Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish...

Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

There are 61861 comments on the WGRZ Buffalo story from Oct 14, 2007, titled Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY. In it, WGRZ Buffalo reports that:

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York.

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MsgrBadski

Riverside, CT

#57637 Nov 20, 2013
ANON wrote:
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But 80% of the pedophile priests are gay. How many times do we have to repeat this statistic. No use ignoring it just because it's abhorrent. And what is this " sub culture" It is THE culture. Nobody is even trying to cover it up. They are proud to be the devil in disguise.
Yes, at least one seminary professor, John Gallen SJ. was both a pedophile and a solicitor of sex from his seminarians at the now defunct Woodstock college. Jesuits who studied there knew about his homosexuality and many of them complained to the Provincials, who finally had to remove him. His name is on bishopaccountablity.org . under the Diocese of Toledo for having oral sex with a sixteen year old boy. Some of these guys just don't care where they get sex as long as they get.(Gallen was the author of "Scripture Services", a book of Bible vigils, used at SJV and DPS.)
Straight Facts

Boston, MA

#57638 Nov 20, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
The fifth version of the Gettysburg address, which was signed and dated by Lincoln, was considered the ‘final’ version and included ‘under God’ in its last sentence.” Recently President Obama omitted it. Oh, America the beautiful…
More inaccurate ranting from right wing potty mouths. Pres Obama wasn't reading the fifth version of the speech: http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2013/11/19/di...
Mary of Magdela

Tonawanda, NY

#57639 Nov 20, 2013
MsgrBadski wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, at least one seminary professor, John Gallen SJ. was both a pedophile and a solicitor of sex from his seminarians at the now defunct Woodstock college. Jesuits who studied there knew about his homosexuality and many of them complained to the Provincials, who finally had to remove him. His name is on bishopaccountablity.org . under the Diocese of Toledo for having oral sex with a sixteen year old boy. Some of these guys just don't care where they get sex as long as they get.(Gallen was the author of "Scripture Services", a book of Bible vigils, used at SJV and DPS.)
I have a friend who attended an all boy Catholic High School. His uncle was a priest and he used to complain that his uncle would not let him hang around after school. Many of the guys did not mind allowing oral sex in return for cigarettes, dirty magazines and liquor. I am not condoning this behavior but I think they knew what they were doing. This is another example of why celibacy does not work. On the subject of gay priests, what do you expect when any young man who showed the slightest interest in girls was run off? You can not have it both ways.
Anonymous

United States

#57640 Nov 20, 2013
Today is Internationa Day of the Child. There are an estimated 150 million street children and 223 million victims of sexual abuse. The United States with Somalia and Sudan are the only countries which have not ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Everybody talks only about the 6-8 abuses a year by the clergy.
Anonymous

New York, NY

#57641 Nov 20, 2013
Traditional Catholic theology as summarized in the catechism states that men are called to the priesthood by God. So despite statements that homosexual priests are either a scandal or embarrassment, Catholic belief is that all men called to holy orders are responding to a divine call.(As an aside, it is perhaps unsurprising that in a church that enjoins celibacy on homosexuals, some gay men would choose the celibate life of the priest.) Some have argued that the ordination of homosexuals somehow represents the church in error. But homosexual priests, like heterosexual priests, are ordained through the divine authority of the church, which has that responsibility and right and, according to traditional Catholic theology, imprints on the priest an indelible spiritual character.

Therefore, one can state that God has called, and is continuing to call, homosexuals to serve as priests in the church and that the church confirms this call through ordination. The question, then, is not whether God is calling homosexual men to the priesthood, but why. Theologically, how might one understand these signs of the times?
Anon

New York, NY

#57642 Nov 20, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
Traditional Catholic theology as summarized in the catechism states that men are called to the priesthood by God. So despite statements that homosexual priests are either a scandal or embarrassment, Catholic belief is that all men called to holy orders are responding to a divine call.(As an aside, it is perhaps unsurprising that in a church that enjoins celibacy on homosexuals, some gay men would choose the celibate life of the priest.) Some have argued that the ordination of homosexuals somehow represents the church in error. But homosexual priests, like heterosexual priests, are ordained through the divine authority of the church, which has that responsibility and right and, according to traditional Catholic theology, imprints on the priest an indelible spiritual character.
Therefore, one can state that God has called, and is continuing to call, homosexuals to serve as priests in the church and that the church confirms this call through ordination. The question, then, is not whether God is calling homosexual men to the priesthood, but why. Theologically, how might one understand these signs of the times?
Good question, indeed!
If homosexuality is such an abomination, is so wrong, not natural, is evil, etc....... then why (according to Catholic belief) is God calling homosexuals to become priests?
Diavolo

Niagara Falls, NY

#57643 Nov 20, 2013
ANON wrote:
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But 80% of the pedophile priests are gay. How many times do we have to repeat this statistic. No use ignoring it just because it's abhorrent. And what is this " sub culture" It is THE culture. Nobody is even trying to cover it up. They are proud to be the devil in disguise.
Are you one of those 'devils in disguise?'
Calling

Lancaster, NY

#57644 Nov 20, 2013
The teaching is that God is calling men to be priests and to live a celibate life - hetero or homo. Isn't it a matter of knowing who you are and accepting the call to service and ministry and living a celibate life
MsgrBadski

Riverside, CT

#57645 Nov 20, 2013
Clarification: Most pedophiles sex is homosexual in nature, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles.
MsgrBadski

Riverside, CT

#57646 Nov 20, 2013
Another notorious gay Jesuit was, of course, John McNeil, a Buffalo boy, from the now defunct St. Nicholas parish. He was the author of the book, "The church and the Homosexual", which was banned by the Vatican. He was eventually removed by from the order for violating a ban on his speaking on the subject of homosexuality. He, by his own admission, engaged in gay sex, even while under the vow of chastity.
MsgrBadski

Riverside, CT

#57647 Nov 20, 2013
Other Jesuits have told me that a few of the Novice directors at the Jesuit novitiate seemed to have a predilection for gay novices. One Jesuit even told he was advising young men interested in pursuing a vocation to try other religious orders.
anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#57648 Nov 20, 2013
silv wrote:
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OLV should be next. Same building materials as New Cathedral.
And why did They bother to build such a structure? Weren't there enough poor people around at the time that needed help? What's the point of these beautiful places? If we follow today's thinking they should all be torn down for the smaller , cheaper and smarter buildings. Does Our Lady of Victory need such a grand church? Does her mother St. Ann need one? What was the reasoning for building these majestic places? What's the reason for the priests wearing fancy vestments?
Speak ers

Buffalo, NY

#57649 Nov 20, 2013
Straight Facts wrote:
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More inaccurate ranting from right wing potty mouths. Pres Obama wasn't reading the fifth version of the speech: http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2013/11/19/di...
Why did he choose THAT version is the question. He should have written his own speech since he is so brilliant and so eloquent.
Mary of Magdela

Tonawanda, NY

#57650 Nov 20, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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And why did They bother to build such a structure? Weren't there enough poor people around at the time that needed help? What's the point of these beautiful places? If we follow today's thinking they should all be torn down for the smaller , cheaper and smarter buildings. Does Our Lady of Victory need such a grand church? Does her mother St. Ann need one? What was the reasoning for building these majestic places? What's the reason for the priests wearing fancy vestments?
Fr. Baker built it to honor Our Lady of Victory. In those days it was considered a good thing to do. I am not sure where you are from but most of Fr's. ministry revolved around the poor. He took in orphans and educated them. He had bread lines during the depression. He also cared for the babies with disabilities and later on the unwed mothers. I don't know what your problem is with OLV but it is very financially solvent so I think you should just leave it alone.
anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#57651 Nov 21, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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Fr. Baker built it to honor Our Lady of Victory. In those days it was considered a good thing to do. I am not sure where you are from but most of Fr's. ministry revolved around the poor. He took in orphans and educated them. He had bread lines during the depression. He also cared for the babies with disabilities and later on the unwed mothers. I don't know what your problem is with OLV but it is very financially solvent so I think you should just leave it alone.
You missed the point entirely. Shame on you. Of course they are needed for reasons you can not even imagine. Of course they should be supported and maintained and appreciated. All the great works built by human hands on earth for the glory of God. Let each one do what they can without the diocese pushing for their demolition with outrageous claims. Why drive the faithful out of their churches instead of letting them repair them. People will step up when given an opportunity. And they will surprise you. Why doesn't St. Ann's deserve any consideration and Holy Trinity in Niagara Falls? How do you justify demolishing St. Barbara's and leaving a a little tool shed in it's place?
Restoration of these great structures instead of letting them rot like St. Gerard's would also create training opportunities and jobs for the unemployed. There's more to helping the poor than soup kitchens and recycling old clothes.
Mary of Magdela

Tonawanda, NY

#57652 Nov 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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You missed the point entirely. Shame on you. Of course they are needed for reasons you can not even imagine. Of course they should be supported and maintained and appreciated. All the great works built by human hands on earth for the glory of God. Let each one do what they can without the diocese pushing for their demolition with outrageous claims. Why drive the faithful out of their churches instead of letting them repair them. People will step up when given an opportunity. And they will surprise you. Why doesn't St. Ann's deserve any consideration and Holy Trinity in Niagara Falls? How do you justify demolishing St. Barbara's and leaving a a little tool shed in it's place?
Restoration of these great structures instead of letting them rot like St. Gerard's would also create training opportunities and jobs for the unemployed. There's more to helping the poor than soup kitchens and recycling old clothes.
WOW! That last line was not only mean but way too personal! The people of OLV along with many people around the world support the Church. That is the difference. I feel badly about your parishes. I live near the shell of a former parish. Having said that, if the surrounding community does not support a parish, a few well meaning individuals can not do it themselves. Your beef is not with me or other parishes that are thriving, it is with your former parishioners who abandoned their Church.

“Dorata's worthless turd”

Since: Mar 09

Buffalo, NY

#57653 Nov 21, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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I have a friend who attended an all boy Catholic High School. His uncle was a priest and he used to complain that his uncle would not let him hang around after school. Many of the guys did not mind allowing oral sex in return for cigarettes, dirty magazines and liquor. I am not condoning this behavior but I think they knew what they were doing. This is another example of why celibacy does not work. On the subject of gay priests, what do you expect when any young man who showed the slightest interest in girls was run off? You can not have it both ways.
Mary, I'm kind of like your friend and I attended Canisius HS in the late 50's.

Perhaps I know your other friend. I was street-wise at an early age and could easily obtain my Lucky Strikes, skin mags, eight pagers and other party supplies without relying on a clergy member.
That said, the nude swimming was not my favorite activity at CHS.

As a mid 50's altar boy and as a student, I had no uncomfortable experiences and was never propositioned by a priest or a nun.
I received a good elementary education from dedicated nuns.
I would walk to the rectory at 5:30am and meet Father and we drove to E. J. Meyer Hospital to say Mass in the chapel.

Those were good days for me.
Nothing stays the same; we move forward.
There are many paths up that mountain that we all climb, I hope I see you at the top my friend.
Mary of Magdela

Tonawanda, NY

#57654 Nov 21, 2013
Buffalo BarFly wrote:
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Mary, I'm kind of like your friend and I attended Canisius HS in the late 50's.
Perhaps I know your other friend. I was street-wise at an early age and could easily obtain my Lucky Strikes, skin mags, eight pagers and other party supplies without relying on a clergy member.
That said, the nude swimming was not my favorite activity at CHS.
As a mid 50's altar boy and as a student, I had no uncomfortable experiences and was never propositioned by a priest or a nun.
I received a good elementary education from dedicated nuns.
I would walk to the rectory at 5:30am and meet Father and we drove to E. J. Meyer Hospital to say Mass in the chapel.
Those were good days for me.
Nothing stays the same; we move forward.
There are many paths up that mountain that we all climb, I hope I see you at the top my friend.
First, no wonder you are so articulate at times you had a great education! 3 of my 4 sons attended CHS. I would never expect that there. I am speaking of a school of a different order. More south but I don't know anything about the Polish priests even further south. I loved the nuns. I was educated by them from 7th-12th. I never had a problem with them. Thank you for your kind words and yes, I am grateful for your friendship.
anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#57655 Nov 21, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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WOW! That last line was not only mean but way too personal! The people of OLV along with many people around the world support the Church. That is the difference. I feel badly about your parishes. I live near the shell of a former parish. Having said that, if the surrounding community does not support a parish, a few well meaning individuals can not do it themselves. Your beef is not with me or other parishes that are thriving, it is with your former parishioners who have abandoned the Church.
Who said that a few well meaning individuals can not do it by themselves? Have they been given a chance? How many people did Father Baker start with? The locals didn't even want him there. And was the Bishop so supportive of him? They still have the "penny" drive that he started don't they? Because 100 pennies make a dollar.
He was successful because he had faith in God, Our Lady and his fellow man. What's our excuse?
Mary of Magdela

Tonawanda, NY

#57656 Nov 22, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Who said that a few well meaning individuals can not do it by themselves? Have they been given a chance? How many people did Father Baker start with? The locals didn't even want him there. And was the Bishop so supportive of him? They still have the "penny" drive that he started don't they? Because 100 pennies make a dollar.
He was successful because he had faith in God, Our Lady and his fellow man. What's our excuse?
I am unsure as to where you get your information. Fr. had no difficulties with the bishops he served under. When he first arrived on Limestone Hill, the parish was heavily in debt. He used his own money to begin paying off the debts. He attributed his good fortune to our Lady. The gas wells went a long way to helping in his endeavors. Last and certainly not least, he was beloved by the people you call local. I should know, my father grew up in one of the many houses he built on South Park. He did not start the penny drive. That came later but was cool. Certainly you don't believe it supported the parish? His devotion to Our Blessed Mother drew people and the donations to the Church. His business sense and deep love guided him on his path.

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