADLY... I've lost a few friends to drugs, and Methodone is without a doubt the most dangerous. It makes you nod out 4-6 hours after taking a pill. You could take a lethal dose and be cool for hours and then all of a sudden your dieing in your sleep.. If you have pain you need to be honest with yourself and figure out what drug works the best, and what drug wont ruin your life.. When your whole life revolves around getting money to pay for your medication, its time to detox (even if your not gonna go 100% and quit forever, sometimes you need to kick for a month or two just to get your health and finances straight.)

If your gonna use Dones, start out with a small dose and figure out where your gonna top off at.. Its 100 times more dangerous than Oxy (in my opinion) and DONT EVER SHOOT IT.. I know my opinion doesnt mean shit, but sometimes i take peoples advice and if what i wrote helps somebody that would be great..
new01

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#12 Nov 8, 2009
Mark Grizzly wrote:
I used Methodone to get off of Norco/Vicoden in 2006.
The immediate effects were amazing! The withdrawls were 100% non-existant and slowly i was able to get my finances straight.
I have a bone marrow disease (with no insurance) and my Norco/Vicoden habit was out of control.. I would take 20-40 pills a day at around 2-3$ a pill (always bought on the street.)
The Methodone was bought on the streets as well BUT it was $1.00 for a 10mg pill and i would only take 1-2 pills a day (i didnt need more.. That would actually make me nod off with my kolonopin)
So i went from spending $40-$80 a day to spending around $80.00 for over a months supply!!
I did this from May 2006 to August 2008.
The drug DID catch up to me. It turned me into a ZOMBIE.. My job was in sales and i was slipping in every aspect of my life.. I still had money, but i was not happy, so i decided to get off..
It was a true fucking nightmare!!
21 days of diahrea, vomiting, EXTREME pain in my thigh's, feet, hands, knee's.. Headaches, back pains and worst of all i didnt sleep for almost 2 weeks straight!!
I only used Kolonopin to curb the withdrawls, but i finally got over it!!
I didnt have any support from family, friends or even my girlfriend.. It was a nightmare! I decided to quit for a few reasons but the timing was probably the major factor.
I hurt myself at work and i was able to get on workers comp. So i didnt have to work and i had checks coming in (so i wouldnt have to worry about bills/rent).
It took around 2-3 weeks ( i honestly cant remember. The lack of sleep gave me hallucinations and it also made the days blur together.)
If i could do it - YOU CAN DO IT..
I have absolutely NO SELF CONTROL and i fell off about 3 months later and started to use Oxy's (for legitimate pain)
Its been over a year since i've been off the Dones and i can say this much. I've D.T'd 6 times since August 08 (i still havent gotten it to stick) and i can honestly say that Methodone was THE WORST WITHDRAWLS I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED..
PLEASE BE CAREFUL.. I know that the Methododne is AMAZING and it helps ALOT, BUT try not to take it for longer than 2 months..
This shit is a NIGHTMARE to kick.. Dont say i didnt warn ya
Its also DEADLY... I've lost a few friends to drugs, and Methodone is without a doubt the most dangerous. It makes you nod out 4-6 hours after taking a pill. You could take a lethal dose and be cool for hours and then all of a sudden your dieing in your sleep.. If you have pain you need to be honest with yourself and figure out what drug works the best, and what drug wont ruin your life.. When your whole life revolves around getting money to pay for your medication, its time to detox (even if your not gonna go 100% and quit forever, sometimes you need to kick for a month or two just to get your health and finances straight.)
If your gonna use Dones, start out with a small dose and figure out where your gonna top off at.. Its 100 times more dangerous than Oxy (in my opinion) and DONT EVER SHOOT IT.. I know my opinion doesnt mean shit, but sometimes i take peoples advice and if what i wrote helps somebody that would be great..
Oh i hear you your opinion does mean alot, I just wish that there would be more options than Sub/Meth. I like the idea of slow release morph. Btw what are you doing now in terms of medications
EXmethadone

Berkeley, CA

#13 Nov 8, 2009
The local methadone clinic advertises methadone maintenance as "alternative drug replacement therapy" for addiction to VICODIN!!! This is absolutely disgusting. A good metaphor would be amputating an arm to cure a hangnail!
Mark Grizzly

Riverside, CA

#14 Nov 9, 2009
New01 - Unfortunatly i fell off and im taking Oxy's right now (240mg - 320mg daily)
My intake levels are crazy high right now so im actually planning on a "Holiday Detox" on Friday the 13th.. Ive actually been seeing a doctor lately and im doing everything legally BUT i fuctup and filled my 60 80mg scrip with the NASTY M 596 Generics.. they gel up BADLY and when taken orally they barely work.. Its basically another Bullshit problem i wouldnt have if i wasnt taking pills and im getting really fed-up with my situation lately..
Perfect timing to go cold turkey..

I keep it honest with myself and i know that im most likely gonna go back to using - i truly need the meds for pain. But i need to take a little break to get my financial situation correct (and get my weight up)..
Who knows, this time i might stay clean forever BUT im not gonna lie to myself about it.. When i do that it causes EXTREME DEPRESSION when i relapse..
Does anybody have any suggestions to make my detox a little easier?? The nightmare i deal with from my Bone Marrow disease has made me a glutton for pain, The DT's are NOTHING in contrast to a stomach pain attack.. I usually take 3-4 5mg kolonopins a day, lots of water (as much as i can stand) and since i run an Amazon store i watch ALOT of movies.. Thats usually what gets me through it..
I tell myself that it wont last for more than 4-5 days and i usually get some "shut-eye" on like the 3rd or 4th day (once i get sleep i rapidly get better).
The trick is to do mind over matter.. I know when the DT's start you lose ALL motivation to keep going, so what i do is write myself a letter (like 1 full page) while im high and while im fed-up.. I'll look at what i wrote and try my hardest to realise that i have to get through it.. Its really easy to say you wanna get clean when your not withdrawling, and once it starts you almost instantly say "FUCK THIS!! GET ME MY PILLS!!" - You just gotta really want it..
Another thing that works for me (and i know this is CRAZY LAME) but i watch shit like "Mike Hammer" while i withdrawl.. You start thinking like "Mike Hammer would do this without blinking an eye". The "A-TEAM" works too.. I know how retarded that sounds, but it works for me..

Besides Methodone what are some good Cold Turkey tricks to make shit easier (no matter how lame it is.. Shit, i just shared my "Mike Hammer" stategy.. Any advice is better than that.. right?)

“Live for today!”

Since: May 09

mAssachusetts, New Jersey , FL

#15 Nov 9, 2009
I'm thinking of going back on methadone.. it's been god, about 6 months from start to finish and the cravings I'm having are out of control.. After all that trouble of getting off I cant believe I'm considering this, but I'm worried about what might happen.
Mystic

Tampa, FL

#16 Nov 9, 2009
ElittlebitOfMethadone wrote:
I'm thinking of going back on methadone.. it's been god, about 6 months from start to finish and the cravings I'm having are out of control.. After all that trouble of getting off I cant believe I'm considering this, but I'm worried about what might happen.
Lil Bit, Zen says the subutex helps with the cravings. have you talked to a doctor or therapist.The doctor may be able to help you figure the beat route, for you, your body and your general situation. the therapist helps us cope(sposed to anyway, Im not happy with mine at present, and trying to figure out if its a ME thing), and be cognizant of our choices and options, amount of control over any given situatuion and how not to awfulize, as I call it. to name a few. Hope this helps, Im grasping, but I dont want to see you rush into something, if you coulda done it differently. Youre a sweet gal, and I hope for better for you.Either way, good luck and I hope you make an informed and appropriate choice, tht works for you in the end. Mystic

“FAITH heals even the lost”

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#17 Nov 9, 2009
ElittlebitOfMethadone wrote:
I'm thinking of going back on methadone.. it's been god, about 6 months from start to finish and the cravings I'm having are out of control.. After all that trouble of getting off I cant believe I'm considering this, but I'm worried about what might happen.
lil bit, mystic is true, please dont go back, i know how hard it is, really i do...i have pain, and cravings, and i get miserable sometimes, but try the suboxone, it really kills the cravings, and you have a much clearer outlook on life...i can go on for hours the benifits of taking suboxone over methadone, but most importantly is the withdrawals are nothing near the drone, and like i d=said, it makes you so vividly clear, its also an anti depressant for most people...i have only been on for two weeks, and surely i havnt had enough time, but alot of my problems surround pain mor than cravings...its the pain that wakes me up at 3 am, and keeps me from being able to really work like i used to...but where you dont have that problem as much, you would surely benifit from the suboxone...
I really think you are definatly still going through the withdrawals..i think it takes two years to be free from methadone, and if more drs knew that, you would be treated with an alternative during this hard time, thats why you should look into the subs, maybe youll only need a small ammount to help you with tiredness, cravings and depression, and maybe you would only need it for a short time...my insurance covers it because it is expensive, and if your seeing a counsolor or phych, then can lead you to the help, the right channels to get it...more and more drs are prescribing it..
were you have been off meth for 6 months, i bet the subs would be really good...i hope this helps, id just hate to see you get back on the drone,
lil bit, being that i was on methadone, and suboxone, i can tell you subs are a million times better...they really are!...good to hear from you again, i thought about you from time to time, hoping your doing ok...keep faith,,,,zen
EXmethadone

Berkeley, CA

#18 Nov 9, 2009
Mark,
I've kicked OC three times. The first time was the easiest, but I was using only 40mg. a day for several months. I simply switched to vicodin for 2 or 3 weeks and then quit. It was very easy. I began another habit 2 or 3 years later at a higher dose and kicked that the same way after gradually decreaing my OC dose down to 40 mg. a day (10 mg. 4 times a day). The third addiction was at 200 mg. or so a day for 2 1/2 years. I came down to 120-140 mg. daily and then went on methadone detox starting at 40 mg. I took 30 mg. OC in the evening after the methadone wore off. As the methadone doses lowered I raised my OC dosage in 10 mg. increments. I left the methadone detox a couple days early, 10 mg. was my last dose and I was taking 70 mg. OC at that point. I stayed at 70 mg. OC for 1 week after the methadone detox. The following morning I made poppy pod tea and took norco/vicodin in the evening. I used the poppy tea 4 days total, decreasing the dose daily and continued taking some hydrocodone in the evening. I then used hydrocodone only, and in decreasing doses for 6 days. On the sixth and last day of my detox I took a total of 30 mg. hydrocodone and went cold turkey from there. The withdrawals were moderate. I suffered the "worm" for the first 4 days and the withdrawals lasted 8 days total. I was still fatigued long after that though).
I made the mistake of continuing to eat "normal" food during withdrawal. After a couple days drug free my digestive system stopped working. The food that I ate looked literally no different coming out than it did going in and on my fifth day clean I suffered the worst stomach ache of my life! It lasted for 27 hours and when all else failed (tea and tums, mylanta, cannabis) I took a norco. This worked for a few hours. When the pain returned I took another norco, but it did not work. I took 10 mg. OC and then slept through the night. I awoke early with the stomach ache and took another 10 mg. OC. At 11 that morning the stomach ache suddenly subsided (I had not eaten now for a day).
Following the advice of a friend I limited my diet to cream of rice cereal and chicken noodle soup for the next few days and had no further stomach ailments. If I had done this from the first day clean I believe I would have avoided stomach pain entirely.
I'm in the same boat as you now, detoxing from OC for the fourth time. I plan on doing it without a methadone detox.
When I am kicking I love to read and devour books obsessively. During the early stages of withdrawal the sensory stimulation of watching videos/dvds is just too much for me!

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#19 Nov 9, 2009
ElittlebitOfMethadone wrote:
I'm thinking of going back on methadone.. it's been god, about 6 months from start to finish and the cravings I'm having are out of control.. After all that trouble of getting off I cant believe I'm considering this, but I'm worried about what might happen.
I'm thinking,I'm feeling..that's a good thing!!! Now look at them two beautiful babies and ask "do I want that life again?" after all the shit,the sleepless nights,the smelly sweats,the leg and arm twitchy bitchies?Feelings come and go,like the months of a calender or the seasons.Ask yourself "Am I better and do I feel and axct better then I did eight months ago?" and if in dought,go back and read your old posts.Your words not anyone elses,but the words you first used when you got here.LilBit if I could run dope till I was ninty and never worry boiut cash flow or family or nuttin by me and my head...well it aint that way so so...voice your shit,scream your shit,but do not give in to your..shit...peace in the street...burn one and have a glass o vino....
EXmethadone

Berkeley, CA

#20 Nov 9, 2009
ElittlebitOfMeth adone,
Mr. Music is right. Don't do it!!! Methadone has the worst addiction of any narcotic! You have 6 months of suffering invested already. If you stay clean in time you will get completely back to normal. Take it one day at a time. You will get there.

Since: Aug 09

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#21 Nov 9, 2009
ElittlebitOfMethadone wrote:
I'm thinking of going back on methadone.. it's been god, about 6 months from start to finish and the cravings I'm having are out of control.. After all that trouble of getting off I cant believe I'm considering this, but I'm worried about what might happen.
...and you have paid your dues,seen enough of tth dark side,stay in the light..
nuff said??..

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