Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York. Full Story
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#57631 Nov 18, 2013
Yes, Mary, I am quite well aware that most gays are not pedophiles. I am sorry I did not make the distinction clearer Some on should put together something on the gay stranglehold at 795 and also in other chanceries. Buffalo is just a microcosmic reflection at what is reportedly occurring in the Vatican and also in the Jesuit order.
New and broken

Newark, NJ

#57632 Nov 19, 2013
The “new” cathedral was demolished. Its furnishings were sold by the wreckers in partial payment for the $250,000 incurred in razing the structure. An apartment complex was erected on the site.
The faithful returned to the smaller cathedral close to downtown. It had been a mere 61 years since the Bishop left that seat.
Anonymous

United States

#57633 Nov 19, 2013
The fifth version of the Gettysburg address, which was signed and dated by Lincoln, was considered the ‘final’ version and included ‘under God’ in its last sentence.” Recently President Obama omitted it. Oh, America the beautiful…
Anonymous

New York, NY

#57634 Nov 19, 2013
Well, it's bout that time when we are going to start hearing some of the beautiful Polish Koledy.

Wesolych Swiat Bozego Narodzenia

Niech Dzieciatko Jezus blogoslawi wam w tym sezonie.

http://youtu.be/_0FXUx4RENo
silv

Buffalo, NY

#57635 Nov 19, 2013
New and broken wrote:
The “new” cathedral was demolished. Its furnishings were sold by the wreckers in partial payment for the $250,000 incurred in razing the structure. An apartment complex was erected on the site.
The faithful returned to the smaller cathedral close to downtown. It had been a mere 61 years since the Bishop left that seat.
OLV should be next. Same building materials as New Cathedral.
ANON

Buffalo, NY

#57636 Nov 19, 2013
MsgrBadski wrote:
Yes, Mary, I am quite well aware that most gays are not pedophiles. I am sorry I did not make the distinction clearer Some on should put together something on the gay stranglehold at 795 and also in other chanceries. Buffalo is just a microcosmic reflection at what is reportedly occurring in the Vatican and also in the Jesuit order.
But 80% of the pedophile priests are gay. How many times do we have to repeat this statistic. No use ignoring it just because it's abhorrent. And what is this " sub culture" It is THE culture. Nobody is even trying to cover it up. They are proud to be the devil in disguise.
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#57637 Nov 20, 2013
ANON wrote:
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But 80% of the pedophile priests are gay. How many times do we have to repeat this statistic. No use ignoring it just because it's abhorrent. And what is this " sub culture" It is THE culture. Nobody is even trying to cover it up. They are proud to be the devil in disguise.
Yes, at least one seminary professor, John Gallen SJ. was both a pedophile and a solicitor of sex from his seminarians at the now defunct Woodstock college. Jesuits who studied there knew about his homosexuality and many of them complained to the Provincials, who finally had to remove him. His name is on bishopaccountablity.org . under the Diocese of Toledo for having oral sex with a sixteen year old boy. Some of these guys just don't care where they get sex as long as they get.(Gallen was the author of "Scripture Services", a book of Bible vigils, used at SJV and DPS.)
Straight Facts

Woburn, MA

#57638 Nov 20, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
The fifth version of the Gettysburg address, which was signed and dated by Lincoln, was considered the ‘final’ version and included ‘under God’ in its last sentence.” Recently President Obama omitted it. Oh, America the beautiful…
More inaccurate ranting from right wing potty mouths. Pres Obama wasn't reading the fifth version of the speech: http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2013/11/19/di...
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#57639 Nov 20, 2013
MsgrBadski wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, at least one seminary professor, John Gallen SJ. was both a pedophile and a solicitor of sex from his seminarians at the now defunct Woodstock college. Jesuits who studied there knew about his homosexuality and many of them complained to the Provincials, who finally had to remove him. His name is on bishopaccountablity.org . under the Diocese of Toledo for having oral sex with a sixteen year old boy. Some of these guys just don't care where they get sex as long as they get.(Gallen was the author of "Scripture Services", a book of Bible vigils, used at SJV and DPS.)
I have a friend who attended an all boy Catholic High School. His uncle was a priest and he used to complain that his uncle would not let him hang around after school. Many of the guys did not mind allowing oral sex in return for cigarettes, dirty magazines and liquor. I am not condoning this behavior but I think they knew what they were doing. This is another example of why celibacy does not work. On the subject of gay priests, what do you expect when any young man who showed the slightest interest in girls was run off? You can not have it both ways.
Anonymous

United States

#57640 Nov 20, 2013
Today is Internationa Day of the Child. There are an estimated 150 million street children and 223 million victims of sexual abuse. The United States with Somalia and Sudan are the only countries which have not ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Everybody talks only about the 6-8 abuses a year by the clergy.
Anonymous

New York, NY

#57641 Nov 20, 2013
Traditional Catholic theology as summarized in the catechism states that men are called to the priesthood by God. So despite statements that homosexual priests are either a scandal or embarrassment, Catholic belief is that all men called to holy orders are responding to a divine call.(As an aside, it is perhaps unsurprising that in a church that enjoins celibacy on homosexuals, some gay men would choose the celibate life of the priest.) Some have argued that the ordination of homosexuals somehow represents the church in error. But homosexual priests, like heterosexual priests, are ordained through the divine authority of the church, which has that responsibility and right and, according to traditional Catholic theology, imprints on the priest an indelible spiritual character.

Therefore, one can state that God has called, and is continuing to call, homosexuals to serve as priests in the church and that the church confirms this call through ordination. The question, then, is not whether God is calling homosexual men to the priesthood, but why. Theologically, how might one understand these signs of the times?
Anon

New York, NY

#57642 Nov 20, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
Traditional Catholic theology as summarized in the catechism states that men are called to the priesthood by God. So despite statements that homosexual priests are either a scandal or embarrassment, Catholic belief is that all men called to holy orders are responding to a divine call.(As an aside, it is perhaps unsurprising that in a church that enjoins celibacy on homosexuals, some gay men would choose the celibate life of the priest.) Some have argued that the ordination of homosexuals somehow represents the church in error. But homosexual priests, like heterosexual priests, are ordained through the divine authority of the church, which has that responsibility and right and, according to traditional Catholic theology, imprints on the priest an indelible spiritual character.
Therefore, one can state that God has called, and is continuing to call, homosexuals to serve as priests in the church and that the church confirms this call through ordination. The question, then, is not whether God is calling homosexual men to the priesthood, but why. Theologically, how might one understand these signs of the times?
Good question, indeed!
If homosexuality is such an abomination, is so wrong, not natural, is evil, etc....... then why (according to Catholic belief) is God calling homosexuals to become priests?
Diavolo

Niagara Falls, NY

#57643 Nov 20, 2013
ANON wrote:
<quoted text>
But 80% of the pedophile priests are gay. How many times do we have to repeat this statistic. No use ignoring it just because it's abhorrent. And what is this " sub culture" It is THE culture. Nobody is even trying to cover it up. They are proud to be the devil in disguise.
Are you one of those 'devils in disguise?'
Calling

Hamburg, NY

#57644 Nov 20, 2013
The teaching is that God is calling men to be priests and to live a celibate life - hetero or homo. Isn't it a matter of knowing who you are and accepting the call to service and ministry and living a celibate life
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#57645 Nov 20, 2013
Clarification: Most pedophiles sex is homosexual in nature, but not all homosexuals are pedophiles.
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#57646 Nov 20, 2013
Another notorious gay Jesuit was, of course, John McNeil, a Buffalo boy, from the now defunct St. Nicholas parish. He was the author of the book, "The church and the Homosexual", which was banned by the Vatican. He was eventually removed by from the order for violating a ban on his speaking on the subject of homosexuality. He, by his own admission, engaged in gay sex, even while under the vow of chastity.
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#57647 Nov 20, 2013
Other Jesuits have told me that a few of the Novice directors at the Jesuit novitiate seemed to have a predilection for gay novices. One Jesuit even told he was advising young men interested in pursuing a vocation to try other religious orders.
anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#57648 Nov 20, 2013
silv wrote:
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OLV should be next. Same building materials as New Cathedral.
And why did They bother to build such a structure? Weren't there enough poor people around at the time that needed help? What's the point of these beautiful places? If we follow today's thinking they should all be torn down for the smaller , cheaper and smarter buildings. Does Our Lady of Victory need such a grand church? Does her mother St. Ann need one? What was the reasoning for building these majestic places? What's the reason for the priests wearing fancy vestments?
Speak ers

Buffalo, NY

#57649 Nov 20, 2013
Straight Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
More inaccurate ranting from right wing potty mouths. Pres Obama wasn't reading the fifth version of the speech: http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2013/11/19/di...
Why did he choose THAT version is the question. He should have written his own speech since he is so brilliant and so eloquent.
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#57650 Nov 20, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
And why did They bother to build such a structure? Weren't there enough poor people around at the time that needed help? What's the point of these beautiful places? If we follow today's thinking they should all be torn down for the smaller , cheaper and smarter buildings. Does Our Lady of Victory need such a grand church? Does her mother St. Ann need one? What was the reasoning for building these majestic places? What's the reason for the priests wearing fancy vestments?
Fr. Baker built it to honor Our Lady of Victory. In those days it was considered a good thing to do. I am not sure where you are from but most of Fr's. ministry revolved around the poor. He took in orphans and educated them. He had bread lines during the depression. He also cared for the babies with disabilities and later on the unwed mothers. I don't know what your problem is with OLV but it is very financially solvent so I think you should just leave it alone.

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