Edmonton station to flout decision on...

Edmonton station to flout decision on 'offensive' Dire Straits tune

There are 18 comments on the Vancouver Sun story from Jan 14, 2011, titled Edmonton station to flout decision on 'offensive' Dire Straits tune. In it, Vancouver Sun reports that:

A A A A Mark Knopfler at Salle Wilfrid-Pelletier of Place des ArtsFriday, April 30, 2010 in Montreal Photograph by: , EDMONTON - An Edmonton rock station says it will flout a decision by the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council by playing a Dire Straits song from the 1980s that uses the term "faggot" non-stop for an hour Friday night.

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Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#1 Jan 14, 2011
Good for the radio station !

I have heard the song played on the radio before both with, and without, the word "faggot" in the song.

It's a GREAT song, I don't find the word offensive, I am against censorship, and censoring the song is a dangerous precedent on a slippery slope.

Thank God we have the First Amendment in the U.S.A.!

[begins singing all 4 stanzas of the national anthem]
Jack

Ocala, FL

#2 Jan 14, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
Good for the radio station !
I have heard the song played on the radio before both with, and without, the word "faggot" in the song.
It's a GREAT song, I don't find the word offensive, I am against censorship, and censoring the song is a dangerous precedent on a slippery slope.
Thank God we have the First Amendment in the U.S.A.!
[begins singing all 4 stanzas of the national anthem]
I totally agree. The context of the word makes clear that the character using it is a red neck. Dire Straits was one of my favorite groups waaaay back in the day.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#3 Jan 14, 2011
Jack wrote:
<quoted text>
I totally agree. The context of the word makes clear that the character using it is a red neck. Dire Straits was one of my favorite groups waaaay back in the day.
I don't think they were around in 1964.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#4 Jan 14, 2011
Good!

Pump up the Volume !!!

Talk HARD!!!
Leftatalbuquerqu e

Toronto, Canada

#5 Jan 14, 2011
Isn't 25 years of hearing this derogatory word on the radio enough?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#6 Jan 15, 2011
ARRGH! I agree with Frank!

Censorship sucks. Words only have the power that we give them, and context matters. This word has never bothered me, I use it myself. If someone uses it in front of me, it's more important that I interpret their INTENT behind it, rather than the fact that they strung some letters togther. Plenty of people are offended by the OTHER "F" word, but we don't cut it out of conversation altogether. We just filter it depending on the company.

I always thought that this song used the word in an almost endearing way. He sings about the wonderful success that "that fa**ot" has gotten from being a rock star, and how much he wants the same. He even sings in defense, "yeah buddy, that's his own hair." I grew up in the 80's, and man we had some gay hair.

CRAM what they're trying to do to this song, and Huckleberry Finn, too. Appreciate art for what it is, for how it was created by the artist, and for what it tells us about the time it was created in.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#7 Jan 15, 2011
While I love my new country, one can become annoyed with things one if fond of, like relatives. In this case, I think Canada is reverting to its tendency to become patronizing and schoolmarmish. It is equivalent to dropping the "N" word from "Huckleberry Finn" because folks are unable to read it in context.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#8 Jan 15, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
While I love my new country, one can become annoyed with things one if fond of, like relatives. In this case, I think Canada is reverting to its tendency to become patronizing and schoolmarmish. It is equivalent to dropping the "N" word from "Huckleberry Finn" because folks are unable to read it in context.
I said the very same thing in another thread, and was taken to task for it. I still believe censorship is wrong, useless, and counter-productive.

“Child of the Universe”

Since: Aug 09

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

#9 Jan 15, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
While I love my new country, one can become annoyed with things one if fond of, like relatives. In this case, I think Canada is reverting to its tendency to become patronizing and schoolmarmish. It is equivalent to dropping the "N" word from "Huckleberry Finn" because folks are unable to read it in context.
If you don't like how Canada is trying to provide you with a positive society that values you, validates you and tries to keep negative, derogatory speech from possible making you feel less-than, then by all means, return to the welcoming arms of the United States.

Most kids hearing this song DO NOT pick up on the fact it is being sung about a character. They only hear the word. Realising it is being sung in the third-person is an adult concept. I was 20 years old in 1985. All I heard at the time was that someone regarded f@&&0+s (notice how even Topix disallows the word) as only worthy of contempt.

Free speech is not responsible speech, and is used as an excuse for hate speech.

Which is worth more? The "freedom" to belittle, or the "restriction" to not?
John S

United States

#10 Jan 15, 2011
EdmondWA wrote:
ARRGH! I agree with Frank!
Censorship sucks. Words only have the power that we give them, and context matters. This word has never bothered me, I use it myself. If someone uses it in front of me, it's more important that I interpret their INTENT behind it, rather than the fact that they strung some letters togther. Plenty of people are offended by the OTHER "F" word, but we don't cut it out of conversation altogether. We just filter it depending on the company.
I always thought that this song used the word in an almost endearing way. He sings about the wonderful success that "that fa**ot" has gotten from being a rock star, and how much he wants the same. He even sings in defense, "yeah buddy, that's his own hair." I grew up in the 80's, and man we had some gay hair.

CRAM what they're trying to do to this song, and Huckleberry Finn, too. Appreciate art for what it is, for how it was created by the artist, and for what it tells us about the time it was created in.
Ok so lets do some oils paintings of red necks stringing up a gay kid or like they do in Iraq hanging them from tractor cranes for all to see. Hey why not, I guess you could call that art too.

I will say one thing they talk about the fagots getting their chicks for free. A little bit of an oxymoron when most gay guys don't go for chicks if they are for free. Point is why do so many have to use the words Gay, Fag, or queer when referring to something negative. If they used the N word each time they meant queer or Gay everybody would blowing it.
John S

United States

#11 Jan 15, 2011
I have always liked this band and I know it's hard to wait 25 years to criticize something.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#12 Jan 15, 2011
John S wrote:
Ok so lets do some oils paintings of red necks stringing up a gay kid or like they do in Iraq hanging them from tractor cranes for all to see. Hey why not, I guess you could call that art too.
Good art has something important to say. If you're a good enough artist, and you have a good enough message, then you could paint a picture of ANYTHING, even gay-bashing, and it will STILL be art. If you're just doing it to say ugly things and incite hatred and violence, that's not art. And that's not what Mark Knopfler, or Mark Twain, were doing. Like I said, this was a reflection of the times. Their art was not created with hatred as the motivation.
John S wrote:
I will say one thing they talk about the fagots getting their chicks for free. A little bit of an oxymoron when most gay guys don't go for chicks if they are for free.
The part about "chicks for free" is nowhere near the part about fa**ots. The song just says that playing your guitar on MTV gets you money for nothing and chicks for free. It's a song about becoming a rock star and living the good life. Is Mark Knopfler going to sing about getting his DUDES for free?
John S wrote:
Point is why do so many have to use the words Gay, Fag, or queer when referring to something negative. If they used the N word each time they meant queer or Gay everybody would blowing it.
People use words that describe other people or cultures as derogatory terms all the time. It's an empowerment tactic used by bullies. Have you ever called someone "Jewish" because they don't like to spend any money? If a buddy performs poorly at sports, don't you rib him for being like a "girl"? But is there anything actually WRONG with being Jewish or Female? It isn't the WORD that is bad, or even the person being described. It's the USE, the INTENT. If you want to say that someone or something is bad, just say it's BAD. It isn't necessary to degrade ANOTHER someone or something in the process. When I use the word fa**ot or queer, I'm only talking about gay people, not anyone that I seek to malign by COMPARING them to gay people.

Here's one: Green Day's 2004 song "American Idiot" ALSO uses the word fa**ot, but singer Billy Joe Armstrong uses it to describe HIMSELF. He uses it in DEFIANCE of "a redneck agenda". This is completely opposite to all this silly rhetoric about the Dire Straits song. Should that be banned too? Should we forbid all musicians and artists from self-deprecation? Should we ban all words that can be used this way?
Irikanji

Boston, MA

#13 Jan 16, 2011
Context and intent in this situation, and others like it, are everything.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#14 Jan 16, 2011
Leftatalbuquerque wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't like how Canada is trying to provide you with a positive society that values you, validates you and tries to keep negative, derogatory speech from possible making you feel less-than, then by all means, return to the welcoming arms of the United States.
Most kids hearing this song DO NOT pick up on the fact it is being sung about a character. They only hear the word. Realising it is being sung in the third-person is an adult concept. I was 20 years old in 1985. All I heard at the time was that someone regarded f@&&0+s (notice how even Topix disallows the word) as only worthy of contempt.
Free speech is not responsible speech, and is used as an excuse for hate speech.
Which is worth more? The "freedom" to belittle, or the "restriction" to not?
What is worth more than being free from hate is being free from the stupidity of people who CANNOT learn to read things in context as well as society's support of stupdity. As I mentioned, I did not condemn Canada as being bad, just said I am a bit annoyed with it in SOME aspects. Get it? S-O-M-E!!!!!!!!!! Or are you another stupid person who can only think in total black and white?

I am getting more and more annoyed with the world of idiots who think everything is absolute.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#15 Jan 16, 2011
...and I should add, read others comments as it worded in absolute terms when in fact they not.

“Child of the Universe”

Since: Aug 09

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

#16 Jan 18, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
<quoted text>
What is worth more than being free from hate is being free from the stupidity of people who CANNOT learn to read things in context as well as society's support of stupdity. As I mentioned, I did not condemn Canada as being bad, just said I am a bit annoyed with it in SOME aspects. Get it? S-O-M-E!!!!!!!!!! Or are you another stupid person who can only think in total black and white?
I am getting more and more annoyed with the world of idiots who think everything is absolute.
Thank you for inferring that I am a stupid person who can only think in black and white, especially after I pointed out that most kids hearing the song never paid any attention to its context, they just heard the f-word on public radio and assumed its social acceptance.

Your true colours have shown. I'll stay black and white for now.
TABOO

Melbourne, Australia

#17 Jan 24, 2011
Hope the Newfoundland female in the "Covered Waggon" can tune in to the "air-waves"
eduardo calderon

Glendora, CA

#18 Oct 7, 2011
hi i have the fist album i bolieve of dire straits and is signed by everybody in the group mark, david, john and pick is from 1978 i will like to know how much is the value and if there is any body interestring to buy it. my email is [email protected] thanks

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