Province sinks $7M into golf in Tory ...

Province sinks $7M into golf in Tory ridings

There are 25 comments on the Edmonton Journal story from Aug 2, 2007, titled Province sinks $7M into golf in Tory ridings. In it, Edmonton Journal reports that:

Alberta's Progressive Conservative government allocated more than $7 million in grants to golf clubs over three years, and almost all the money went to courses in Tory ridings.

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wise one

Lac La Biche, Canada

#1 Feb 28, 2008
Another sweeetheart deal. Connect the dots to the local municipalities recent actions.
PAUL SHYKORA

Calgary, Canada

#2 Feb 28, 2008
HYMMMMM???....HOMELESSNESS Folk should sleep in the ''country club'' golf resorts,tooo booot!! The hillbilly farmboy has spoken.....
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE

Wainwright, Canada

#3 Feb 28, 2008
HOW CAN THIS GOVERNMENT JUSTIFY THAT ON THESE PLACES AND THE SUITS WHEN KIDS GROUPS AND PARENTS ARE STRUGGLING FOR FUNDS TO HAVE THEIR KIDS INVOLVED IN SOCCER,HOCKEY, PLAYSCHOOL, TAEKWONDO,A KID SPORT, WHERE IT KEEPS THEM OFF THE STREET AND THE MIND GOING. IT JUST PISSES ME OFF THAT THEY DONT SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON. I CERTAINLY CANT AFFORD TO GO GOLFING NEVER MIND MY KIDS.

Since: Feb 08

Lac La Biche, Canada

#4 Feb 29, 2008
Golf is a sport. Kids play golf. Golf can keep kids off the streets. Hockey is more cost prohibative than golf for most people.(Equipment, ice fees, travel costs, equipment replacement costs etc.) I've played both sports.
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE wrote:
HOW CAN THIS GOVERNMENT JUSTIFY THAT ON THESE PLACES AND THE SUITS WHEN KIDS GROUPS AND PARENTS ARE STRUGGLING FOR FUNDS TO HAVE THEIR KIDS INVOLVED IN SOCCER,HOCKEY, PLAYSCHOOL, TAEKWONDO,A KID SPORT, WHERE IT KEEPS THEM OFF THE STREET AND THE MIND GOING. IT JUST PISSES ME OFF THAT THEY DONT SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON. I CERTAINLY CANT AFFORD TO GO GOLFING NEVER MIND MY KIDS.
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE

Wainwright, Canada

#6 Feb 29, 2008
BUT ITS 7 MILLION DOLLARS, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF KIDS ACTIVITIES AND YOU KNOW FOR DAMN SURE IT WAS MOSTLY FOR THE SUITS AND VOTE BUYING
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE

Wainwright, Canada

#7 Feb 29, 2008
DID YOU READ THE STORY. MOST OF THE MONEY WENT TO TORY RIDINGS,

Since: Feb 08

Lac La Biche, Canada

#8 Feb 29, 2008
Yes i did,
-$7 million in grants to golf clubs over three years =$2333333.33 per year. That's really not a lot when you look at the big money picture of Alberta and the amount of golf courses in Alberta.
To put it into perspective, the govenment released $500000 to the 2008 JUNO Awards in Calgary. A one time event that has no long term benefit for Albertans.
-More than half of the money was allocated in 2003 - Wasn't that 'Ralphs'election? and isn't that when the 'c's had 74 of Alberta's 83 seats? Kind of hard not to drop money into a PC riding at that time. I also noticed that the story DOESN'T mention if golf courses in the opposition riding even applied for grants. Did they? and what were they applying for? Maybe they didn't qualify in the grant structure.
let's look at the LLB, ST Paul riding for a minute.- Lac La Biche-St. Paul,$512882 (total), which works out to $170940.67 / year. Of that, it was probably shared between several clubs in the riding...
So, we piss on the government for spending on sports and then we piss on the governmemt when they don't spend it on sports...
wise one

Lac La Biche, Canada

#9 Feb 29, 2008
I guess some people who are homeless, losing their farms, who can't pay their power bills, have both parents working to make a meager living and nowhere to safely place their children have very little sympathy with the topic of mega money for golf courses; don't you think Kevin.

Since: Feb 08

Lac La Biche, Canada

#10 Feb 29, 2008
Well 'wise one', you are now trying to compare apples with oranges so it may take a bit to respond to your assertion that I have very little sympathy for homeless people, farmless farmers, unpaid power bills, two working parents with low incomes and no where to safely place their children, when it comes to 'mega' money for golf courses.
Keep this in mind if you can. A golf course can create revenue for regions, it can create employment in a region, in can provide recreation alternatives for a region, it can bring in 'new' money for a region via tourism etc, it can keep kids off the streets and out of trouble, It's not lilmited to only a kids activity. Adults can partake in it as well... There are many benfits that can be associated with a golf course. Maybe it can even help in addressing some ofthe issues you raised.
Now, let's look at some of the realities of the situations you expressed. They are fair and they are happening to real people.

Why can't people pay their power bills.- I'd have to put my money on the deregulation of the utilities as the first culprit. Never did like that idea. So what to do? Give every Alberta a cheque every month in hopes that they use it to cover the cost of power? That will get costly quicky and it won't solve the problem. If you think several million over 3 years for golf courses is 'mega money', do the math on giving every Albertan over 18 $50 or $100 a month over 3 years. Who's going to get rich off that scheme?

Homeless - Tough to debate this one. It's seems that if you say something negative about the homeless situation then you are attacking all the homeless. Not the case. Some people are in a very trying time with this issue. Maybe we should focus our attention on why some landlords doubled the price of there rentals in the last several years. Greed maybe? Should we provide rental rebate cheques to subsidise landlords? How far will 7 million go in this situation and who will benefit? Once the seven mil is gone people are stuck again. Why are no developers building rental accomodations anymore? Do we give them 7 mil as an incentive to build rental\low income properties? Once again, 7 mil will not provide much benefit to people and a select few will gain significantly from our tax dollars.(7 mil over 74 ridings -those who got golf course money-over 3 years.)
Right now, this riding has the opportunity to elect farmers into very significant positions of governemt. Who better to understand the issue of farmers losing their farms. How far would 7mil over 3 years go to benefit all the farmers in Alberta? That really won't help them much.
Do you start to see where I'm going with this 'wise one'?
As far as the gov giving 7 million over 3 years to help golf courses, I really don't have an issue with. There are benfits to it. We do fund and subsidise other things in this province as well. Some of those things directly benefitting the people you speak of.
I'd like to see one politician stand up in his constituency and say to the electorate, there's money available to help you with projects, sports and other things but I don't want you to apply for it because some may not agree with the way it's being spent. How long do you think he will be a politician for?
There's so much more to address in your post but to believe that I have little sympathy for people that need help is a character assasination in which you have no right to do.

Since: Feb 08

Lac La Biche, Canada

#11 Feb 29, 2008
Food for thought.... as reported by the CBC

It will cost Alberta taxpayers more than $5 million to say goodbye to 18 MLAs who are not running in the provincial election.

Former premier Ralph Klein scrapped a costly pension plan in 1993 and replaced it with a transition allowance that gives members of the legislative assembly three months' pay for every year they were in office.

Most of the 18 MLAs leaving provincial politics are Progressive Conservatives, but there is one Liberal (Maurice Tougas in Edmonton-Meadowlark) and one New Democrat (Raj Pannu in Edmonton-Strathcona).

Almost half have been in office for 15 years, which boosts the price of the payouts. Some former cabinet ministers such as Victor Doerksen, who represented Red Deer-South for four terms, stand to receive almost $500,000.

- Will I get 3 months pay for every year I worked when I leave my job? ha! Not on your life!
- Will Raj donate his share to a homeless shelter\food bank?
- Will Maurice offer his to a family in crisis?

Doesn't seem to matter which politcal stripe you are, there's big money for you in it!

So, once again, the perspective... 7 mil over 3 years covering 74 (+) golf courses against 18 people who decided to leave politics with a one time sum of 5 mil....
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE

Wainwright, Canada

#13 Feb 29, 2008
ok i got the point and got another side of the story it still comes down to more waste of money and good pensions to some politians that didnt stick up for the average albertan. so still why are we in the mess we are in today , it comes down to the SUITS.

Since: Feb 08

Bonnyville, Canada

#14 Feb 29, 2008
I believe I would have to concur with you that the SUITS don't seem to get it. Unfortunately, we seem to be at a stage in the game where it's "which politician do we allow to go feeding at the tax payers expense". It's a sad state when I have to judge my candidates on which ones going to do the least amount of damage rather than which one's going to do the most good. Maybe some of us average albertans are guilty of contributing to the problem by not being involved as much as we should be.
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE wrote:
it still comes down to more waste of money and good pensions to some politians that didnt stick up for the average albertan. so still why are we in the mess we are in today , it comes down to the SUITS.
ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE

Wainwright, Canada

#15 Feb 29, 2008
MAN DO YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT
paul shykora

Calgary, Canada

#16 Apr 13, 2008
...LONG LIVE the...TABER POTATOES,tooooooo booooot!!!...eh.Thankyous' All.GOD Bless.The hillbilly FARMBOY has spoken....now yodeling...eh.....
coffee shop

Lac La Biche, Canada

#18 Nov 22, 2008
here ted read

“Muggleford est. 2008”

Since: Oct 08

Lac La Biche

#19 Nov 22, 2008
Read? I can't read. You know that.

Oh, very well, since you obviously want me to comment, I will.

$7 million would not be enough money to keep seven decent courses operational for one year. Golf is an outrageously expensive game; hence the ridiculous amount of money courses charge people to play. The idea that $7mil would be enough to bail numerous courses out is a joke.

In my sad little opinion, golf is a great game that only the elite can afford. If something in a society is only used by a select few, then it should be the select few who pay for it. If government money is going to be directed towards keeping courses afloat, courses should be forced to decrease green fees so everyone can play.

“dr.sammanthalayt [email protected]

Since: Nov 08

veradero, cuba

#20 Nov 22, 2008
well said, again
Tiger in the Woods

Lac La Biche, Canada

#21 Nov 22, 2008
We should use our monies to complete the paved cartpaths because the bumps on the existing paths spill my cocktail.
wise one

Lac La Biche, Canada

#22 Nov 23, 2008
How about free golf for council and administration and gold lined toilets?{since satire is the name of this game or isn't it?)

“Muggleford est. 2008”

Since: Oct 08

Lac La Biche

#23 Nov 23, 2008
It is when the satire is funny.

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