U.S. and Canadian ports gear up for t...

U.S. and Canadian ports gear up for trade war

There are 67 comments on the Daily Breeze story from Oct 23, 2009, titled U.S. and Canadian ports gear up for trade war. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

West Coast ports fret that they'll lose business as Canada spends $7 million on a campaign to persuade shippers to land cargo bound for the U.S. at docks in Vancouver or Prince Rupert.

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Employed by Port of LA

Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA

#2 Oct 24, 2009
not just ILWU thought they had a goose that laid a lot of golden eggs and everything could be paid for by jacking up container rates so that the big company can pay for it.
Everybody was worried about Mexico but a port there had to be built from scratch I guess.
Canada is faster, cheaper and likely safer than a route through Mexico; sorry my south of the border friends I love and respect you all but there is a lot more crime it seems down there as opposed to our brothers and sisters in north.
Also a route through Canada will cause some expansion along our northern border at say Minnesota that will get support in the USA.
Outsourcing your job sucks doesn't it? All that stuff shipped in the US sucked a manufacturing job out of here and there was nothing left to replace it.
Here's some Commie speak: I think thanks to Bush (and all of us who supported his policies)we have gone well on to recreating the US economy before or just afte the Great Depression. We support investment but investors choose to put money where the return is best and that will create an economy here with a relatively small block of investors, a very small block of lucky and smart tech guys who struck it rich and the rest of us being put in the bucket of parasitic service folk at a relatively low wage. Things will be made in the manufacturing centers of China and our software jobs will be in India. What jobs we have will be defense contractor jobs because our troops will be in the middle east. Not very pretty.

I should write a book "Left Behind: The Modern US Economy Goes to Hell"
Starve out the unions

San Diego, CA

#3 Oct 24, 2009
Between the unions and Janice Hahn we might as well close down the ports rather than spend more money on so called improvements and modernization. The shipping lines are no longer your cash cow that will pay fees to support 6 figure salaries to lazy, unskilled dockworkers and their union bosses. If you want business at the ports you're going to have to tackle the beast (unions and taxes). Asking the taxpayers for more money is not going to fix the problem.
America

Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA

#4 Oct 24, 2009
is evolving into the new China or India. Our standard of living has been permanently hurt due to job outsourcing to other countries and lack of community planning in our own country. Too many roads & unnecessary sprawl created a maze of new costly infrastructure & services to support.
jon

Eatontown, NJ

#5 Oct 24, 2009
the problem is not canada. it's california. california policies that put burdens on businesses. pollution on tankers and ships coming into their ports. california politicions cut the throats of big business and then look for the feds to bail them out. way too much government in california. their policies are never thought out in time. it is always now. therefore running to beg for money. horrible. not fiscally responsible.
The Truth

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#6 Oct 24, 2009
Prince Rupert longshoremen are ILWU members.
David

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#7 Oct 24, 2009
The Truth wrote:
Prince Rupert longshoremen are ILWU members.
Are they as lazy and greedy as our longshoremen?
Missourian

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#8 Oct 24, 2009
jon wrote:
the problem is not canada. it's california. california policies that put burdens on businesses. pollution on tankers and ships coming into their ports. california politicions cut the throats of big business and then look for the feds to bail them out. way too much government in california. their policies are never thought out in time. it is always now. therefore running to beg for money. horrible. not fiscally responsible.
I'm sure you would get along very well with policy makers in China and India. Clean water and clean air are not even considerations there and workers are just so many sheep to be shorn.
David

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#9 Oct 24, 2009
Here is what their Business Agents make.
http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionProfile ...
no kool aid for me

Sun City, CA

#10 Oct 24, 2009
What do you expect when the American business model kow-tows to the enviro-pagan mindset, The global warming hustle, higher taxes, attacks on diesel trucks. California is a job killing machine. People, or should I say sheeple just sit back and nod in agreement when the Leadership and the beaurocrats pass rules, regulations and laws that do nothing but destroy jobs.
Jess

San Francisco, CA

#11 Oct 24, 2009
In order to compete with the growing threat of ports in Canada, Mexico, the Gulf, South Atlantic and East Coast, the Port of Los Angeles needs to honestly review how its own policies are driving cargo away.
Freightman

Oxnard, CA

#12 Oct 24, 2009
I just paid 70 bucks each on two containers for clean trucks and a hundred each for pierpass. That money is to fund Villa's grand plan to unionize the trucking industry on the docks. Pretty soon the dockworkers will be working at warehouses making 8 bucks an hour if they can find work at all. I advised my customer to go out of Vancouver and ship East either by Trans Canada Rail or Highway.
Freightman says it all

San Diego, CA

#13 Oct 24, 2009
Listen up governator, Janice Hahn and Villaraigosa. If the governator can bypass environmental regs to build an NFL stadium to create several thousand low paying, seasonal jobs then why doesn't he kill the regs down here to keep thousands of full-time, well paid jobs (too well paid for the most part but that's another story)? While you're at it, bust the unions. They're just organized crime like the gangs.
BInformed

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Oct 24, 2009
Wow! Nothing like a Saturday morning bash about the shipping industry. Like politics and religion, and now the Port and all of it's policies and opinions to get the juices flowing. Is there a true solution? It appears that most of us have already decided who the good guys, and bad guys already are. It's not the Canadians. It's FREE ENTERPRISE. This is what drives competition. If you are unhappy, then go to the source which is the leaders, and the politicians who can effect change. The Unions are NEVER going to willingly give back anything. They would rather go down in flames than capitulate. That will be their downfall. There are some amazingly smart and good people in San Pedro who should be brought in to do what needs to be done, but, it will never happen. The powers in the Port are afraid to listen, afraid to let outsiders in, and so they continue to sing while the ships sink...

“cracker-barrel philosopher”

Since: Jan 08

Wilmington/Carson/San Pedro

#15 Oct 24, 2009
Hong Kong to Prince Rupert 5286 nautical miles.
Hong Kong to L.A. 6380 nautical miles.

The expansion plan for Prince Rupert is equivalent to the size of Rotterdam today. If the same technology is used, an automated port would only require a few operators at control stations and mechanics/electricians to maintain the equipment. Virtually all of the increased container traffic would go in and out of the port on rail since there is hardly any local demand.

Quoting from The Free Harbor Contest (1899)(p. 22), a book about the choice of L.A. for a West Coast port for trade with the Pacific Region, "when the cotton of Texas, grown in latitude 30 deg., is carried north to latitude 47 deg.- a matter of 2000 miles as the railroad runs - subsequently to be delivered at Hong-Kong, latitude 23 deg., it is a paradox that must someday be abolished. By all the laws of logic and good business sense, cotton should seek its outlet to the Pacific at the nearest practical point."

The L.A. Port officials and the politicians have their work cut out for them. Hopefully, if the northern stuff is successful, by the time it comes on line the size of the Pacific trade will have increased to make the increase up there equivalent only to the surplus trade that would have been coming in to LA/LB by then.
jlh

Cincinnati, OH

#16 Oct 24, 2009
The economy will bounce back. Government spending created many jobs in the Great Depression, Hoover Dam for example. Some paint that as socialism, others as a wise public investment -- saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
StayAtHomeMom

Long Beach, CA

#17 Oct 24, 2009
I'll be watching this one !!!!!!!!
no kool aid for me

Sun City, CA

#18 Oct 24, 2009
jlh wrote:
The economy will bounce back. Government spending created many jobs in the Great Depression, Hoover Dam for example. Some paint that as socialism, others as a wise public investment -- saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
Check your history. Yes, the Government funded the Hoover Dam project. A group individuals formed the 'six companies' and did the work. The money was backed by the Feds as a loan which was repaid plus interest. It was paid back because the Hoover dam is a money maker, not an obama giveaway designed to suck money from the People who earned it and wasted on the ones who didn't. Socialism does not work. Capitalism does.
Paul

AOL

#19 Oct 24, 2009
The Ports of LA and Long Beach are the biggest polluters. The "Diesel Death Zone" is no joke. The "Green Port" is a start, but we know that the pollution is going up with sensless Port expansion. Three days off a passage is huge. It is impossible for the US to make that up without tarrifs and fees on our largst trading partner. What to do? First, like the rail industry that had five crew to each train, the Ports need to come to a modern fact. Automate where possible. The rails did it painlessly with attrition. There may not be time for that, but consessions may have to be made. Also, drug and alcohol use is a no no. Do strict drug testing, that will eliminate some right away. Then address the pollution. It's the ships stupid. Yes, there are some highly advertised improvements, but retrofit the ships. Cold ironing and other things that the Canadian Ports will have anyhow, with the new building, needs to be done Port wide here. There has to be a solution other than blindly destroying the health of many, and moving at a snails pace on the pollution issue while expanding for freight that may not be there.
Nader Raider

Irvine, CA

#20 Oct 24, 2009
The Ports of L.A. and Long Beach should be restored to their orginal form and native habitat. Let it return to marshes and wetlands, and let the migrating waterfowl flourish once more. Give the Native Americans back their land.
Stop subsidizing the shipping magnaters of Taiwan, China, Denmark and Japan.
Bert

Garden Grove, CA

#21 Oct 24, 2009
StayAtHomeMom wrote:
I'll be watching this one !!!!!!!!
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