Man who fought monarchy oath dies wit...

Man who fought monarchy oath dies without becoming a Canadian

There are 10 comments on the The Hamilton Spectator story from Oct 4, 2012, titled Man who fought monarchy oath dies without becoming a Canadian. In it, The Hamilton Spectator reports that:

Human rights lawyer Charles Roach, who refused to take the oath of citizenship because of his opposition to the monarchy, has died with his decades-long dream of becoming a Canadian unfulfilled.

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awake

Toronto, Canada

#1 Oct 4, 2012
kanu

Mississauga, Canada

#2 Oct 6, 2012
What so big deal in that. A person comes to Canada by his choice it is not Canada is calling you to come to Canada.When a person apply s to come to Canada That time he knows what are the law here.What is background here. The person who said he does not like Queen it's just like saying he does not like winter.When the person comes to Canada he has to fallow Canadian law. People know very well that Canada is cold country,it is a Christian country but respects other religion and it is Queen's country.So the person who come's here he has no right to say that he does not like queen,or my religion does not allow this or that.
In the end I will say from the "Astrix Comic book When you are in Rome act like a Roman"
just a guy

Richmond Hill, Canada

#3 Oct 8, 2012
kanu wrote:
What so big deal in that. A person comes to Canada by his choice it is not Canada is calling you to come to Canada.When a person apply s to come to Canada That time he knows what are the law here.What is background here. The person who said he does not like Queen it's just like saying he does not like winter.When the person comes to Canada he has to fallow Canadian law. People know very well that Canada is cold country,it is a Christian country but respects other religion and it is Queen's country.So the person who come's here he has no right to say that he does not like queen,or my religion does not allow this or that.
In the end I will say from the "Astrix Comic book When you are in Rome act like a Roman"
You could make the same argument about a person who settled in South Africa during Apatheid and complained about racism.

Your argument is totally flawed and illogical.
just a guy

Richmond Hill, Canada

#4 Oct 8, 2012
The oath of Canadians should be to loyal to the people and territorial integrity of Canada and the rights and duties that go along.

Queen belongs to England. England is not Canada and Canada is not England. England for Engligh and Canada for Canadians...

Canadians are democratic and sovereign people. Oath pledging loyalty to British royal family has no meaning in a polity in which people of many different nations of earth have come together a forge a new national identity following democratic principles, the truest expression of which is republicanism.

It is time for Canada to become a proud Republic like our proud southern neighbour.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#5 Oct 8, 2012
All I wanna know is how this fucker managed to practice law in this country without being a citizen!!
As for the oath of citizenship, Canada is what Canada is, if someone doesn't like the oath then they go back home. There's no good reason to give them PR status at that point.
just a guy

Richmond Hill, Canada

#6 Oct 8, 2012
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
All I wanna know is how this fucker managed to practice law in this country without being a citizen!!
As for the oath of citizenship, Canada is what Canada is, if someone doesn't like the oath then they go back home.
Precisely, why din't the Brits head home when they din't like the First Nation oaths and claims back when all was fair in love and war...
just a guy

Richmond Hill, Canada

#7 Oct 8, 2012
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
As for the oath of citizenship, Canada is what Canada is, if someone doesn't like the oath then they go back home.
Like Botha ranting South Africa is what South Africa is in those ole days...colored folks don't come here.

I think there is a room for reopening the debate given the following observation in the same article:

"He wanted Canada to follow Australia, a Commonwealth country that amended its citizenship oath in the 1990s by replacing its promise to the monarchy with a pledge of loyalty to “Australia and its people.”

If Aussies can do it, why not the Canucks?

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#8 Oct 8, 2012
just a guy wrote:
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Precisely, why din't the Brits head home when they din't like the First Nation oaths and claims back when all was fair in love and war...
The FN's wanted the Brits to swear an oath? To whom exactly? Cite your source(s) please.

just a guy

Richmond Hill, Canada

#9 Oct 8, 2012
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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The FN's wanted the Brits to swear an oath? To whom exactly? Cite your source(s) please.
C'mon , lets not play games here. Brits showed no respect to their culture and territorial claims and you know it.

Brits went ahead and challenged them in most barbaric manner and supplanted their culture and authority with their own. First Nations probably told Brits to go back to England as well.

This deceased gentleman was doing the same, i.e. questioning the authority of an antiquated system which in many parts of the world was synonymous with oppression and exploitation. The only difference is that he was doing that in a lot more civilized manner operating within the bounds of Canada's legal framework. You cannot brush his contributions aside like this.

For somebody whose forefathers may have suffered racism, transporation and indentured labour, it is a cruel joke on them to pledge loyalty to a system that may have perpetrated them. Would Jews swear loyalty to modern representative of Third Reich, however nominal, watered down, benign or purely ceremonial it may have been rendered?

All the poor guy was asking for what Aussies have already asked and gained in Australia and Americans did away with over two centuries ago. He was not asking for moon. He was not anything illegal .

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#10 Oct 8, 2012
just a guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Like Botha ranting South Africa is what South Africa is in those ole days...colored folks don't come here.
I think there is a room for reopening the debate given the following observation in the same article:
"He wanted Canada to follow Australia, a Commonwealth country that amended its citizenship oath in the 1990s by replacing its promise to the monarchy with a pledge of loyalty to “Australia and its people.”
If Aussies can do it, why not the Canucks?
Cuz we're not Aussies.
Here is the oath that is sworn:
"I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Notice it says QUEEN OF CANADA? Queen Elizabeth II is the titular head of state of Canada. In that role, she has nothing to do with the UK. The oath in NO WAY swears any allegiance to BRITISH interests in the UK or elsewhere.
This is the same setup with the Church of England. The Queen is the head of the church, but only in a symbolic way. She is merely a figurehead and does not actually rule the Church. Hell, she doesn't even rule England anymore.
The ONLY time the Queen can intervene in Canadian affairs is when she is directly requested by Parliament to do so. Which as far as I know has only happened twice in my 45 years.

Fear not though, there is serious talk of eliminating the monarchy portion of the oath after the Queen passes away.
Personally, I think it's a pointless tradition myself, BUT, I'm sure I follow a tradition or two that others feel are just as pointless.
The oath is what it is. It will change if and when the time comes.
Until then, people wishing to become citizens will have to recite the oath in its current format.

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